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Indeed, thank you Strider.
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Time for some Snootchie Bootchies , Jungle Love, and a good old fashioned fireworks show. I believe a bit of Nightfire OG and some Redwood for later should do the trick.
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Watching a Showtime series from 2006 - 2008 called Brotherhood. I just cannot get enough of those political / mob type shows I guess. This series takes place in Rhode Island and is centered around the Irish Mob and the state political machine.
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On 7/3/2017 at 9:36 AM, Walter said:
They are all so good - except the last season, Roanoke.
We have joined the modern world and have been binge watching Netflix. Orange Is The New Black, Shameless, Trailor Park Boys, etc.
Check out House of Cards, great show and with Kevin Spacey & Robin Wright you just cannot go wrong. Plus, the latest season hits very close to home if you know what I mean.
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5 hours ago, anniemouse said:
Thank you for letting me know that.
Again, sorry for the long winded explanation Annie. The reason I am aware of this is because when my loony uncle died in 91' he had an estate worth around 1.5 million, even though all of his clothes were from 1976 and he lived in a student apt complex two blocks down from UNLV that did not even have a phone. He did leave a will though, however we asked the probate attorney what would have happened had he died in testate and what he told me is what I passed on.
Happy day.
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6 hours ago, anniemouse said:
Was the rumour true that Bonzo left no will so maybe the band were in financial lockdown; it could explain the group sale and possibly the release of Coda.
Not sure how UK estate law works but in the States that would be considered "in testate." In such a case, dying without a will, if the estate is worth over $500,000 (this could have changed but was the amount when my uncle passed in 1991), would be placed into probate with a state trustee acting in steed. All assets are frozen for around six months as this is the time necessary to inform all possible claimants including debtors. Then, once all claims are received, the trustee goes over all accounts & claims and makes their determination. This is not as insidious as it sounds as in 99+% of such cases the state simply follows line of familial succession regarding the estate. The only thing dying without a will does is tie up the funds and proceeds a bit longer AND cost the estate a nice chunk of change. The state charges the estate for the cost of the trustee and probate vs. if one dies with a will and has a large estate the trustee is typically named in the will and it is trustee who sets up probate. Of course you still need to pay the bank for the costs of the probate but it is typically much less expensive than the state doing this.
So, long way around the barn, but, Bonham dying in testate would not have caused this situation and would have only affect his percentage of Zep. If anything, it could have caused the exact opposite to happen should the estate be contested. Most likely when Bonham died, with or without a will, everything would have been tied up and put to bed in less than a year. Plus, if there was no income, Pat could have simply applied to the trustee for a comfortable stipend during probate (this is common).
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15 hours ago, mstork said:
To be fair, Jimmy was entitled to a little larger cut than the others as Producer, what's wrong with that? You can't say this guy is one of the great producers in rock history (he is), and hold the opinion that he shouldn't get a little larger cut for that role now, can you? A producer can make or break a band and his value in that role to Zep is well documented.
Correct, but according to Curbishley Page received a greater share than the others when he sold his right's in the 80's because he was the producer. Thus, why should he get a second bite at the same apple? Sorry, but to me that does not seem fair. Curbishley did for Page & the boys what they could not do on their own, since Page received the larger payout originally, everything should have been split equally, four ways, going forward.
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4 hours ago, 76229 said:
The comments about Plant are intriguing in the extreme, especially given I believe what Curbishley says 100%, he's that kind of bloke.
I can understand his comments about being driven by not wanting to go back to where he was brought up. Life in Britain after the war was unbelievably grim and in the East End especially grim. I don't know the background in his case but can imagine his association with the Krays came about just by being around East End venues - the Krays had many interests in boxing and nightclubs. Interesting also that Don Arden backed down when confronted with Charlie Kray, shows he recognised when he was up against a genuine threat.
Great interview that paints a picture of what it was like in the industry back then. In the early days of rock and roll in Britain, talent managers tended to have come from the "disreputable" end of the London stage industry. And more than a few in the London music industry had connections to gangsters, I think it was Lionel Bart who introduced Grant to John Bindon?
What is really funny is Charlie Kray, the eldest of the Kray brothers, though also involved in the periphery of organized crime, did not involve himself in violence, unlike his younger siblings. Charlie was much more of a dandy and bon vivant and used the underworld as a means to an end and if it came to violence to achieve that end, Charlie would typically back down and use his natural charm or pursue another route. Most people really liked dealing with Charlie vs. his younger twin powder-keg brothers and that is why when the police essentially railroaded Charlie and sent him to prison in 97' most agreed it was a frame job. Ronnie & Reggie were psychotic killers who loved the whole underworld lifestyle and everything it brought. Charlie was for the most part a shady businessman with connections.
