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ThreeSticks

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  1. The time between Bonzo's passing and the early December 1980 announcement (however obscure the statement may have been) that Led Zep had disbanded is the subject of a lot of conjecture and rumors. If you listen to the surviving members nowadays, they will tell you that the decision to bust up was immediate. That the band couldn't have survived without Bonzo, and the decision to stop was immediate. They just wanted to wait a little bit before announcing it. However, I have heard in so many LZ documentaries over the years that various drummers ranging from Carmine Appice to Aynsley Dunbar were seriously rumored to be replacements...even to the point of rehearsals being scheduled. I can understand the temptation to tour because the band must have forked over a bunch of money to promoters for all the cancelled gigs on the North American tour. Do you feel that the decision to disband was totally immediate and unified, and do you feel that the surviving members seriously considered keeping it going but thought the better of it in the end?? I mean, the announcement that they put out in early December 1980 wasn't exactly a definitive statement that the band was done. It just said that they couldn't continue as they were. Well, or course not, nobody could replace Bonzo. But The Who said the exact same thing after Moon died....that they couldn't continue as they were....but that they would try to continue.
  2. I recently bought all of the 2-CD deluxe remastered reissues of the Led Zeppelin back catalog. By and large I was very pleased with the project. I find the sound on the CD’s to be better than the 90’s remasters, and I have enjoyed a good deal of the material on the companion discs. However, like many fans, I feel there were some things that they got wrong with the reissues series: Booklets – an opportunity lost. While it was wonderful to get new photos, I was extremely disappointed about the complete lack of new liner notes with the reissues. When The Who reissued their catalog in the 1990’s, the booklets were worth the cost of the CD itself. They were beautifully made with not only all the original artwork, credits and liner notes, but also new photos, details on each of the songs (including the bonus songs), and most importantly, liner notes penned by a reputable journalist (and sometimes by Townshend) about the making of the album, and its place in The Who’s career and contemporary music at the time. Led Zeppelin, more than any group in classic rock history, is shrouded in mystery. Almost all of the info we have on the band and their recording sessions come from sleazy sensationalist books. Since it appears as if no one in the band is ever going to pen an autobiography, why couldn’t these guys have gotten together and written something about the making of each album? They could’ve detailed how the songs were written. They could’ve shared details about the recording process, some fun things that may have happened during the sessions, their thoughts on the companion disc tracks, etc. What an opportunity lost. My biggest gripe with the reissues. Give me a font size that does require a microscope. There is a trend with many reissue campaigns to genuinely reproduce the artwork of the original LP into the CD casing and booklet. It’s not the same medium. If you want the LP artwork of Led Zeppelin III, buy the LP version of Led Zeppelin III. Look, I have pretty good vision, but I am at an age where I do need reading glasses. I absolutely cannot read the recording dates for the songs on the original “Coda” CD now even with reading glasses. Even the credits on the black background of all the CD booklets are hard to read. Companion Discs Not Expansive Enough. For the most part I didn’t have many major gripes with the companion discs, although some of the rough mixes, frankly, sounded just like the final mix to me. It’s just that there was room on all of these discs to include material that has already come out on bootleg. I understand Jimmy’s philosophy of making sure to include material that fans haven’t heard before, but there was still more than enough time on the “Physical Graffiti” disc to include “Swan Song” for instance, or even some of the rough rehearsal ideas like “Take Me Home.” Yes, fans can hear these songs on youtube.com or bootleg CD, but they would like to hear them in better sound quality. The “Coda” thing. I still don’t understand for the life of me why the two companion discs weren’t combined into one companion disc. It creates a situation where one of the discs in the “Coda” package has to be put in a place where it can easily get scratched, etc. It's a hassle with a single disc player to change out a disc that is only 30 minutes long. I'd rather just have it all on a 63 minute disc, thank you.
  3. There are a number of Led Zeppelin songs that are enormously complex in their arrangements. Tracks like "Ten Year's Gone," "Achilles Last Stand," "The Song Remains The Same," and "No Quarter" come to mind. Contrary to popular belief, I have heard several times that "Stairway" was actually written quite quickly. Over the years in various interviews, have the members of LZ ever referred to certain songs in the catalog that were very difficult to write and arrange? On a semi-related note, what songs were the most difficult to record? I know of one group who says that there is at least one song per album that just doesn't seem to want to get recorded....that the group has to do a million and one takes to get the song done, while another song might get finished with one take. I wonder if there some LZ songs that the band just had to work on again and again and again. "No Quarter" has always struck me as being one of those tunes, but I could be wrong.
