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ThreeSticks

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  1. LED ZEPPELIN'S 50th ANNIVERSARY PLANS?

    As much as I respect Ross Halfin as a photographer, he is the kind of guy who would ask Page about off-stage activities of the band (and its crew) that LZ clearly don't wish to talk about, which I understand. I mean, if you read Nikki Sixx's book "The Heroin Diaries," it talks about an orgy that Ross participated in. Whenever sex, drugs, and sleaze are brought up in various Behind The Musics, there's old Ross telling us about everything he witnessed. I don't read his website, but whenever he is on TV, he comes off as a guy who is the least bit concerned about the music. I think LZ can do a great, great book that isn't a "tell-all." I realize it's been a long time since the recording of "Led Zeppelin III," but the band's recollections of that time period are probably way more vivid than what happened at 4am at some night club in San Antonio after an exhausting 1969 show. Most musicians really enjoy discussing the creative process, how they work, what inspires them, etc. It's one of the reasons why Jimmy's interviews in the documentary "It Might Get Loud" were so magical. In that film you could almost see tears in his eyes when he walked into Headley Grange. If you keep it to the music, he's very open and has a wealth of information to share.
  2. LED ZEPPELIN'S 50th ANNIVERSARY PLANS?

    Of course, but can't I be an idealist?? . I realize the Springsteen style download site won't likely occur, but it's still a great idea, presuming the artist wants their concerts to be released, which is the reason why the guys in LZ would nix the idea. They would only want the very best stuff to be publicly released. I understand that's the way they operate. So be it. But when it comes to the book, that's a different matter. It makes no sense for them to do the book in any other way than I described it. For the amount of griping that Page and Plant have done in interviews over the years about the books that have been written about them, you would think they would want to set the record straight with their own book. While I understand that money is the biggest factor behind the publication of most of the rock musician autobiographies over the past 5-7 years, they have also been done because the authors know that when they write their own book, it generally puts end to the unauthorized books which they hate. I am not aware of another book that's been written about Keith Richards, Aerosmith (except their individual autobiographies), Clapton, etc., since they published their own autobiography. Yes, having NY Times bestseller is nice, but being able to put an end to the unauthorized books is also nice. And as I said, there have been a million and a half books related to LZ photography. Jimmy's book capped it off. I am just hoping for a greater emphasis on "text" as opposed to photos in this new book, but the way it looks (like a coffee table book), I am probably not going to get what many people would like. But this is their chance to write their own story.....they can't complain in interviews anymore when someone brings up Davis' book, Cole's book, etc. I was just reading a 1988 interview with Plant last night where he went on for a whole page about the misinformation that's contained in books about the band. Moreover, universities do not consider Wikipedia to be a "reputable" reference, so almost every thing I read on there, I read with a grain of salt - even if the information is credited to a magazine article from 1971 that no one owns. LZ have their chance now to set the record straight. It's now or never, because they're aren't getting any younger. I am only mentioning this because of the amount of times I have seen Jimmy and Robert pissed off when interviewers ask questions that were clearly based on info they attained through unauthorized books. Jimmy and Robert ask with irritation, "How do you know?" Well, if you don't say anything yourself or give any references to reputable sources, fans are going to look to bad or inadequate sources. I am not talking about the mud shark business, but information and true stories that are related to the band's music and performances.
  3. LED ZEPPELIN'S 50th ANNIVERSARY PLANS?

    You're completely and totally missing my point. I already know those details. Most serious Zep fans do as well. I don't care what wikipedia says. I don't care what some wikipedia writer picked out of Stephen Davis' book. And frankly, I don't even care what Jimmy Page had to say about Presence back in 1976 or even ten years ago. I want the surviving band members and the surviving band members only to be writing the text from their contemporary perspective in this new book. They have never told it from their perspective and their perspective only. All three guys. It is really important, as Jimmy implied in his presser, that the guys tell it from their perspective because they've been misrepresented so many times in unauthorized bios and even in interviews. My worry is that this is just going to be another book of photographs with text along the lines of John Paul Jones saying: "Gees, I couldn't believe my hair style back then." This band is too important for that. Remembrances of every song and every album should be covered in detail, etc. Same with key concerts. Again, from their perspective now. Artists often do not have a good take on their work until they have decades of time to look back on it. I don't care what Plant thought about the Led Zep post-Live Aid rehearsals when he was promoting his late 80's "Now And Zen" solo album. Been there, done that. Not that it's a part of the band's history I wish to hear a great deal about.
  4. LED ZEPPELIN'S 50th ANNIVERSARY PLANS?

