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  1. My Critique of the bonus photos in the 2-CD package. And please, if you don't care one way or the other about these photos, just pass this post by....

    The Booklet:

    Page 3 has the classic picture of the band before the LA premiere of TSRTS. For the most part, I am disappointed with the photos chosen, considering the amount of photos taken in 1977. The RP on p.4 has his arm rising, hiding his face. Bonzo on p.5 with a baseball cap on. Really?? The best and classic pictures of Bonzo from the '77 tour were with the bowler hat on. Jimmy, on p.5 - what the hell is this revisionist photo?? The hat has been airbrushed. Here's the original as posted on Jimmy's site:

    1977_04-07_OnThisDay_LedZeppelin_Chicago

    But even with the original photo, the classic photos of Jimmy from the '77 tour are with the white dragon suit.

    P. 6-7 - Seem blurry and color altered. Like this is what I was wanting.

    P. 10-11-12-13 - Just more of the sometimes out of focus and color treatments I don't like. How about one of Jimmy playing the bow in the green laser pyramid...

    The CD sleeve - Why is the live picture so grainy? Does Bob Gruen take anything but grainy pictures??

    The Pennie Smith one from the rehearsals is rare, but it also appears grainy and out of focus.

  2. On 1/24/2019 at 7:41 AM, NewLZfan said:

    Hi everyone,

    I'm new to the forum, so apologies if this topic has already been beaten to death.  

    I just wanted to pass along my own story of how I just became a LZ fan, since I think it might have some more general significance.  If you had told me a month ago that I wasn't a fan of the band, I would have said no, that's not really true, I like LZ a lot, and know a lot of their music.  But the reason I would have said that is because I'm an American in my late 50s, which means I went to high school in the mid-70s with a lot of big LZ fans, and that I've spent the last 30+ years being bombarded by the classic rock radio format. 

    So actually my knowledge of the band consisted of the 15 LZ songs that get played to death on classic rock radio stations, plus maybe three others that I happen to have run into one way or another that I thought were great -- Since I've Been Loving You, Ten Years Gone, and Tangerine.  Now to be fair that adds up to about a quarter of the band's studio album output, so that's a solid chunk of their officially released music.  (LZ is THE most played band on the classic rock radio format).

    What I've discovered over the last few weeks is that I didn't actually know the band's music at all.  I had an experience on New Year's Eve that led me to start digging into LZ's entire official catalogue (haven't heard any boots yet, although I'm really hoping to get some direction in that regard!).

    What I found, of course, is that a huge amount of the band's very best music is not something you're ever going to hear on the radio, at least not in the USA.

    Here are five songs that I've just discovered in the last couple of weeks that have totally blown me away:

    In My Time of Dying

    The Rover

    No Quarter

    Achilles Last Stand

    Into the Light

    Now I'm sure to real fans it must seem completely ridiculous that somebody could have thought of themselves as a fan of the band but didn't know these songs at all (I had heard NQ maybe a couple of times at some point, but I think I literally had never heard a note of any of the others -- and I'm a nearly 60 year old guy who thinks of himself as a fairly big rock music fan!).

    And that brings me to my main point, which is that the classic rock radio format is particularly bad for Led Zeppelin -- and for an ironic reason, which is that LZ gets played so much on the radio!  But of course the problem is that it's always the same dozen or so songs, that have been played completely to death, to the point where somebody like me could think that he "knew" LZ as a band, when actually I didn't have the first clue about how incredible they actually are.

    Anyway, I just wanted to express how strange it feels for somebody who has listened to Stairway to Heaven, Rock and Roll, Black Dog, Kashmir etc. hundreds of times to realize that he didn't actually know Led Zeppelin's music hardly at all, and how great it is to really discover it so late in the game as it were. 

     

    I use great LZ songs that *were not* on the Mothership, or Early Days / Later Days to judge if someone that claims to be a heavy LZ fan, is or isn't.

