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ThreeSticks

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  1. I am sure this topic has been covered before.......but all you need to do is go over to youtube.com and listen to a Zep song or bootleg concert, and some guy will have written a 33,000 word essay in the comments section about how Zep ripped off blues artists (and other songwriters) left and right and never gave them proper writing credits. It seems to be almost like some sort of movement, driven by people who are very jealous of Zep's popularity and immense influence. I'm not just talking about a few songs off of the first two records.....some of these people even dissect every verse on "In Through The Out Door." Never mind that the record is awash in keyboards and synths and is the furthest thing from delta blues or whatever. How does everyone feel about this when you are confronted with the accusations and are put into a position of defending the band we all love. This is not to say that we have to love everything they did. Artists make mistakes, and artists often acknowledge their mistakes. I suspect that some of these songs should've have included some co-writing credits. But I also don't feel when Robert sings "Shake 'Em All Down" during "Custard Pie" that Bukka White deserves compensation either. Songwriters refer to other songs all the time in their own songs.
  2. The time between Bonzo's passing and the early December 1980 announcement (however obscure the statement may have been) that Led Zep had disbanded is the subject of a lot of conjecture and rumors. If you listen to the surviving members nowadays, they will tell you that the decision to bust up was immediate. That the band couldn't have survived without Bonzo, and the decision to stop was immediate. They just wanted to wait a little bit before announcing it. However, I have heard in so many LZ documentaries over the years that various drummers ranging from Carmine Appice to Aynsley Dunbar were seriously rumored to be replacements...even to the point of rehearsals being scheduled. I can understand the temptation to tour because the band must have forked over a bunch of money to promoters for all the cancelled gigs on the North American tour. Do you feel that the decision to disband was totally immediate and unified, and do you feel that the surviving members seriously considered keeping it going but thought the better of it in the end?? I mean, the announcement that they put out in early December 1980 wasn't exactly a definitive statement that the band was done. It just said that they couldn't continue as they were. Well, or course not, nobody could replace Bonzo. But The Who said the exact same thing after Moon died....that they couldn't continue as they were....but that they would try to continue.
  3. I think that Jimmy was in worse shape in 1977 than he was in 1979 or even 1980. I have listened to every Europe 1980 show, and none of them drop to the low points of some of the 1977 gigs when Jimmy had be carried to the limo. I felt Robert's vocals were much better in 1980 than 1977 as well. Don't get me wrong: I think Jimmy was in bad shape, and he desperately needed to clean up his act, but I think it could've been a better overall tour than the 1977 tour was. But I am just guessing.
  4. Getting back to the track "Swan Song," I know parts of it were put into The Firm track "Midnight Moonlight," but people act sometimes as if "Swan Song" IS "Midnight Moonlight," when it's clearly not. If you listen to the songs back to back, there is a whole bunch of music on "Swan Song" that didn't get transferred over to "Midnight Moonlight." Once again, not including "Swan Song" on the PG companion disc is a travesty. There was more than enough room for it. I know Jimmy tried to stay away from things that have already been bootlegged. I can understand that, but when there is room on the CD, and you can finally get the song released with decent sound.....
  5. I feel we are more likely to get audio. It might be cool to do a thing like Tom Petty did where he released a 4-CD package of live tunes spread over his entire career. That way Jimmy could pick the best of what he's got rather than focus on one show and spending a zillion hours trying to fix it. Of course, some of this depends on what Jimmy still has in his vaults after the infamous tape theft in the 1980's. One would hope that safeties were made of the live shows that were lost, but I kind of doubt it.
  6. It would've been interesting to see what the 1980 tour list would have looked like. I doubt that we would've seen Moby Dick and Dazed and Confused re-enter the set. I think that era of the band was over. Starting with the 1979 Knebworth gigs, LZ was a different band. One of the reasons why I like watching those Knebworth gigs (despite the flaws, playing, weather or otherwise) is the variety of songs they played. They still didn't break out anything like a full version of The Rover or Hots On For Nowhere, but still, it was neat to see all those tunes played.