    Regarding the Led Zeppelin book that is going to be released in September or October (or whenever it is).......it is my sincere hope that the book contains more TEXT than photos. There have been a million and a half LZ photo books, including Page's book. What has been untold is the Led Zeppelin story in their own words. All we have been given over the years are mainly unauthorized bios with disgruntled former employees being used as the main source of info. The books are totally lacking in detail about the kinds of things that a Zeppelin maniac would want to know. How was "The Rain Song" written. Was there a concerted effort to make "Presence" an all-electric guitar album, or did it just turn our that way? Any specific reason why "Dancing Days" was put on "Houses Of The Holy" instead of the title track? Any additional info about the "secret" band rehearsals after Live Aid? I mean, there might be answers to these kind of questions, but I think Zep fans are more interested in Led Zep addressing them. The real fans are more interested in how the music was created. The crazy off stage stuff is so tired. I am also kind of surprised that LZ hasn't put out a "story of" DVD like The Beatles Anthology (with less discs, obviously). Then again, they may feel that this sort of thing might destroy the LZ mystique. As far as live recordings are concerned, I wish LZ would create a site like live.springsteen.net (http://live.brucespringsteen.net/). On this site fans can pay for a download (in a variety of formats) of current and classic soundboard concerts in their entirety. You can also order a Compact Disc if you wish. If Page has got some sort of really good live release like "How The West Was Won" that's fine and I will buy it, but a site like the Springsteen one allows a big time artist to release soundboard concerts in a more casual manner without having to worry about record companies (and their middle men), huge advertising, constant interviews, etc. Obviously, when it comes to the Compact Discs, a site like this gives you another advantage: you only manufacture them according to customer need. I realize that LZ has a ton of bootleg concert recordings, and many hard core LZ fans assume that everyone owns them. However, a lot of people don't, and a lot of people don't want to download them (along with viruses and malware) from storage sites. They would rather pay for them. It just seems to make more sense for LZ to put up a site like this than to release a bunch of stand alone CD's for record stores. I realize that Page had a lot of stuff stolen from his house in the 80's.....maybe he could track down the best source of what was stolen and use a recording studio to freshen up the recordings to make them better for "official" release. If LZ were to put out some official CD's for record stores, I wouldn't mind a "best of" CD for the 1980 tour of Europe, the 1977 tour of the States, the 1975 Earls Court shows, and the 1975 tour of the states. These areas of the band's career need to be addressed first before we see anything from the "Houses Of The Holy" tour or before.
  5. Hard To Find Photos

