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On 10/12/2022 at 6:37 AM, 1975NQ said:When discussing live performances of Led Zeppelin, the year 1973 is the one most likely considered their musical peak. And when discussing 1973, you have to talk about "Dazed and Confused". This is the year this song peaked, and really any version from this year is enjoyable. I decided to make a list of my 14 favorite performances of this song, listening to all available shows from the first 7 months (January - July) of the year. It took about 7 months to put together.While the below performances are my own favorites, you can't go wrong with any of them. Some people may have Berlin, Preston, or New Orleans as their own favorite (all excellent btw). It's all subjective.I can hear magic and inspiration in the below performances which is what inspired me to create this list.
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1. NYC, 7.27.73 - During the band's final 3 nights of the July tour, they famously filmed all 3 shows at Madison Square Garden. This electric performance takes place on the first of those 3 nights. They were coming off of a 2 day break and were well-rested. The fatigue that can be heard at the end of the Pittsburgh show on the 24th is gone (it would return the next night on the 28th); what we have here is Jimmy Page and Led Zeppelin at the peak of their powers. They had 3 nights to put down the perfect performance for "Dazed and Confused", the centerpiece of the show and movie, and were able to make it happen on the very first night. Besides Page putting in one of the finest performances in rock history, Robert Plant sounds incredible. He's a lion roaring in the golden dawn morning. He's Apollo, bringing holy light to his flock, his pangendered, sun-dappled vocals echoing across the Garden. There's an alchemy at work with all 4 band members that can be seen, felt and heard.2. Essen, March 22nd - On the subject of balance, a famous mystic once wrote "Balance every thought with its opposition. Because the marriage of them is the destruction of illusion." He was essentially paraphrasing Jung who believed true individuation/awakening could only be achieved through integrating our shadow self with our ego self (Jung himself was following ancient Eastern thought with this philosophy). There's a time for restraint and temperance, and a time for wild abandon. With this near perfect rendition, Page and the band strike a balance between the two. From the opening notes through the bow solo, there is restraint - the creative fire is funneled carefully into artful musicianship. Once the second solo begins, Page allows the fire to slowly build into a creative inferno and consume him. He becomes one with it. The band is locked in with him, and they achieve a level of play ordinarily beyond their own capability. The result is a truly magical performance that we are lucky enough to have access to. Page hints at "Train Kept A 'Rollin" in the second solo, and the outro is best left undescribed - better to just have a listen.3. Seattle, July 17th - "Walk don't run" could be considered the theme for this unbelievable performance. The tempo is just a touch slower here, and it feels like Page and the band are intentionally slowing things down a fraction to make sure they get everything just right. Sometimes patience is the key ingredient when manifesting artistic success, and every facet of this performance feels like that - art. From the opening notes through to the mind-blowing outro, this is as good as Zeppelin got on a stage.4. Bradford, January 18th - Here we have an absolutely blistering performance that just zips by - it's over before you know it. It's been a favorite for many years and has always sounded perfect to my ears. Both Page and Bonham are in peak form and are playing like they're psychically joined, raving in twin rapture, each pushing the other forward, faster and farther, reflecting off each others musical direction like two rainbows reflecting off the sun. The outro is almost too intense, as their twofold Oneness spirals chords and rhythms directly into the collective brain and spine of the crowd below. Plant chants "do what you want". He almost sounds like he's performing an incantation to complete a spell.5. Stoke, January 15th - Another stunning performance from the UK winter tour. While much well-deserved praise has been given to the March European shows, it should be noted that both Page and Bonham were playing insanely well on this tour, particularly in January. To my ears, the playing is as hot - or even hotter - than any other tour. The energy is palpable. Bonzo is playing with fire and frenzy, and Jimmy is razor-sharp. Bonzo shouts "nice one!" after the song's finale, and Robert repeats it in agreement.6. Detroit, July 13th - There are some flubs here and there, and Page gets lost in the transition piece of a couple of sections, but he and the band more than make up for it with red-hot, dynamic playing. Jimmy Page is absolutely bursting with creative energy here. The bow section is one of the best I've heard, and there is a strong sense of drama throughout the entire performance - light and shade at its best. Plant sounds fantastic and is giving it his all. While the performance doesn't flow as perfectly as the night before, the peaks are sublime. This cinematic listen is like watching a movie about sun gods reveling in their power and showering light down onto the mortals below.7. Detroit, 7.12.73 - This is as good as it gets. I love every second of Jimmy's playing on this version and usually have a huge smile on my face when listening. Lucky Detroit fans. It's too bad Robert wasn't in better voice for the San Fran section (which is played beautifully), but you can't have everything. Page is playing with savage ferocity. The solos are unbelievably fast - tangled groves of sonic pandemonium that snare the listener. They attack