  7. I doubt this song was officially recorded for PG, but the rehearsal jam should've been included on the PG companion disc. I know Jimmy tried to stay away from items that have been bootlegged, but there was enough room on the disc to include this great little song that is considered the predecessor to "the Wanton Song."
  8. Unfortunately I don't have them, but I was hoping that some of you might have them. I have searched this forum, and I cannot seem to find very many from there eras: 1) I know it sounds morbid, but are there are any photos from Bonzo's funeral? 2) Are there any photos of the band or the individual band members in the first few months following Bonzo's passing? 3) What is the last known photo of Bonzo? 4) Any photos of the band recording "Presence" in Musicland Studios In Munich in 1975? 5) Any photos of the band rehearsing "Presence" in L.A. in 1975? 6) Any photos of the band recording "In through The Out Door" in Sweden in 1978? 7) Any photos of the band rehearsing "In through The Out Door" in Clearwater Castle in 1978? 8) Any photos of the band rehearsing for the planned 1980 North American tour at Bray Film Studios in Sep. 1980? 9) Any photos of Jimmy Page in 1978? 10) Any photos of Jimmy Page off stage in 1979 (doesn't include photos from Knebworth - like the famous helicopter shot. I have seen tons of off stage Knebworth pics)? 11) Any shots of Jimmy Page, off stage, in 1980, (doesn't include rehearsal pics for the European tour (I've seen tons of those)? Thanks a bunch. It just seems as though photos from these eras of the band are very hard to find.
  9. There are a number of Led Zeppelin songs that are enormously complex in their arrangements. Tracks like "Ten Year's Gone," "Achilles Last Stand," "The Song Remains The Same," and "No Quarter" come to mind. Contrary to popular belief, I have heard several times that "Stairway" was actually written quite quickly. Over the years in various interviews, have the members of LZ ever referred to certain songs in the catalog that were very difficult to write and arrange? On a semi-related note, what songs were the most difficult to record? I know of one group who says that there is at least one song per album that just doesn't seem to want to get recorded....that the group has to do a million and one takes to get the song done, while another song might get finished with one take. I wonder if there some LZ songs that the band just had to work on again and again and again. "No Quarter" has always struck me as being one of those tunes, but I could be wrong.
  10. Clarksdale was better than some of the LZ albums, IMO. I still listen to it once per week. I went to two or three concerts after that, and I haven't gone to a big time concert since. It absolutely pissed me off when fans would head for the beer stands when they started an unbelievable song like "When The World Was Young." I felt they were disrespectful. I sat there looking at those meatheads and said to myself, "Do you realize what you folks are doing to the real fans. You're going to deprive us of ever seeing Jimmy and Robert playing electric music ever again. Because Robert has zero tolerance for nostalgia." And sure enough, it happened. O2 and that's it. It had NOTHING to do with the quality of the album. It's outstanding. Both Robert and Jimmy still like it. As good as "Physical Graffiti"? Of course not. But worthy of the attention span of people who were only there to hear "Stairway" even though real Zep fans knew it would never be played. I hate to sound negative, but I no longer go see rock concerts with older performers due to the way Robert and Page's new material was treated on the Clarksdale tour. I figured why should I? Just about every quality older artist is going to be treated just the same way. The place is going to be half filled with people talking on smartphones and who just want to be there because they can say they were there,
  11. That may be true live, but Jimi's last album (or what he thought would be his last album) "The First Rays Of the New Rising Sun" represented the most mature songwriting of his career, IMO. I have no idea how it would have translated live. Some of the tunes, of course, were played live, but the dang audience wanted Foxy Lady and for Jimi to hump his amps. I get the sense that Jimi may have gone several years without touring to get rid of any notion of him being an outlandish stage performer ever again. Them days were done as far as he was concerned.
