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Interesting! I had no idea that many people felt that way about hte Teutonic cross also. I imagine Jimmy wore these symbols realizing their real meaning and not careing what others thought. And perhaps hoping to a degree that people might be enlightened by looking further into the meanings.
Steve...so sorry to highjack the thread...if anyone is interested we could start a thread on symbolism. It looks like there are several people here that could add a lot to it....could be a great topic!
No worries...still hoping people might be enlightened by looking further into meanings.
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This is the only shot I've ever seen from this occasion though, wish there were more. Steve, where and when was that again?
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From my knoweldge, ( I am fluent in read/written Hindi) the symbol DOES NOT appear to be a swastika, in fact, I am most certain it does not represent the Letter in Sanskrit, it is just a Loch Ness Monster...The ending does not match in Sanskrit/Hindi.... (the symbol, anyhow, represents the letter K in English, and it is the First Alphabet of Hindi Language....
http://www.friesian.com/cognates.htm
Pls. scroll to bottom....
Jimmy has recalled going to India alone when the other members of The Yardbirds opted
to go to San Francisco instead. This trip would have been circa August 1967, consistent
with around the era the photo was taken. Perhaps he acquired it there? The mystery continues!
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Steve, you've posted this pic before but one really can't see the symbol. When I asked if it was an equal armed cross you said again, no a German cross. Out of curiosity, as this was brought up again, I blew this shot up can now see he is wearing two crosses. You probably were refering to the black one but I didn't notice it next to the shiny one, LOL!
One is an equal armed cross, of which the design appears to be of the Knights Templar (though some people refer to that as a German cross, there are many other varients as I'm sure you know) AND the other appears, at least to me, to be a Swastika (also, sadly, known as a German cross).
So if people were upset (for reasons that were unjust) it was probably over the silver pendant, not the black one.
On that note...I find it really cool that Jimmy is wearing his talismans again. I, personally, see this as 'good things to come'. Jimmy's revving up the power ; )
Fascinating! There does indeed appear to be a swastika on the medal to the right, yet it's rather like looking at one of those blurry b&w prints of the Loch Ness Monster! Perhaps a clearer image can be found to verify this, or an eagle-eyed collector of
World War II memrobilia can discern what medal it is.
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He did spend part of his summer of 2004 touring with Mutual Admiration Society.
Oh yes, forgot that one for a moment, as they did not perform JPJ's solo material.
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Do you mean this symbol: German Cross
Was there something about Scotland's relationship to the Germans that sparked that type of reaction? I am rather surprised to hear of that reaction.
No, this one:
Scotland had fought Germany in World War I & II.
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I'm going to argue that Beck played that solo, though it is uncredited. I'm also going to argue that Beck's idea was that he and Jimmy should go to LA and play with Arthur Lee, hence the well-reknowned story, "I'm leaving ... you coming???" -- to which Jimmy said, No.
EDIT: I'd have left with Jeff to play with Arthur Lee. Keith Relf had become horrible. He wasn't even any good any more but for his harp playing, which was always great, though it ruined the middle sections of the "Dazed and Confused" Jimmy was trying to do later on after Jeff quit. Anyway, Relf was not delivering.
I'm listening to Forever Changes right now, an album that was never played out, never toured, and the only reason most people know about it is that THe Damned covered 'Alone Again Or' -- With Jimmy and JEff, Arthur Lee would have conquered the world, and I have no doubt that was an idea that Jeff wanted to actualize. Really, at the time, 1966, everybody wanted to play with Arthur Lee.
I've also heard Jeff's frustration on that final tour stemmed in part from wanting to be with a girlfriend in Los Angeles, however it seems one never really knows with Jeff. For
example, he had agreed to do a King Crimson/John Paul Jones/Jeff Beck package tour in 2001. He sent a fax (!) to Robert Fripp canceling his involvement a mere eight days before it was to be announced. Everything was scrapped and JPJ has not returned to
touring since then.