and intoxicate spirit and soul, body and brain. During the Mars section, Page becomes Mars himself and seems to be drawing fire up from the inner part of the earth, raining it down on the audience who welcome the devastation with euphoria, their minds folding up like flowers at dusk. In the outro, he sounds like he's guiding lightning by hand. This is Page tapping into his full potential, mining creative energy and conforming it to his will - and bringing the whole band with him. They are not only along for the ride but active participants - 4 stars in the creation of a transcendent, transformative performance.8. Milwaukee, 7.10.73 - "Holy Christ!" This is the taper's exclamation after an amazing bow solo, and it succinctly sums up this white-hot version, lead by an unstoppable Page. Plant himself is in fantastic form and is with Page every step of the way. Tonight, he's a lissome emissary of Venus, radiating passion and valor in his singing. During the San Fran section, his twilight, watery vocals are a panacea for the 1973 audience, washing away all troubles of gas prices and recessions. The entire performance is visceral and heart-racing. It doesn't let up for a single minute until the explosive finale. No wonder they were so tired by the time they reached the Garden! You can't sustain this level of creative and physical intensity indefinitely.9. St. Paul, July 9th - On this night, Page and the band seem to pull this performance from the dark waters of the subconscious; Sometimes you gotta howl at the moon. It's a wild, exploratory version that is definitely more loose than tight - and a hugely enjoyable listen. Page is playing at an incredibly high level here.. He and Bonham are playing much more loose and letting go a bit, with fantastic results. Plant feels the spirit as well and puts in an equally revelrous performance.Whatever they summoned up this night, it's fantastically unique and a one-of-a-kind performance, start to finish.10. Vienna, March 16th - Undeniable is the word that comes to mind when I listen to this performance. There's a timelessness to it that makes it seem like it's always been there and is "just so". There is a purity of purpose at work that begins with Jimmy Page, and it feels like the universe is helping him along here, guiding his movements and leading him to success. The whole band is with him, almost as if they sense this precise moment in time has a certain "quality" to it.11. Hamburg, March 21st - When you have Page and Bonham playing with this kind of conjoined rapture, each plugged into the others corybantic rhythms like twin whirlpool modons dancing across the sea, you get one of the most unique versions of this song ever played. Bonzo is a great beast here, playing with vitriol. It's his world on this lunar night, and we're all just visitors taking in the scenery. A triumphant, epic performance that deserves all the praise it gets.12. Oxford, January 7th - In this performance, we have an unbelievable Bonzo playing with military crispness, and there's an intense, heavy lead-in to the bow section. Plant's voice is a bit strained so he chooses a subdued approach, making the San Fran section sound woeful and ominous - and also adding perfectly spooky vocals during the bow section. The descending riff from "In the Light" is played in the outro. It suits the song perfectly, giving it a feeling of closure as well as actual descension - hidden truths, power, energy revealed to all and revelled in. In recent years, connections have been explored between what Jung called "the collective unconscious" and God, various areas of mysticism, and ancient texts. Descending into the unknown is often associated with darkness, but there can be many positives to exploring hidden worlds and dreaming of things beyond believing.13. Pittsburgh, July 24th - Listen closely, and you can hear, ever so slightly, mental and physical fatigue creeping into Page's performance by the time they get to Dazed on this night, which is near the end of the tour. He's not playing with quite the inspired ferocity he was at the Detroit shows or St. Paul earlier in the month. However, he's a professional and is playing with an insane amount of focus and artful temperance with very few flubs. Plant has a few cracks in the opening verses but after that puts in a phenomenal performance. The outro in particular is incredible and has Page hinting at "Train Kept a Rollin'". At the end of this near perfect performance, Plant says "I think this night is gonna be one of the good ones."14. Chicago, 7.7.73 - This night's version is similar to St. Paul, with Page once again having a rendezvous with Luna. The playing is loose (but tight) and festive,with Page keeping things open. He's tapping into his anima, the midnight pool of the mind, creating a panorama of playful, silvery phrases that result in a fun and unique version with magnetic personality to spare. Page is relaxed but also in complete control, an eagle that finds its target naturally and with ease - the aim of Artemis musically invoked.T
There are several performances that are equal to those on the list but were excluded from consideration for various reasons.Notable exclusions:Crowd interference - BostonAudio - Aberdeen, Paris 4/1, BaltimoreIncomplete - Liverpool, Vancouver, ProvidenceHey man, I know I’ve responded to this thread, but damn, just reread the 7/27 post. That shit is on point. Robert is crushing it! Jimmy is straight possessed, JPJ is just doing his thing and is the consummate professional without boasting or bragging. John is absolutely killing it. The three frontmen are without a doubt pushing and just creating something that no band had ever achieved. Really what I wanted to say, and also second what a few others have said, your description is spot on. I have to say, I prefer this voice from Robert, the tone and ferocious playing from the three musicians is simply unmatched/unbelievable.