  12. http://rockmesexysquidward.tumblr.com/post/26318533123 This quote is one of the most revealing things that Jimmy has said in a magazine article. Quite personal. Do you know what magazine and edition this comes from. It's a photo from some article.
  13. Thanks a bunch. No big revelations with that 1982 quote.
  14. I recently bought all of the 2-CD deluxe remastered reissues of the Led Zeppelin back catalog. By and large I was very pleased with the project. I find the sound on the CD’s to be better than the 90’s remasters, and I have enjoyed a good deal of the material on the companion discs. However, like many fans, I feel there were some things that they got wrong with the reissues series: Booklets – an opportunity lost. While it was wonderful to get new photos, I was extremely disappointed about the complete lack of new liner notes with the reissues. When The Who reissued their catalog in the 1990’s, the booklets were worth the cost of the CD itself. They were beautifully made with not only all the original artwork, credits and liner notes, but also new photos, details on each of the songs (including the bonus songs), and most importantly, liner notes penned by a reputable journalist (and sometimes by Townshend) about the making of the album, and its place in The Who’s career and contemporary music at the time. Led Zeppelin, more than any group in classic rock history, is shrouded in mystery. Almost all of the info we have on the band and their recording sessions come from sleazy sensationalist books. Since it appears as if no one in the band is ever going to pen an autobiography, why couldn’t these guys have gotten together and written something about the making of each album? They could’ve detailed how the songs were written. They could’ve shared details about the recording process, some fun things that may have happened during the sessions, their thoughts on the companion disc tracks, etc. What an opportunity lost. My biggest gripe with the reissues. Give me a font size that does require a microscope. There is a trend with many reissue campaigns to genuinely reproduce the artwork of the original LP into the CD casing and booklet. It’s not the same medium. If you want the LP artwork of Led Zeppelin III, buy the LP version of Led Zeppelin III. Look, I have pretty good vision, but I am at an age where I do need reading glasses. I absolutely cannot read the recording dates for the songs on the original “Coda” CD now even with reading glasses. Even the credits on the black background of all the CD booklets are hard to read. Companion Discs Not Expansive Enough. For the most part I didn’t have many major gripes with the companion discs, although some of the rough mixes, frankly, sounded just like the final mix to me. It’s just that there was room on all of these discs to include material that has already come out on bootleg. I understand Jimmy’s philosophy of making sure to include material that fans haven’t heard before, but there was still more than enough time on the “Physical Graffiti” disc to include “Swan Song” for instance, or even some of the rough rehearsal ideas like “Take Me Home.” Yes, fans can hear these songs on youtube.com or bootleg CD, but they would like to hear them in better sound quality. The “Coda” thing. I still don’t understand for the life of me why the two companion discs weren’t combined into one companion disc. It creates a situation where one of the discs in the “Coda” package has to be put in a place where it can easily get scratched, etc. It's a hassle with a single disc player to change out a disc that is only 30 minutes long. I'd rather just have it all on a 63 minute disc, thank you.
  15. Nobody's Fault But Mine may not be one of my favorite LZ songs on record, but it is certainly one of my favorite LZ songs live in concert. Why? The guitar solo. I just absolutely love it when just before the solo Robert goes "jimmy, oh Jimmy, come on Jimmy, oh yeah Jimmy" or whatever variation Robert used to use from gig to gig. Imagine what used to go thru Jimmy's head before the solo when Robert was belting out his name. He must've felt like a soldier preparing for battle, a tiger preparing to attack it's prey, a boxer preparing to enter the ring, a sprinter jumping up and down before the 100 meter dash, etc. The anticipation of what's to come. How the audience is going to roar when the first note is hit. I would imagine that he felt such a sense of power in that moment. I don't know who came up with that idea for Robert to lead Jimmy into the solo like that, but was more powerful than any smoke bomb or laser beam effect I've ever seen at a concert. And it was something that the band could do even if it was playing a small club.