    Unfortunately I don't have them, but I was hoping that some of you might have them. I have searched this forum, and I cannot seem to find very many from there eras: 1) I know it sounds morbid, but are there are any photos from Bonzo's funeral? 2) Are there any photos of the band or the individual band members in the first few months following Bonzo's passing? 3) What is the last known photo of Bonzo? 4) Any photos of the band recording "Presence" in Musicland Studios In Munich in 1975? 5) Any photos of the band rehearsing "Presence" in L.A. in 1975? 6) Any photos of the band recording "In through The Out Door" in Sweden in 1978? 7) Any photos of the band rehearsing "In through The Out Door" in Clearwater Castle in 1978? 8) Any photos of the band rehearsing for the planned 1980 North American tour at Bray Film Studios in Sep. 1980? 9) Any photos of Jimmy Page in 1978? 10) Any photos of Jimmy Page off stage in 1979 (doesn't include photos from Knebworth - like the famous helicopter shot. I have seen tons of off stage Knebworth pics)? 11) Any shots of Jimmy Page, off stage, in 1980, (doesn't include rehearsal pics for the European tour (I've seen tons of those)? Thanks a bunch. It just seems as though photos from these eras of the band are very hard to find.
  6. I am sure this topic has been covered before.......but all you need to do is go over to youtube.com and listen to a Zep song or bootleg concert, and some guy will have written a 33,000 word essay in the comments section about how Zep ripped off blues artists (and other songwriters) left and right and never gave them proper writing credits. It seems to be almost like some sort of movement, driven by people who are very jealous of Zep's popularity and immense influence. I'm not just talking about a few songs off of the first two records.....some of these people even dissect every verse on "In Through The Out Door." Never mind that the record is awash in keyboards and synths and is the furthest thing from delta blues or whatever. How does everyone feel about this when you are confronted with the accusations and are put into a position of defending the band we all love. This is not to say that we have to love everything they did. Artists make mistakes, and artists often acknowledge their mistakes. I suspect that some of these songs should've have included some co-writing credits. But I also don't feel when Robert sings "Shake 'Em All Down" during "Custard Pie" that Bukka White deserves compensation either. Songwriters refer to other songs all the time in their own songs.
  7. The time between Bonzo's passing and the early December 1980 announcement (however obscure the statement may have been) that Led Zep had disbanded is the subject of a lot of conjecture and rumors. If you listen to the surviving members nowadays, they will tell you that the decision to bust up was immediate. That the band couldn't have survived without Bonzo, and the decision to stop was immediate. They just wanted to wait a little bit before announcing it. However, I have heard in so many LZ documentaries over the years that various drummers ranging from Carmine Appice to Aynsley Dunbar were seriously rumored to be replacements...even to the point of rehearsals being scheduled. I can understand the temptation to tour because the band must have forked over a bunch of money to promoters for all the cancelled gigs on the North American tour. Do you feel that the decision to disband was totally immediate and unified, and do you feel that the surviving members seriously considered keeping it going but thought the better of it in the end?? I mean, the announcement that they put out in early December 1980 wasn't exactly a definitive statement that the band was done. It just said that they couldn't continue as they were. Well, or course not, nobody could replace Bonzo. But The Who said the exact same thing after Moon died....that they couldn't continue as they were....but that they would try to continue.
  8. I think that Jimmy was in worse shape in 1977 than he was in 1979 or even 1980. I have listened to every Europe 1980 show, and none of them drop to the low points of some of the 1977 gigs when Jimmy had be carried to the limo. I felt Robert's vocals were much better in 1980 than 1977 as well. Don't get me wrong: I think Jimmy was in bad shape, and he desperately needed to clean up his act, but I think it could've been a better overall tour than the 1977 tour was. But I am just guessing.
  9. "Swan Song"

    Getting back to the track "Swan Song," I know parts of it were put into The Firm track "Midnight Moonlight," but people act sometimes as if "Swan Song" IS "Midnight Moonlight," when it's clearly not. If you listen to the songs back to back, there is a whole bunch of music on "Swan Song" that didn't get transferred over to "Midnight Moonlight." Once again, not including "Swan Song" on the PG companion disc is a travesty. There was more than enough room for it. I know Jimmy tried to stay away from things that have already been bootlegged. I can understand that, but when there is room on the CD, and you can finally get the song released with decent sound.....
  10. What will be the next Live Led Zeppelin DVD?

    I feel we are more likely to get audio. It might be cool to do a thing like Tom Petty did where he released a 4-CD package of live tunes spread over his entire career. That way Jimmy could pick the best of what he's got rather than focus on one show and spending a zillion hours trying to fix it. Of course, some of this depends on what Jimmy still has in his vaults after the infamous tape theft in the 1980's. One would hope that safeties were made of the live shows that were lost, but I kind of doubt it.
  11. Did They Paint Themselves Into A Corner?