1975-NQ, what an amazing illustration and description you have given! Dope!
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I would also suggest that people read and google “ why does no one talk about who Clapton stole from”. You will be able to read many blues musicians who are far less than kind and have many opinions on the subject. Again, I love Eric. He has some cool music. It is not necessarily my taste, I would never diminish or disrespect his achievements and all that he has created. I am simply bringing that up because it is easy and has been easy to say that Zeppelin lifted music. I believe some people missed the point. I believe that Jimmy particularly like to pay respect, and would take a very small sample to say thank you, and then create something completely original and something that had nothing to do with who and what he was paying homage too. Just my thoughts.
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On 12/30/2022 at 8:14 AM, z1inspector said:
I see , thanks & i liked your last paragraph the most & its understandable since it wasnt jimmy who actually played it. & it is very well done , NO DOUBT ,
i LOVE the riff
And to be clear , im SURE they put ALOT OF TIME & WORK into what they came up with
Back to your last paragraph , i liked or have no prob with it
EXCEPT
for the general attitude part .
👉🏼the general attitude IS where i see page! if clapton or anyone else heard pagey tinkering , & made a point to remember what he herd
👉🏼would be 1 kinda how it went
AND 2 MAINLY the “general attitude.”
thats all that prob could be lifted if one was just trying to make a mental note for the moment untill one could break away & find a better way to store it.
& Thats what i believe likely happened.
Jimmys would have been different in his own way & it WOULDNT been aiming for a love song as they say theirs wasnt either, but plant could have turned it into somthing bigger (and somehow STILL put the word “LOVE “ in there haha hahaha only he could get away with it sounding like it fits)
. But i dont know how u could top likey the biggest love song ON EARTH! Lol rite? Its truely amazing the way it is. But ZEP would have Zeppified it like only Zep can.
Anyway ....still im sure they had a hard time getting that attitude to transfer
however IT SURE came across well!
ALOT of attitude!
& i dont feel that Very attitude was in them naturally .
However THATS Pageys attitude
ALL THE WAY , why i feel its a Jimmy Page “type” composition overall
👉🏼 maybe is a better way for me to have made my initial accusation.👈🏼
thnx for helping me express what i really ment.
I can appreciate your thoughts/opinions. Duane, Eric, Jeff, Jimmy, and Jimi are all absolutely out of this world amazing guitarist. Who we like all comes down to personal preference really. I have always felt that Jimmy and Zeppelin have always taken way to much shit in terms of what was supposedly lifted/borrowed. You can listen to several songs that Jeff was inspired from, and made into his own. Which Mr. Beck was a 1 of a kind amazing, gifted, hardworking, brilliant guitarist. Eric, also was inspired by many of the older/Blues generation and borrowed and created from there. Same for Jimi and Duane.
I have a couple of things to say, Jimmy does not get nearly the credit he should be given in a few areas. Certainly as a producer, writer, and the over all sound and imagery that he wanted to and did convey with his band. As a result of creating these huge part atmospheres in the middle and late 1970’s and maybe being the highest guy in the room and building Jimmy had a few off nights. I have listened to as many bootleg recordings and officially live releases of Jeff and Eric, and Jimi as I believe are available, and I think something that doesn’t get talked about is how much Jimmy tried to stretch, and how far out he went to create something. I can’t think of anyone other guitarist or musician who was on the edge, pushing, and trying to innovate on a nightly basis as Mr. Page.
I have read on other forums, people opinions of him in his later years with Zeppelin and his sticky fingers, or whatever it is. There is not another guitarist who tried what he was trying, no one wrote and created the absolute killers that Pagey created. His list is monumental. Certainly Eric, Hendrix, Duane, and Beck created some absolute masterpieces. Jimmy was doing it on the riff, the solo, the rhythm, and was all by himself on stage trying to complete his guitar army as a one man show.He did not have a rhythm/ back up guitarist. He did happen to have maybe the greatest musician in all of music in JPJ. That was a real bonus to say the least. Let’s not forget that at the Arms concerts others were playing their hits, Jimmy was playing Chopin. He was constantly pushing the envelope, constantly challenging himself. If we just look at those concerts alone they are incredible. When he was jamming with Eric, and Jeff on their songs, specifically Eric, he was absolutely crushing those riffs, and when it was his turn to solo, from my perspective he destroys and sounds different/very different than the others that he was playing with. I do have to admit that his style, his vulnerability, his ability and music touches me more than those others.