Insofar as the connection to Love, there are seemingly some plausible similarities, but
to insist that record features Jeff Beck on guitar would quite possibly be inflammatory
to it's many devotees, among them Robert Plant, whom calls the album a personal
favorite and has covered selections from it in concert. No, seems to me if Jeff played
on that album it would be an established fact by now. Views may vary.
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To commemorate Jeff Beck's induction as a solo artist into the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame tomorrow night, I thought I'd post concerning his trials and tribulations during The Yardbirds' Page/Beck era.
It was July 1966 and Jimmy had only been in the group a couple of weeks when they were booked to perform a series of shows in Scotland. During one of these performances they were spat upon for wearing the German Cross and other foreign military medals.
On July 11-12 1966 The Yardbirds (without Jeff Beck) recorded a 60 second commercial for 'Great Shakes' beverage. Jimmy, their bassist, used Jeff's guitar for these sessions.
A gig at J.P.'s Palace in Santa Fe, New Mexico on 8/17/66 ended abruptly after two or three songs when Jeff stormed out over poor sound.
During their gig at Avalon on Catalina Island off the coast of Southern California on 8/23/66, Jeff Beck collapsed due to tonsilitis and effectively dropped out of the remainder of the tour. Their next gig was the Carousel Ballroom in San Francisco on 8/25/66, during which Jimmy took over on lead guitar. Jeff was not present; he underwent surgery for tonsilitis that weekend.
During their first gig of the Autumn '66 USA tour, at The Comic Strip in Worcester, MA on 10/21/66, Jeff smashed an amp.
There seems to be no consensus amongst The Yardbirds as to precisely when Jeff was removed from the group. In one recollection, his last gig was at the Memorial Coliseum in
Corpus Christi, Texas on 10/30/66. In another, both Dreja & Beck cite Memorial Coliseum in Dallas on 10/29/66. In a third, Jeff states he quit the first week of November '66 in Kansas (they played the Memorial Hall on 11/5/66).
Whatever the fact of the matter concerning his last gig, the 12/3/66 issue of Enland's 'New Musical Express' magazine carried manager Simon Napier-Bell's confirmation that Jeff was leaving the group for illness (mental exhaustion). Recording sessions later the same month did not include Jeff Beck.
Jeff Beck's Hall of Fame Acceptance Speech (The Yardbirds)
Waldorf-Astoria Hotel New York, NY January 15, 1992:
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I thought I had read somewhere that Wonderful One was recorded well before the Unledded project and now you cleared this up. Thanks Steve. That's a great tune.
While it was recorded well before the August '94 Unledded performances, it was of course written specficially for that project as opposed to anything else.
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Perhaps this (Buxton) concert lead into the P & P project.
Actually the P&P project was underway prior to this concert (4/14/94). You see, two months prior they'd been working at Depot Studios near Kings Cross in London using a series of drum loops as backing tracks, and then they cut a demo of 'Wonderful One' at RAK Studios in St. Johns Wood. Finally, they rehearsed in advance for this event.
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I guess it being the 40th anniversary that it's an easy excuse to cover them again. I'll admit it though, I'm a sucker for any article that has new photos or info I haven't seen or read before.
Your exactly right, the band's 40th anniversary is generating most of the more recent coverage. However, with Jimmy and JPJ headed for the states next month and a new
album in the works from Robert & Alison there's bound to be new topics of discussion.
Regardless, if they make the cover I buy it! I've documented over 1,250 cover stories
going all the way back to the session days, which may not seem like many until one tries to collect a copy of each one. I'm just a little over half-way there.
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You truly are the Sorcerer's Apprentice. Long live your apprentriceship. I'm consuming a hardy toast in your honor Mr.Jones.
I sincerely hope we get a terrific Page/Beck/Clapton cover story to read this summer!
Cheers!
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Guitar World Feb 2009 (USA)
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The January issues you can't get on the newsstands anymore - at least where I am.
I thought I'd open the thread with everything published since the start of the New Year.
Each is still available as a back issue thru their respective websites. Anticipate several
new issues available on newstands in the next few months.