  4. Unfortunately I don't have them, but I was hoping that some of you might have them. I have searched this forum, and I cannot seem to find very many from there eras: 1) I know it sounds morbid, but are there are any photos from Bonzo's funeral? 2) Are there any photos of the band or the individual band members in the first few months following Bonzo's passing? 3) What is the last known photo of Bonzo? 4) Any photos of the band recording "Presence" in Musicland Studios In Munich in 1975? 5) Any photos of the band rehearsing "Presence" in L.A. in 1975? 6) Any photos of the band recording "In through The Out Door" in Sweden in 1978? 7) Any photos of the band rehearsing "In through The Out Door" in Clearwater Castle in 1978? 8) Any photos of the band rehearsing for the planned 1980 North American tour at Bray Film Studios in Sep. 1980? 9) Any photos of Jimmy Page in 1978? 10) Any photos of Jimmy Page off stage in 1979 (doesn't include photos from Knebworth - like the famous helicopter shot. I have seen tons of off stage Knebworth pics)? 11) Any shots of Jimmy Page, off stage, in 1980, (doesn't include rehearsal pics for the European tour (I've seen tons of those)? Thanks a bunch. It just seems as though photos from these eras of the band are very hard to find.
  5. Nobody's Fault But Mine may not be one of my favorite LZ songs on record, but it is certainly one of my favorite LZ songs live in concert. Why? The guitar solo. I just absolutely love it when just before the solo Robert goes "jimmy, oh Jimmy, come on Jimmy, oh yeah Jimmy" or whatever variation Robert used to use from gig to gig. Imagine what used to go thru Jimmy's head before the solo when Robert was belting out his name. He must've felt like a soldier preparing for battle, a tiger preparing to attack it's prey, a boxer preparing to enter the ring, a sprinter jumping up and down before the 100 meter dash, etc. The anticipation of what's to come. How the audience is going to roar when the first note is hit. I would imagine that he felt such a sense of power in that moment. I don't know who came up with that idea for Robert to lead Jimmy into the solo like that, but was more powerful than any smoke bomb or laser beam effect I've ever seen at a concert. And it was something that the band could do even if it was playing a small club.
  6. http://rockmesexysquidward.tumblr.com/post/26318533123 This quote is one of the most revealing things that Jimmy has said in a magazine article. Quite personal. Do you know what magazine and edition this comes from. It's a photo from some article.
  7. "You" from the Ox as well. Great tune. Vicious bass playing. "Did You Steal My Money" is a silly song but one that many rock stars can relate to. The reference to being in a bear pit in "Cache Cache" is true. I guess Pete got so pissed and drugged one night that he passed out in a zoo. The remixed version of the CD is quite interesting because they cut way more tracks than they needed for the record. "I Like Nightmares" very much captures Pete's frame of mind at the time. Wait a minute, I guess we are on a Led Zeppelin fan forum...sorry Kind of a bad thing to do being that Pete T. hates Led Zeppelin (but likes the guys in the band). But he dislikes everything, so everyone gets the same treatment.
  8. That's a good one. Thanks a bunch mate. Don't copy. Right!
  9. I understand that, but like many people, I hate the sound of bootlegs. I mean, if it's the only thing available, I will take it. But part of the reason why I was slightly disappointed with the LZ reissues is that I wanted to get a version of "Swan Song" on CD in high fidelity. There was enough room on the Graffiti companion disc for its inclusion. By the way, I love "The Quiet One" from The Who. Bless the Ox. That song was one of the greatest live songs ever by The Who. Townshend's solos were among his best ever when that track was played live. Even during the 1980/81 tours when Pete was wasted.
  10. No problem. I just find it a startling revelation given Page's extreme tendency towards privacy. I am sure other posters would be interested in the rest of the quote as well and what he was talking about.
  11. It's funny....during this photo shoot the band changed clothes a few times (Bonzo, for example, changed into a long sleeve dress shirt) . There is also the famous shot where Robert pulled his pants down enough to slightly reveal, shall we say, his package. I would imagine he is not happy with the fact that the photo is circulating on the net.
  12. Speaking about the XYZ project, Page has talked over the years about putting some of that material out. But with Squire's passing, I don't know if it will ever occur. Plus, a couple of the XYZ ideas ended up in other places.