If we are simply going off of what his body of work is compared to all of the others, I would argue that it isn’t even close. And that is not to take away from anyone else. I have lots of live Hendrix, Clapton, and have some early 70’s to mid 70’s Beck. They would all have nights that were less than stellar.
My thoughts are that Jimmy was creating and developing as a studio, and live guitarist in the 60’s through the late 70’s that was simply beyond his contemporaries. Others can feel differently. That’s okay. I would say let’s look at all the monsters that Page created and stack them up commercially, and see where they all land. People can say Hendrix was the best, and I’m totally okay with it. He was out of this world. Beck perhaps had gotten better with practice and age. And he was amazing and such a loss. I would also say that Jimmy from 96-2001 was on fire, and in my opinion while he may have lost some speed, his imagination, his creativity, confidence and an was staggering/blistering. I’m sad that it ended with he and Plant when it did. It’s one of those what could have been.
Lastly, Jimmy as a riff master, writer, arranger, producer, studio, and live musician was and is easily summed up by the people he played with, his fans, and honestly his achievements/accomplishments/
accolades. In my opinion he is the most celebrated, and imitated guitarist on the planet. His electric work, his acoustic acumen is just beyond reproach.
These are just a fan, maybe a struggling guitarist opinion. But I would turn Jimmy onto anyone that was looking to find out who and what a guitar is supposed to sound like, and be played live. His brilliant live moments in my humble meaningless opinion, as well as his stunning studio work is beyond comparison. However, I can see people saying the same thing about Hendrix.
I know I said lastly, but Santana has a great quote about Hendrix, and what Jimmy did to the electric guitar after he took over. I encourage others to find it. It’s amazing. You couldn’t have been a studio musician in those days unless you were balls on. You had to produce then and there. Also, other than 94-96 Jimmy was all by himself and did not have someone to lean on and have to help fill space. It was just Page. Hendrix was alone as well, however, he passed way to soon and his body of work is just not as big. Our beloved James Patrick Page was crushing out on the tiles, while others were trampled underfoot. I know that last part is corny.
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On 11/28/2022 at 3:10 PM, Blaize86 said:
I don’t listen to HTWWW because of the way Robert sounds. There is no soul, no tone, no thickness. What he is doing is compensating his voice and almost going full falsetto which is like a screaming cat at times. I bet us he hates it too. I always felt that Jimmy knew that but left it in.
Imagine singing like that from 1967 thru 1972 at that level even pre Zep. Unless you train your voice daily, it’s going to falter.
I am a singer and I love Robert as a singer. His phrasing, delivery and post 1972 tone I prefer the most.Lots of great thoughts on this topic. There are, as many have said, many reasons his voice changed from, and after 68-72. While certainly viruses have nothing to do with temperature or wet hair, getting on and off temp controlled plains walking into freezing temps in some middle America arena will absolutely affect your voice and performance. Also doing several shows a night in the first 2 years and singing your guts/lungs out had to have had some effect.
The thing for me which I partly agree with you on his voice after 72 and sometimes even do prefer, is his phrasing, technique, choice of delivery.He got better in my opinion on a lot of songs that I don’t think he would have been able to do the same way. For example all of PG that were not left over songs from early albums. I don’t think Trampled would have sounded as good with 68-72 voice, as well as Kashmir, Custard, TYG, In the Light etc. and some performances in 75 when he was healthy and the entire band were on are simply amazing and 77 has some of my favorite Plant versions. By the way, I appreciate all of the members in the band equally and my “ Plant 77 “ name is not very thoughtful. Born in 77 and just put Plant in front.
If we think of Rock Singers of that era, no one had near the range with the exception of maybe Freddy. He was almost operatic in his performance and had an amazing voice. However, the songs do not compare, lyrically or instrumentally in my opinion. Paul Rogers certainly has an amazing Rock voice, but his range is not even close to Robert’s in that time. He wasn’t singing songs with the variety of Zeppelins catalog for sure. We also need to be amazed that the guy has a voice at all anymore. A simple google search of the amount of shows this man has played is pretty staggering. And the songs that he sings even at 73 years young is pretty insane. Not everyone on here will feel the same, but I’m blown away none the less.