    It would've been interesting to see what the 1980 tour list would have looked like. I doubt that we would've seen Moby Dick and Dazed and Confused re-enter the set. I think that era of the band was over. Starting with the 1979 Knebworth gigs, LZ was a different band. One of the reasons why I like watching those Knebworth gigs (despite the flaws, playing, weather or otherwise) is the variety of songs they played. They still didn't break out anything like a full version of The Rover or Hots On For Nowhere, but still, it was neat to see all those tunes played.
  12. I doubt this song was officially recorded for PG, but the rehearsal jam should've been included on the PG companion disc. I know Jimmy tried to stay away from items that have been bootlegged, but there was enough room on the disc to include this great little song that is considered the predecessor to "the Wanton Song."
  13. There are a number of Led Zeppelin songs that are enormously complex in their arrangements. Tracks like "Ten Year's Gone," "Achilles Last Stand," "The Song Remains The Same," and "No Quarter" come to mind. Contrary to popular belief, I have heard several times that "Stairway" was actually written quite quickly. Over the years in various interviews, have the members of LZ ever referred to certain songs in the catalog that were very difficult to write and arrange? On a semi-related note, what songs were the most difficult to record? I know of one group who says that there is at least one song per album that just doesn't seem to want to get recorded....that the group has to do a million and one takes to get the song done, while another song might get finished with one take. I wonder if there some LZ songs that the band just had to work on again and again and again. "No Quarter" has always struck me as being one of those tunes, but I could be wrong.
  14. Clarksdale was better than some of the LZ albums, IMO. I still listen to it once per week. I went to two or three concerts after that, and I haven't gone to a big time concert since. It absolutely pissed me off when fans would head for the beer stands when they started an unbelievable song like "When The World Was Young." I felt they were disrespectful. I sat there looking at those meatheads and said to myself, "Do you realize what you folks are doing to the real fans. You're going to deprive us of ever seeing Jimmy and Robert playing electric music ever again. Because Robert has zero tolerance for nostalgia." And sure enough, it happened. O2 and that's it. It had NOTHING to do with the quality of the album. It's outstanding. Both Robert and Jimmy still like it. As good as "Physical Graffiti"? Of course not. But worthy of the attention span of people who were only there to hear "Stairway" even though real Zep fans knew it would never be played. I hate to sound negative, but I no longer go see rock concerts with older performers due to the way Robert and Page's new material was treated on the Clarksdale tour. I figured why should I? Just about every quality older artist is going to be treated just the same way. The place is going to be half filled with people talking on smartphones and who just want to be there because they can say they were there,
  15. That may be true live, but Jimi's last album (or what he thought would be his last album) "The First Rays Of the New Rising Sun" represented the most mature songwriting of his career, IMO. I have no idea how it would have translated live. Some of the tunes, of course, were played live, but the dang audience wanted Foxy Lady and for Jimi to hump his amps. I get the sense that Jimi may have gone several years without touring to get rid of any notion of him being an outlandish stage performer ever again. Them days were done as far as he was concerned.
  16. http://rockmesexysquidward.tumblr.com/post/26318533123 This quote is one of the most revealing things that Jimmy has said in a magazine article. Quite personal. Do you know what magazine and edition this comes from. It's a photo from some article.
  17. Thanks a bunch. No big revelations with that 1982 quote.
  18. I recently bought all of the 2-CD deluxe remastered reissues of the Led Zeppelin back catalog. By and large I was very pleased with the project. I find the sound on the CD’s to be better than the 90’s remasters, and I have enjoyed a good deal of the material on the companion discs. However, like many fans, I feel there were some things that they got wrong with the reissues series: Booklets – an opportunity lost. While it was wonderful to get new photos, I was extremely disappointed about the complete lack of new liner notes with the reissues. When The Who reissued their catalog in the 1990’s, the booklets were worth the cost of the CD itself. They were beautifully made with not only all the original artwork, credits and liner notes, but also new photos, details on each of the songs (including the bonus songs), and most importantly, liner notes penned by a reputable journalist (and sometimes by Townshend) about the making of the album, and its place in The Who’s career and contemporary music at the time. Led Zeppelin, more than any group in classic rock history, is shrouded in mystery. Almost all of the info we have on the band and their recording sessions come from sleazy sensationalist books. Since it appears as if no one in the band is ever going to pen an autobiography, why couldn’t these guys have gotten together and written something about the making of each album? They could’ve detailed how the songs were written. They could’ve shared details about the recording process, some fun things that may have happened during the sessions, their thoughts on the companion disc tracks, etc. What an opportunity lost. My biggest gripe with the reissues. Give me a font size that does require a microscope. There is a trend with many reissue campaigns to genuinely reproduce the artwork of the original LP into the CD casing and booklet. It’s not the same medium. If you want the LP artwork of Led Zeppelin III, buy the LP version of Led Zeppelin III. Look, I have pretty good vision, but I am at an age where I do need reading glasses. I absolutely cannot read the recording dates for the songs on the original “Coda” CD now even with reading glasses. Even the credits on the black background of all the CD booklets are hard to read. Companion Discs Not Expansive Enough. For the most part I didn’t have many major gripes with the companion discs, although some of the rough mixes, frankly, sounded just like the final mix to me. It’s just that there was room on all of these discs to include material that has already come out on bootleg. I understand Jimmy’s philosophy of making sure to include material that fans haven’t heard before, but there was still more than enough time on the “Physical Graffiti” disc to include “Swan Song” for instance, or even some of the rough rehearsal ideas like “Take Me Home.” Yes, fans can hear these songs on youtube.com or bootleg CD, but they would like to hear them in better sound quality. The “Coda” thing. I still don’t understand for the life of me why the two companion discs weren’t combined into one companion disc. It creates a situation where one of the discs in the “Coda” package has to be put in a place where it can easily get scratched, etc. It's a hassle with a single disc player to change out a disc that is only 30 minutes long. I'd rather just have it all on a 63 minute disc, thank you.
  19. Nobody's Fault But Mine....live