  3. Young people in liberal states use more cannabis, but have lower rates of dependence

    https://www.theverge.com/2019/1/24/18196003/marijuana-legalization-politics-health-liberal-conservative

    Young people living in liberal states consume more marijuana, but have lower rates of marijuana dependence, according to a new study from Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health. Crucially, this finding is true regardless of whether the state legalized medical marijuana, suggesting that the broader political climate affects how people use the drug. It also serves as a reminder that the effects of legalization will look different in different states.

    In general, people in both liberal and conservative states are consuming more marijuana. In a span of about eight years, ending in 2011, the percentage of people ages 18 to 25 living in liberal states consuming cannabis grew from 33 percent to about 37 percent. In contrast, the numbers for the same age group in conservative states went from about 25 percent to 26 percent.

    Similarly, fewer people in both liberal and conservative states are struggling with cannabis use disorder. People with CUD experience withdrawal symptoms like mood and sleep problems if they don’t consume cannabis for a while, and can’t stop using it even if it negatively impacts their life. The rates of CUD fell to 17 percent from 20 percent in liberal states. However, CUD rates only fell to 18 percent from 22 percent in conservative states despite fewer people in conservative states using marijuana to begin with.

  4. From the aspect of being in the audience, I enjoyed the Robert of 75 even more than the Robert of 1977. This takes all thing into consideration, as a whole. I just like the way Robert moved around in 75 better than 77. I don't dislike 77 Robert. I just enjoyed the visual 75 Robert better. Probably has something to do with D&C, which I'm partial to over ALS.

  5. On 12/29/2018 at 9:04 AM, SteveAJones said:

    MR. JIMMY Led Zeppelin Revival Show in Japan December 21st 2018 at EX Theater Roppongi Tokyo. Reviving the Last US tour of Led Zeppelin 1977 [Listen To This Eddie]. ---Filmed and edited by KIKUCHI Film Works

    "Comments are Disabled for the Video"...

    1. The guitarist should have done more blow before the show.

    2. I thought Jimmy's shades were rose-colored.

    3. Nice touch having Tommy Chong sit in on drums. ☺️

  6. Sorry, but STH was never that special to me, on record, or live. STH was Never the highlight of any Zeppelin concert I saw 71-77. I can't be bothered listening to versions of a song that I don't care much for. There's an extra dimension to being there, at a Led Zeppelin concert, in person, that cannot be recorded on tape or film. The sound recorded on boots and soundboards is only part of the equation. I'll leave it to you guys to pick over and rate the boots and soundboards.

  7. On 1/1/2019 at 2:49 PM, JohnOsbourne said:

    Well, unfortunately audio-only boots are the only way the vast majority of Zep fans are going to be able to experience the '77 band, and on this count, the abundance of shows reveal a band whose technical prowess was a shell of the glory years of '71-73, and even far weaker than the '75 tour with it's many problems.  (The Texas shows you mention are a case in point, Page's playing is just horrid.)  It's revealing that so many '77 aficionados have to refer to the non-aural aspects of those shows to make the case for '77.  No doubt the '77 shows were an impressive visual experience (except for Page's emaciation), and great set list, too, but the actual playing was really poor.

    Clearly, JohnOsbourne, you and I have a different reality on what was. I have wonderful memories from 1977, and you have boots to mull over. But hey, that's good, you can live in your world, and I'll live in my  memories. 📸

  8. On 12/29/2018 at 1:11 AM, rm2551 said:

    The Listen to this Eddie remaster really brings out how powerful and awesome this moment is. It must have been life changing to have attended the better '77 concerts.

    Yes, it was mind-blowing. People can poo-poo the '77 Tour as a whole all they want (based on some shows). But the Houston and the Ft. Worth shows in May of that year were top notch shows to experience live. My report of the '77 US Tour is a Good One. That will never change. Boots, good or otherwise, don't take in account the time-space continuum that takes place being there a Led Zeppelin concert. Hence some people speak so highly of the Knebworth and Earl's Court shows, because there's audio and video. But not having been at either, I don't rate Knebworth or EC as highly as Houston or Ft.Worth. But, I'd probably have a different opinion if I'd been in the audience.

    The best and most powerful version of Kashmir post 1980 was the 2007 O2 performance, imo.

     

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