Getting back to it, looking at PG, Presence, ITTOD and his solo works there are absolutely versions that I prefer. Even the 73 shows, his gritty-ness for lack of a better word. It was not necessarily full on blow your head off power, but there was a dirtier, perhaps sexier, sometimes squeaky vulnerability about his voice that I prefer. I enjoy any singer that is on the edge, where when they try and hit a specific note and it is not perfect, I love those performances. From the 2003 LZ DVD the IMTOD is maybe my favorite live performance of any song by them all time. From the very start, his confidence, playfulness, down to the Voice on Steroids moment at the end when he and Jimmy are pushing each other to the brink. If I were to play for someone who wasn’t a Zeppelin fan or had not heard any live songs this would be my first pick.
I must say when I listen to As along as I have you from the 27th of April that is just a mind blowing performance by all of them. I also believe the city that they were in would also somehow and sometimes help create that magic that we all get to enjoy. LA, NY, SF New Orleans and many other amazing places in the US and throughout the countries that they played maybe helped get them all up for a show. Not always about the big cities we all.
When I first started to dive deep into the Bootleg world in the early 90’s I did find myself listening to the early shows more, as I have aged and maybe just coming to appreciate the later shows although there are not as many, he still rocked the shit out of it from 73-1980.
I know that this was very long winded, and maybe even sounds a bit like an apologetic rant of his change. But that guy was the only person for the job, and no one could have come close to making Zeppelin sound like they did through their years together. Off topic, that is why I respect them as much as I do, you could not have gone on without any one of them. They were all bursting with talent and all of them were the exact fit for that band and they were all in my opinion the best at their craft. If Jonesy would have left after 73 as very nearly did happen they would have had to pack it in then as well.
I have been without power for 7 days now in the Santa Cruz Mountains, and started with Album 1 and worked my way through Coda. I have moved onto my earliest bootlegs and with the passing of Jeff Beck and my own thoughts on my mortality we are beyond lucky to have had the 12 years that they gave us. Impossible to even think about music without their contributions. Head and shoulders above everyone. -
Rest in Peace Mr. Jeff Beck. I usually am not effected and don’t get all that sad when celebrities pass away. Jeff’s passing has had a different effect on me. The man was so talented, a total character, brilliant at his craft, obviously very close to a few of the members of our favorite band. I honestly feel very sad for his family and his many friends in the industry including James Patrick Page.
Godbless you Jeff, I feel fortunate to have seen him perform, and the music industry lost a Giant. His music and his being will be remembered, and sorely missed. Man, what a fucking blow!
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On 11/23/2022 at 5:16 AM, hummingbird69 said:
It's exactly as I said, trump has no convictions and neither do his kids. I'm sure a good investigator could find some crimes if we have him investigate you and all the people you know too so keep on keepin on because your posts are a much needed source of mirth. Have fun rotting from the head down. BTW nader also claims ties with the clintons.
Trump doesn’t have any convictions yet. But plenty of people in his administration have several, as well as the right wing party that screams that the left are the party of criminals. Funny thing is, poorest states, all red. Worst crime, all red. Most reliant on welfare, all red. Keep talking about the Clintons, if there are any reliable truths and anyone can show proof other than a blow job, I would say throw the book at them. And rotten from the head down. That may be the dumbest shit I’ve ever read. Keep kissing your cousin. Your uncle/dad and mother/aunt are relying on you to keep the family lineage going.
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1 hour ago, SteveAJones said:
The lamestream media provided an inordinate amount of coverage on the gay nightclub shooter's Grandfather and Father, who had nothing whatsoever to do with it, because of their political opinions. When are they going to delve into the family tree of the Walmart shooter?
We should “delve “ into the background of all mass shooters. I did just watch the video of his father and it explains sooo much. That poor bastard didn’t have a chance coming from that family tree. Their tree looks like a totem pole. Which when I think about it, so much of the south, the Midwest has a tree with very few branches. It explains a ton. I recently saw a tweet where a woman from the right is now suggesting that we raise the voting age to 21. I would love to have an IQ test and a history test before people are allowed to vote. Certainly I know that isn’t realistic, but all these crazy bastards who are allowed to vote on either side is a concern.
Getting back to the Rightwimg nut job who tweeted that we should raise the voting age to 21, it is interesting to me that certain groups are never about changing their policies or looking at how they can reach people who do not agree with their thoughts and policies. They automatically want to disenfranchise a certain portion of the population. Says a lot about where they are going and what they think of their own party.
As a side note, the Republican Party has won the popular vote once since 1988. What does that say about our country. Truly interested in your thoughts.
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11 minutes ago, slave to zep said:
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He's the biggest landowner in the U.S. maybe the world.
What would being the biggest landowner in the US, or in the world have to do with anything. I’m not trying to be a jerk/jackass. I’m truly interested in this theory/conspiracy. I have no knowledge of what that would mean, or if it is even true. I know that the right has the conspiracy theory on lock.