  13. 'Johns should have been hung, drawn and quartered for the fiascos he pulled' That's really harsh. The only worst thing that I have ever heard about an engineer was an assistant engineer who was asked to set up a listening tape for the first song that was recorded for Steely Dan's "Gaucho" album called "The Second Arrangement." Donald, Walter, engineer Roger Nichols and producer Gary Katz felt it was one the 5 greatest songs that the "band" had ever done. I think many music fans are aware of how fastidious Becker/Fagen were in a studio. They would have a session guitar player spend 24 hours recording a guitar solo, of which only half would be used on record. Well this assistant engineer apparently put the tape in the wrong way, and hit record, erasing 2/3 of the song. Everyone came back from supper ready to listen to find out that the tune had been basically wiped out. No one returned to the studio for days. They spent a total of $65,000 in 1979 money trying to record the song again, but they could never get it right, so they dumped it. The nasty sounding bootleg version of one of the retakes that's on youtube.com is not nearly as good as the original. Doesn't have horns and other essential parts. A small 2 minute snippet of the basic track from the original version that was wiped out is on youtube.com.
  14. I would be curious what he said about 1982....if you could transcribe or copy it and post that would be great.
  15. I have always owned the original version of the CD, but I recently bought the 2004 reissue. From Wikipedia: Does anyone know why all these massive changes were made? I would assume that Jimmy and Plant were involved in the decision making. It seems odd that these changes were made because Plant seems to look back on the Unledded project quite fondly. If they wanted a reissue, why not add a bonus disc with additional recordings to keep the authenticity of the original CD? I don't like it when artists go back in time and remix and re-sequence a classic album and then delete the old one so that fans can't have the original thing anymore. Kind of like what The Who did in the mid-1990's when they remixed all of their albums. Some of The Who tunes sounded drastically different to the original recordings.
  16. Got that one down. But why all the re-editing of songs, and the swapping of some songs for other ones......
  17. delete plz
  18. And what a beautiful version of "The Rain Song" it was as well. I think Jimmy was able to play that track with the original tuning that was on HOTH instead of the altered tuning he used to use on the double neck that required less string retuning. But I am just wondering why they did these massive changes. Does anybody recall if anything was said in the presser when the 2nd version of the CD came out??
  19. I honestly don't know if Plant even likes JPJ, and if Plant's dislike of him could've been the final nail in the coffin regarding his participation in the NO Quarter project. In Uncle Joe's Record Guide on Hard Rock Bands, it is mentioned that JPJ was not even scheduled to perform with Plant and Page at the rock and roll hall of fame ceremony, but some last minute, tense negotiations led to his inclusion in the jam. I think there is a rift between them.
  20. I have said for years that one of the worst decisions LZ ever made was not putting those tracks on a 3-song EP. Jimmy wanted to do it. I don't know why it didn't pan out. There was too much of a time gap between Presence and ITTOD. The EP would've keep LZ in the spotlight a bit more until the Knebworth shows. Plant loved "Wearing and Tearing" and wanted to put it out as a single as a challenge to the punks. I tend to like "Wearing and Tearing" and "Ozone Baby" quite a bit more than "Darlene," but all three were release-quality tracks.
  21. The most disappointing thing about the 1980's is that there were actually some very good bands that had potential to develop into something good if they had a Peter Grant like manager, but MTV and record labels absolutely destroyed their careers. They encouraged the bands to spend way more time on their videos and developing their image than focusing on their tunes and touring in the way that the 70's bands did it. I am never one to say that this generation or that generation's music sucks. I think that's pretentious. It's just that the record labels and business people have certain periods where they stuff crap down our throats and destroy anything that might have some potential. There are also bands and artists who refuse to buy into the B.S., and by doing so, get left behind. It's sad.
  22. I know, it's easy to get envious about a guy whose getting laid with a snap of his fingers, and so you want to find some way to put the guy down even though you secretly want what he's got. Plant was the definition of a rock star: all the chicks wanted to be with him, and all the guys wanted to be like him. If you've got those 2 things covered, your band is going to be popular. The fact that Plant is a highly intelligent person who is well versed in history, legends and mythology makes him all the more interesting.
  23. Could be just a warm up jam. For years I had been hoping that there was a studio version of "Fire," but the song must've been dumped before they went to Sweden. They never completed it. Plus, they already had too many tracks for the record anyway.
  24. Cole was supposedly in L.A. hiding because he was still scared that Peter Grant was on the look out for him for some of the things he had said about Grant's kids after Cole was canned. I still cannot imagine what Cole went through rotting in an Italian prison cell on some crazy terrorism charge and having to cold turkey at the same time. Unless the guards gave him dope in prison, we can only assume he had to kick in the most horrendous conditions, because he wasn't clean when he got arrested. Gees. Of course it took him several years to clean up for good.
  25. Does anyone know the first song that was recorded for each Led Zeppelin album? 1) Led Zeppelin I 2) Led Zeppelin II - I thought I had read somewhere "What is And What Should Never Be" 3) Led Zeppelin III - I thought I had read somewhere "Since I've Been Loving You" 4) Led Zeppelin IV 5) Houses Of The Holy 6) Physical Graffiti 7) Presence 8) In Through The Out Door