  16. "You" from the Ox as well. Great tune. Vicious bass playing. "Did You Steal My Money" is a silly song but one that many rock stars can relate to. The reference to being in a bear pit in "Cache Cache" is true. I guess Pete got so pissed and drugged one night that he passed out in a zoo. The remixed version of the CD is quite interesting because they cut way more tracks than they needed for the record. "I Like Nightmares" very much captures Pete's frame of mind at the time. Wait a minute, I guess we are on a Led Zeppelin fan forum...sorry Kind of a bad thing to do being that Pete T. hates Led Zeppelin (but likes the guys in the band). But he dislikes everything, so everyone gets the same treatment.
  17. That's a good one. Thanks a bunch mate. Don't copy. Right!
  18. I understand that, but like many people, I hate the sound of bootlegs. I mean, if it's the only thing available, I will take it. But part of the reason why I was slightly disappointed with the LZ reissues is that I wanted to get a version of "Swan Song" on CD in high fidelity. There was enough room on the Graffiti companion disc for its inclusion. By the way, I love "The Quiet One" from The Who. Bless the Ox. That song was one of the greatest live songs ever by The Who. Townshend's solos were among his best ever when that track was played live. Even during the 1980/81 tours when Pete was wasted.
  19. No problem. I just find it a startling revelation given Page's extreme tendency towards privacy. I am sure other posters would be interested in the rest of the quote as well and what he was talking about.
  20. It's funny....during this photo shoot the band changed clothes a few times (Bonzo, for example, changed into a long sleeve dress shirt) . There is also the famous shot where Robert pulled his pants down enough to slightly reveal, shall we say, his package. I would imagine he is not happy with the fact that the photo is circulating on the net.
  21. Speaking about the XYZ project, Page has talked over the years about putting some of that material out. But with Squire's passing, I don't know if it will ever occur. Plus, a couple of the XYZ ideas ended up in other places.
  22. 'Johns should have been hung, drawn and quartered for the fiascos he pulled' That's really harsh. The only worst thing that I have ever heard about an engineer was an assistant engineer who was asked to set up a listening tape for the first song that was recorded for Steely Dan's "Gaucho" album called "The Second Arrangement." Donald, Walter, engineer Roger Nichols and producer Gary Katz felt it was one the 5 greatest songs that the "band" had ever done. I think many music fans are aware of how fastidious Becker/Fagen were in a studio. They would have a session guitar player spend 24 hours recording a guitar solo, of which only half would be used on record. Well this assistant engineer apparently put the tape in the wrong way, and hit record, erasing 2/3 of the song. Everyone came back from supper ready to listen to find out that the tune had been basically wiped out. No one returned to the studio for days. They spent a total of $65,000 in 1979 money trying to record the song again, but they could never get it right, so they dumped it. The nasty sounding bootleg version of one of the retakes that's on youtube.com is not nearly as good as the original. Doesn't have horns and other essential parts. A small 2 minute snippet of the basic track from the original version that was wiped out is on youtube.com.
  23. I would be curious what he said about 1982....if you could transcribe or copy it and post that would be great.
  24. I have always owned the original version of the CD, but I recently bought the 2004 reissue. From Wikipedia: Does anyone know why all these massive changes were made? I would assume that Jimmy and Plant were involved in the decision making. It seems odd that these changes were made because Plant seems to look back on the Unledded project quite fondly. If they wanted a reissue, why not add a bonus disc with additional recordings to keep the authenticity of the original CD? I don't like it when artists go back in time and remix and re-sequence a classic album and then delete the old one so that fans can't have the original thing anymore. Kind of like what The Who did in the mid-1990's when they remixed all of their albums. Some of The Who tunes sounded drastically different to the original recordings.
  25. Got that one down. But why all the re-editing of songs, and the swapping of some songs for other ones......