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On 11/23/2022 at 2:45 PM, rm2551 said:
Happy Thanksgiving my American friends/nutbags. 👍
Happy Thanksgiving to you as well.
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On 11/22/2022 at 2:07 PM, hummingbird69 said:
LOLROTF! AGAIN!
Where are we going wrong? Are your simple minded little feelings getting hurt. Keep being a Rino! Anyone who still thinks that the Orange fella was and is good for this country are the biggest Rino’s of all. I hope to god he wins the primary for your party. He will get trounced like he has in all the recent elections. Also, from a supposedly grown man? “ LOLROTF! AGAIN”! What fucking grown man would reply that way? Well, perhaps a simpleton? You clearly are. I’m tired of reading you and your little F boy Cry me a River Blue balls posts! Always with some stupid shit to say! Never anything that is remotely something that others can possibly get behind, unless you are a Rino groomer. So I say to you, get some true balls, look deep and find some self respect, stop the cult behavior. There is help for you and your kind.
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On 11/23/2022 at 3:13 AM, Stryder1978 said:
One of the most severe cases of TDS I've seen recently.....please seek professional; help (maybe from Fauci!)
Oh please. I don’t have TDS! And coming from you, who may be an educator I am ashamed and appalled for you. How about this, you seek help. I’m fine. I run a successful business, I have increased our company from 3 people to 19 people and currently I am at the Four Seasons in Maui having a wonderful time. What’s funny is I watched you kiss ass to the woman in the Song Remains The Same Thread. How about this, not one of the band members would agree with your thoughts. “TDS”! You are also laughable. Keep being a Joe Rogan Tool!
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3 minutes ago, Strider said:
"Black Dog" is not the opening song in the movie. "Rock and Roll" is the opening song and was the opening song at all of the 1973 concerts.
After "Rock and Roll", the band segued into "Celebration Day", which is the same one-two punch you hear on the album. Then Jimmy does the "Bring It on Home" riff that leads into "Black Dog", the third song of the night.
In the original movie, they cut "Black Dog" severely short, missing whole sections of verses between the opening verses and the guitar solo.
Thank you as usual Strider. If I may, can you please tell me when we will get an update to your 72 concert update? If you have already done that and I have missed it I apologize.
Thank you in advance. Have a wonderful day.
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Here is just one quick search!
Eleven allies of and advisers to former president Donald Trump have been convicted or pleaded guilty in recent years to various offenses, with their total sentences nearing 30 years of imprisonment.
Former top Trump campaign strategist and White House adviser Stephen K. Bannon is the latest to be headed to prison. After being convicted of contempt of Congress for refusing to testify before the House Jan. 6 committee, he was sentenced Friday to four months in prisonand a $6,500 fine.
As president, Trump also pardoned Bannon for unrelated felony charges related to whether he and others had defrauded donors to the “We Build the Wall” fundraising campaign before that case could be brought to trial. And many Trump aides have avoided serving their sentences thanks to clemency from Trump — which Trump granted to 7 of the 11 allies — or have had their sentences reduced by pleading guilty and/or cutting deals with investigators.George Nader was also sentenced to 10 years in prison for child sex charges. Nader’s crime was unrelated to Trump, but he was an informal adviser to Trump’s campaign, including being wrapped up in some key episodes in the Russia investigation. He came into that role with a rap sheet that included a 1991 child pornography conviction in the United States and a 2003 conviction in the Czech Republic for soliciting sex from underage boys.
Let’s talk about Groomers shall we.
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4 minutes ago, cryingbluerain said:
Don't worry. The Benghazi horror show, classified e-mails on her unsecured personal server, destroying evidence in an FBI investigaion, etc. She would never see a day in jail with our 2 tiered justice system.
I know that Hillary had the courage to testify. I thought your slob king was going to go to the hearings and let everyone know what was what! That piece of shit plead the 5th something like 400 times for his tax fraud case. I do remember him saying that only guilty Mafia members plead the 5th. Also, I’ll pull the clip of when Trump said that Hillary was the “ Best Secretary of State ever”! Give me a few minutes and I’ll post that as well. You and Blue balls and Hummer posting all your nonsense! I know that both of you don’t believe a word of it. You can’t! Because none of it is true. Good try though. I’ll start posting facts while you can cry “ Laptop “! Jerkoff!
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40 minutes ago, hummingbird69 said:
Dont tell me you believe this shit too! Are you kidding me? what's the big omission from that bullshit meme? How Many Convictions? NONE Trumps kids, completely clean like it or not the left has had a microscope up their assholes for the last 6 years and not one piece of actionable dirt or crime has precipitated from any of the investigations into their doings. Now, the very same people who have been telling you about how bad trump and his family are, are telling you don't worry about the obvious crimes seen on the lap top and that the president isn't involved in any of that stuff. AND YOU BELIVE IT!