    Nobody's Fault But Mine may not be one of my favorite LZ songs on record, but it is certainly one of my favorite LZ songs live in concert. Why? The guitar solo. I just absolutely love it when just before the solo Robert goes "jimmy, oh Jimmy, come on Jimmy, oh yeah Jimmy" or whatever variation Robert used to use from gig to gig. Imagine what used to go thru Jimmy's head before the solo when Robert was belting out his name. He must've felt like a soldier preparing for battle, a tiger preparing to attack it's prey, a boxer preparing to enter the ring, a sprinter jumping up and down before the 100 meter dash, etc. The anticipation of what's to come. How the audience is going to roar when the first note is hit. I would imagine that he felt such a sense of power in that moment. I don't know who came up with that idea for Robert to lead Jimmy into the solo like that, but was more powerful than any smoke bomb or laser beam effect I've ever seen at a concert. And it was something that the band could do even if it was playing a small club.
  20. "You" from the Ox as well. Great tune. Vicious bass playing. "Did You Steal My Money" is a silly song but one that many rock stars can relate to. The reference to being in a bear pit in "Cache Cache" is true. I guess Pete got so pissed and drugged one night that he passed out in a zoo. The remixed version of the CD is quite interesting because they cut way more tracks than they needed for the record. "I Like Nightmares" very much captures Pete's frame of mind at the time. Wait a minute, I guess we are on a Led Zeppelin fan forum...sorry Kind of a bad thing to do being that Pete T. hates Led Zeppelin (but likes the guys in the band). But he dislikes everything, so everyone gets the same treatment.
  21. Hard To Find Photos

    That's a good one. Thanks a bunch mate. Don't copy. Right!
  22. I understand that, but like many people, I hate the sound of bootlegs. I mean, if it's the only thing available, I will take it. But part of the reason why I was slightly disappointed with the LZ reissues is that I wanted to get a version of "Swan Song" on CD in high fidelity. There was enough room on the Graffiti companion disc for its inclusion. By the way, I love "The Quiet One" from The Who. Bless the Ox. That song was one of the greatest live songs ever by The Who. Townshend's solos were among his best ever when that track was played live. Even during the 1980/81 tours when Pete was wasted.
  23. No problem. I just find it a startling revelation given Page's extreme tendency towards privacy. I am sure other posters would be interested in the rest of the quote as well and what he was talking about.
  24. Last photo of Zeppelin all together (off stage)?

    It's funny....during this photo shoot the band changed clothes a few times (Bonzo, for example, changed into a long sleeve dress shirt) . There is also the famous shot where Robert pulled his pants down enough to slightly reveal, shall we say, his package. I would imagine he is not happy with the fact that the photo is circulating on the net.
  25. Speaking about the XYZ project, Page has talked over the years about putting some of that material out. But with Squire's passing, I don't know if it will ever occur. Plus, a couple of the XYZ ideas ended up in other places.
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