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Enter Goldmine's "Whole Lotta Led Zeppelin Giveaway" Sweepstakes:
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Goldmine's Guide to Led Zeppelin March 2009 (USA)
Digital download: http://www.goldminemag.com/GeneralMenu/
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MOJO Classic - Led Zeppelin 2009 (UK)
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Kerrang! January 14, 2009 issue (UK)
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Uncut Jan 2009 issue (UK)
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Classic Rock April 2009 issue (UK)
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This from the website "Turn Me On, Dead Man":
Boogie with Stu
"Boogie With Stu" on Physical Graffiti is credited to "John Bonham/John Paul Jones/Jimmy Page/Robert Plant/Ian Stewart/Mrs. Valens". "Mrs. Valens" refers to the mother of 1950s singer Ritchie Valens, of "La Bamba" fame. Ritchie Valens wrote and recorded the song "Ooh My Head" in the late-1950s. Charles M. Young asked Jimmy Page why Ritchie Valens's mother was credited on the song:
PAGE: Yeah. Let's put it this way. "Surfin' USA" by the Beach Boys had a credit for Chuck Berry, didn't it? I think that answers the question. It does in my book anyway.
YOUNG: It was from "Ooh My Head," right?
PAGE: Yeah. Some of the lyrics from that. Yeah. It appears. In print. Mrs. Valens.
YOUNG: So she got her little piece of Physical Graffiti?
PAGE: That was the idea right from the outset. We'd heard she'd been ripped off in the past. You should ask Robert these things, because I didn't write the words, did I?
At first glance giving Ritchie Valens's mother credit as one of the songwriters seems like a generous thing to do. But if Jimmy Page isn't comfortable answering this question, perhaps it's because the only differences between "Boogie With Stu" and "Ooh My Head" are superficial changes to the lyrics and the instrumentation and studio effects Led Zeppelin and Ian Stewart used in their performance. "Boogie With Stu" is simply a retitled performance of "Ooh, My Head". In a Guitar World interview, Page described it this way:
"Curiously enough, the one time we did try to do the right thing, it blew up in our faces. When we were up at Headley Grange recording Physical Graffiti, Ian Stewart (the Rolling Stones' unofficial keyboard player) came by and we started to jam. The jam turned into "Boogie With Stu," which was obviously a variation on "Ooh My Head" by the late Ritchie Valens, which itself was actually a variation of Little Richard's "Ooh My Soul." What we tried to do was give Ritchie's mother credit, because we heard she never received any royalties form any of her son's hits, and Robert did lean on that lyric a bit. So what happens? They tried to sue us for all of the song! We had to say bugger off. (laughs)"
So much for fairness. Page's arrogance reveals just what an afterthought crediting "Mrs. Valens" was—couldn't they at least have made some effort to find out what her name was? Having said that, Page is right about one thing, though: Ritchie Valens' "Ooh My Head" is itself largely a copy of Little Richard's song "Ooh My Soul". Little Richard recorded "Ooh My Soul" in 1957, two years before Valens recorded "Ooh My Head." The similarities between these songs strongly suggest that Valens had heard Little Richard's tune, which had peaked at #31 on the pop chart and #15 on the R&B chart. Led Zeppelin certainly wasn't the first group to lift the work of another artist without giving proper credit.
This from the website Achilles Last Stand:
Jimmy Page once told fellow British musician/author Ian Whitcomb during an interview: "Valens was my first guitar hero and I played that bridge to 'La Bamba' a thousand times." Led Zeppelin later cribbed Ritchie's "Ooh! My Head" for their own "Boogie With Stu." The band retitled the song, listing themselves as composers. On July 28, 1978, Led Zeppelin and their record company, Swan Song Records, settled amicably out of court for a reported $130,000 plus future royalties with the stipulation that the settlement's incriminating terms be kept confidential. This song was released in 1959 in Ritchie Valens' self-titled album.
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Steve, did you attend the premiere?
No, sorry.
Zeppelin Mysteries Hosted by Steve A. Jones
in Led Zeppelin Master Forum
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Possible, though it is also known they lounged around the pool in Montgomery, Alabama on a day off (6/5/68) between the two tour ending gigs at Montgomery International Speedway. Assasination of Robert Kennedy dominated the airwaves of a radio nearby.