It's beyond the pale that anyone who has watched the video of hunter telling a russian hooker that his father will do anything he tells him too could then say to themselves "oh he wouldn't talk about state security stuff with hookers would he" no, hunter? no....HMMM a crack smoking whore banging back room dealing scumbag like hunter No Way! TRUMPS KIDS ARE THE REAL BAD GUYS!!
I can see people on the left right now, how bummed out they are that they cannot blame trump for this war because we all know if trump were in office and this war happened under his admin they'd be screaming bloody murder and Oh the height of irony. Can you image how angry the left would be if it were trumps kids selling their paintings to anonymous buyers for millions of dollars?! They'd be livid that no would would know who was buying access to the white house but hey, common sense doesn't run to far for lefties anyway.
Goddamn, I just read the rest of your rambling nonsense! All your what-aboutism! Hunter is a man who had a drug problem and had the courage to get help. Bidens other son was a war vet! Trumps fucking brain dead idiots steal from cancer charities! Kushner got 2 billion from the Bone Saw Saudi regime. You are laughable. You and Crying on a blue ball train! Let’s check out these new Tax returns that the Supreme Court just said need to be released. And let’s wait for the Fulton County cards to fall, and I’m looking forward to the Mar-Lago papers that were declassified by the fat slob thinking about it! Worst President in the history! Well he actually falls into third in that category by ever major metric according to all historians! I’ll get to your nonsense posts in a moment Crying Blue Balls. Save it.
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21 minutes ago, hummingbird69 said:
Dont tell me you believe this shit too! Are you kidding me? what's the big omission from that bullshit meme? How Many Convictions? NONE Trumps kids, completely clean like it or not the left has had a microscope up their assholes for the last 6 years and not one piece of actionable dirt or crime has precipitated from any of the investigations into their doings. Now, the very same people who have been telling you about how bad trump and his family are, are telling you don't worry about the obvious crimes seen on the lap top and that the president isn't involved in any of that stuff. AND YOU BELIVE IT!
It's beyond the pale that anyone who has watched the video of hunter telling a russian hooker that his father will do anything he tells him too could then say to themselves "oh he wouldn't talk about state security stuff with hookers would he" no, hunter? no....HMMM a crack smoking whore banging back room dealing scumbag like hunter No Way! TRUMPS KIDS ARE THE REAL BAD GUYS!!
I can see people on the left right now, how bummed out they are that they cannot blame trump for this war because we all know if trump were in office and this war happened under his admin they'd be screaming bloody murder and Oh the height of irony. Can you image how angry the left would be if it were trumps kids selling their paintings to anonymous buyers for millions of dollars?! They'd be livid that no would would know who was buying access to the white house but hey, common sense doesn't run to far for lefties anyway.
Also, why do you give a shit what Hunter had told a hooker?! Trump on the other hand was with a Pornstar and was thoroughly embarrassed and a man went to prison over it. You are a delusional Trumplican! Get out! Seriously, get out while you can. Start backing guys like Adam K and Liz C! Mitt.
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20 minutes ago, hummingbird69 said:
Dont tell me you believe this shit too! Are you kidding me? what's the big omission from that bullshit meme? How Many Convictions? NONE Trumps kids, completely clean like it or not the left has had a microscope up their assholes for the last 6 years and not one piece of actionable dirt or crime has precipitated from any of the investigations into their doings. Now, the very same people who have been telling you about how bad trump and his family are, are telling you don't worry about the obvious crimes seen on the lap top and that the president isn't involved in any of that stuff. AND YOU BELIVE IT!
It's beyond the pale that anyone who has watched the video of hunter telling a russian hooker that his father will do anything he tells him too could then say to themselves "oh he wouldn't talk about state security stuff with hookers would he" no, hunter? no....HMMM a crack smoking whore banging back room dealing scumbag like hunter No Way! TRUMPS KIDS ARE THE REAL BAD GUYS!!
I can see people on the left right now, how bummed out they are that they cannot blame trump for this war because we all know if trump were in office and this war happened under his admin they'd be screaming bloody murder and Oh the height of irony. Can you image how angry the left would be if it were trumps kids selling their paintings to anonymous buyers for millions of dollars?! They'd be livid that no would would know who was buying access to the white house but hey, common sense doesn't run to far for lefties anyway.
