Colonial Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 I've been doing a reasonably thorough amassing of live recordings, to the point where I am now double/triple checking the various listings of gigs including the official timeline on the site. The latter has a few errors, which struck me as odd. I don't have examples handy -- I could dig them up -- but my question is: is there any consensus on a definitive listing of gigs (accepting that a few will always be rumoured/disputed), and if so where can it be found? Apologies if this has already been addressed elsewhere on the site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatOne Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 There are a handful of shows that are dated wrong. Majority of wrong dates would primarily be 1968-1969 because that era was poorly documented. This is a really great list that shows confirmed and canceled dates - http://www.ledzeppelin-database.com/geekbaseweb/Datelistpage.aspx?sort=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonial Posted February 22, 2016 Author Share Posted February 22, 2016 Thanks! I'll have a look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatOne Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 There is a show I believe after 1970 that is a southern state that is confused with a New York show, but not sure of the scoop of it or officially confirmed it was a New York show or just speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 The official timeline is the definitive source for me. Please share any errors you think you have encountered for prompt resolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonial Posted February 23, 2016 Author Share Posted February 23, 2016 1 hour ago, SteveAJones said: The official timeline is the definitive source for me. Please share any errors you think you have encountered for prompt resolution. Thanks, will do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonial Posted February 23, 2016 Author Share Posted February 23, 2016 I've had a look through the early dates and for the most part I guess what I was seeing is that a number of the unconfirmed shows (or unlisted shows) on the official timeline are listed as confirmed on other sites such as the one above. Examples being 1969.05.03 (The Locarno, Cardiff), or 1969.08.06 (Sacramento), though the documentary proof isn't that great and I assume these have been discussed elsewhere. Also realized I was misled by an error on the "Checkpoint Charlie" bootleg of 1970.07.19, as it reproduces the poster stating the concert was on the 12th. I assume this was postponed and/or a misprint. One alleged gig that does puzzle me is during their early run at the Whisky in the first week of January 1969. The posters say Jan 2-5, but the confirmed gigs are the 2nd, 4th and 5th. Alice Cooper who shared the bill recalls that Zeppelin had to leave after the 5th because one of their members was ill. Not sure that makes sense, as the posters said the end of the run was the 5th... but.... what evidence is there that they DIDN'T play four nights straight, and thus on 1969.01.03? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonial Posted February 23, 2016 Author Share Posted February 23, 2016 Also - there are quite a few unconfirmed shows on e.g. the above linked list, but only a few of these are listed on the official timeline. On what basis are unconfirmed shows listed? And can I just say I dig whoever has done all of this archival work? Fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators sam_webmaster Posted February 23, 2016 Administrators Share Posted February 23, 2016 5 hours ago, Colonial said: I've had a look through the early dates and for the most part I guess what I was seeing is that a number of the unconfirmed shows (or unlisted shows) on the official timeline are listed as confirmed on other sites such as the one above. Examples being 1969.05.03 (The Locarno, Cardiff), or 1969.08.06 (Sacramento), though the documentary proof isn't that great and I assume these have been discussed elsewhere. Also realized I was misled by an error on the "Checkpoint Charlie" bootleg of 1970.07.19, as it reproduces the poster stating the concert was on the 12th. I assume this was postponed and/or a misprint. One alleged gig that does puzzle me is during their early run at the Whisky in the first week of January 1969. The posters say Jan 2-5, but the confirmed gigs are the 2nd, 4th and 5th. Alice Cooper who shared the bill recalls that Zeppelin had to leave after the 5th because one of their members was ill. Not sure that makes sense, as the posters said the end of the run was the 5th... but.... what evidence is there that they DIDN'T play four nights straight, and thus on 1969.01.03? The itinerary is accumulated from all kinds of sources including: ads, tickets, contracts, travel documents, internal band memos, press, reviews and input from fans & collectors. There's a large collection of press & clippings in the archives, as well as my own stuff and fan submitted material. (Lots more that I'm still sorting through for posting on the site). Whenever possible, I've asked members of the band for confirmation about shows in question, if they happen to recall anything. Whisky, Jan 3rd: JP was ill during these shows and as a result apparently didn't do all the dates, which he confirmed. Jan. 3 was determined as the cancelled date. -"Cardiff 1969": This show occurred on http://www.ledzeppelin.com/show/april-2-1969 -"Aug. 6, 1969 Sacramento": I'd have to double check, but it was determined that date is incorrect. As for other unconfirmed shows, we've kept some listed on the Timeline as "unconfirmed", where there is some evidence of a show being booked, but unclear if it actually happened. There's some early dates that have circulated for decades that are just incorrect or made up information and we haven't listed those. It's a perpetual work-in-progress and there's always new information that surfaces which helps fine tune the accuracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonial Posted February 23, 2016 Author Share Posted February 23, 2016 4 hours ago, sam_webmaster said: The itinerary is accumulated from all kinds of sources including: ads, tickets, contracts, travel documents, internal band memos, press, reviews and input from fans & collectors. There's a large collection of press & clippings in the archives, as well as my own stuff and fan submitted material. (Lots more that I'm still sorting through for posting on the site). Whenever possible, I've asked members of the band for confirmation about shows in question, if they happen to recall anything. Whisky, Jan 3rd: JP was ill during these shows and as a result apparently didn't do all the dates, which he confirmed. Jan. 3 was determined as the cancelled date. -"Cardiff 1969": This show occurred on http://www.ledzeppelin.com/show/april-2-1969 -"Aug. 6, 1969 Sacramento": I'd have to double check, but it was determined that date is incorrect. As for other unconfirmed shows, we've kept some listed on the Timeline as "unconfirmed", where there is some evidence of a show being booked, but unclear if it actually happened. There's some early dates that have circulated for decades that are just incorrect or made up information and we haven't listed those. It's a perpetual work-in-progress and there's always new information that surfaces which helps fine tune the accuracy. Thanks very much for all this. It's a wonderful resource and I appreciate the care that's gone into the curation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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