Would you like me to post the convictions as well Hummer. Admit it, you are in a cult. It is not too late to get out. It’s not like we will ridicule you. You were conned by a con man. It’s not the party of Reagan anymore. Not even Bush. It’s an old fat slob who is tearing the party apart. I would love to know the difference between these two? I’ll wait. And all your bullshit responses are not proof of anything. I’ll post facts while you post opinions.
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On 11/19/2022 at 8:40 PM, cryingbluerain said:
And nothing on Mr. Untouchable..
Don’t be all mad about true Big D energy. Most Libs and Dems have that. While most Trumplicans are dealing with inferior complexes! Let’s look at that no chin p.o.s. Don JR. that kid couldn’t fight his way out of a wet paper bag. Nor his sloppy, talk tough, never been in a fight, or played sport, bone spur, having orange father. Joe and his son would slap the hell out of his weak father and son combo. By the way, he does not and never had a job in his pops administration. On the other hand Jared, Ivanka, and a few others need to start worrying. Let’s take a look at Admins and their indictments.
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5 hours ago, redrum said:
Thank you. I appreciate the comment. 😊
Yes Sir. I admire your dedication and your ability to try new things. We should all take a page out of your book.
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On 11/20/2022 at 6:59 PM, cryingbluerain said:
Nothing at all, right wing media blogs are making stupid stuff up to fit the conspiracy theory narrative. I am having a blast reading all the trumptards talk about 7 times trying to convict and still nothing. Impeached twice, lost popular vote twice, lost the house and the senate, the senate three times. He is getting his comeuppance. Stealing classified docs and saying he can declassify by just thinking about it is hilarious. If I didn’t know better I would say that the Rino trump, the original Rino is trying to destroy the Republican Party. I mean, he did just switch party affiliation back in 2010, his daughter officially in 2018 I believe. The problem is, that Rino is going to ruin it for an actual Republican in Desantis. That’s a guy a lot of Independents like myself could get behind. If Ron would perhaps be a little more moderate, he has an actual chance. If they run that train wreck Trump he absolutely will lose, and then the house and the Senate will go to the Dems.
Try reading something that isn’t just force fed from a narrative you want to believe in. Blogs, Breightshit, Faux News, OANN, and NewsMax are not news. That’s like watching RT and expecting to hear something bad about Putin.
What happened to all of those who said that Russia would roll right over the Ukraine. And what the hell happened to the party of Reagan who would have never backed Russia over anyone in their own country. I remember when John McCain said that Rand Paul was a Russian asset! He was correct. There are just many more in the new Rino Party.
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On 11/13/2022 at 1:09 PM, redrum said:
My latest. Bartolome waltz.
That is some good stuff Red.
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1 minute ago, zeplz71 said:
New audio clip from Amsterdam 1969 from Markzep Youtube channel
This is amazing. All the music that has appeared from this band in the last year is also pretty spectacular. Thanks to all of you that have had anything to do with it.
Here's to my Sweet Ranking - 14 Magickal Performances of "Dazed and Confused" from 1973
in Led Zeppelin Live
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I would agree with most of this, Robert’s voice 68-71 was otherworldly. However, I do feel and appreciate his 73 voice warts and all. There are certain songs that I prefer his 73 voice on. Rain song specifically, some of the NQ performances are just amazing. I would also note that his 75 voice when healthy was and has some of my favorite performances. His IMTOD at Earls Court may be one of the best vocal performances I’ve ever heard. It is interesting, my daughter is a singer/classical as well as pop, rock, blues etc. when she watches that performance he is singing from gut! It isn’t a throat performance. I would also say that his 77 voice on many songs were spectacular. Since I’ve been living you was incredible and for me took that song to another level. 79 for Kashmir, Achilles, and a few others at the Copenhagen shows were as good as it gets for me.
I would like to say that 68-71 Plant, the power, the rawness of his voice was unlike anything anyone had ever heard. It was just breathtaking. Having said that, I can appreciate the vulnerability, the courage, the phrasing, delivery that he demonstrated and developed over the years. I personally think while he may have lost some of that raw power and damaged his voice, he absolutely in my opinion became a better singer overall.
I don’t think 68-71 Plant could have performed IMTOD, Kashmir, Wanton, Custard, In the light, Ten Years, In the evening, All of my love, and maybe my favorite song ever I’m going to Crawl. I really want to say that I don’t have a favorite Zeppelin song. But I’m going to Crawl to book end their career is about as good as it gets. And I can’t begin to imagine Robert in 68,69,70,71 getting close to that performance, or the performances that I listed above. 71 Plant on TUF in my dumb opinion would not have sounded the same as it did in 75.
I do dig and appreciate your topic here. It is awesome, great to go back and listen and get into that time period.
Thank you NQ75