Either way, Charlie was connected so Curbishley using that connection was likely even more potent a threat than any physical threat someone like Peter Grant could ever muster. That is until Grant lost his mind and hired Bindon, another notorious East End gangster who ran with both the Kray Firm & the Richardson Firm during the 60's.
Either way, England was no different than the US in regard to the underworld running the music business in the early days. The Mafia ruled the American music business up until the 70's and the Brit's had to deal with the local Firms and their crap.
It was real dog eat dog, bugger em in the arse for musicians up until the 70's...the the corporations took over and buggered em twice as hard but with the backing of the law. Gotta love civility.
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5 hours ago, Boleskinner said:
Great find.
Thanks for sharing.
Looks like Curbishley made a shed load of money for Zep's surviving members in the 90s with that royalties deal.
They should be very thankful, and interesting that Plant, Jones and (Bonham's estate?) agreed to Give Page extra cash unofficially because he was producer.
Would love to know the point of principle that caused Curbishley to resign as Plant's manager.
Maybe Curbs was a West Brom fan ;-)
Sounds to me from the interview that Page & Plant fell out with Grant in the early 80's, likely due to the sale of publishing to Atlantic and his drug issues at the time. Think that the deal to sell the publishing may have been Grant's idea and after Page & Plant obliged they later had "sellers remorse" and blamed Grant. Regarding Plant's falling out with Curbishley, from what Curbishley stated, it appears Plant is all about Plant and everyone else is secondary. I also got a bit of a hint that maybe Plant has a rather duplicitous nature in regard to relationships both personal and business and thus Curbishley may have felt slighted somehow.
This is all conjecture of course but from what was both said and not said in the interview, that is what I came away with. Funny because I would not think Jimmy of all people would have held a grudge against Grant for a possible bad business deal due to Grant's drug problems at the time. After all, Jimmy was smacked out as well and is kinda blaming the kettle for being black. Now regarding Jimmy being pissed and firing Curbishley because he believed he should have gotten the lion's share of publishing...oh yeah, that right there is 100% Jimmy.
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7 hours ago, Brigante said:
Sounds like Williams has had a threat of legal action and his lawyers have told him that seeing as he actually did say that stuff, Jimmy's got him bang to rights, so grovel and retract.
Either that or Choronzon's had a word...
You bet, the UK has far stricter label and slander laws than the US, hence Williams apology. If Williams would have made that comment to US press, or made its way into US press I doubt Williams would have apologized.
This whole row between them never should have happened and I blame this whole thing on the local P&Z who it seems were paid off by Williams in order for Williams projects to be approved. The reason I say this is because this is a historical neighborhood of which in the past, no such improvements or modifications were ever approved due to the possibility of damage to surrounding homes (from my research that is). One of the reasons people buy historic homes is because they know the surrounding homes will remain as is to ensure the historic nature of the area. For the local P&Z to approve Williams projects runs counter to the very reason historic homes and neighborhoods are designated.
If the shoe were on the other foot my opinion would be the same, I have nothing against Williams personally and if it were Jimmy trying to pull this on Williams or the prior owner, Winner, I would be against Page's proposal.
What I just fail to grasp is why anyone would move into a historic home in a historic neighborhood and then wish to make such drastic changes and improvements which would run counter to the homes design and neighborhood history and charm.
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1 hour ago, Strider said:
Should I continue with the last three shows or have you had enough? There are only so many superlatives I can come up with...my vocabulary is running dry.
Continue Sir...Encore...Encore!!!
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2 hours ago, porgie66 said:
These are so great to see. Thanks for sharing them. This may sound silly but, first thing that came to mind since the pics of Bonzo are first is , how much older he looks to me than a man of 26.
Yes, Bonham always looked much older than his age even from the beginning. By this point he looks closer to his late 30's than a man of 26.
Great pictures Sam, thank you for sharing.
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3 hours ago, greengrass said:
wtf is all this squabbling about^^^ start another fuckin thread , entitle it - " I dont agree with you , Because"
Btw... My across the street neighbour died yesterday. Mean old bastard , 84 yrs old , one of those " Gran Torino " type old codgers , but i'll miss him. He once called my dog a shit machine LOL
So sorry to hear of the passing of your neighbor Green. Look at it this way, maybe Steve will move in and restore the balance.
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9 hours ago, SteveAJones said:
Let's cut to the chase. Your posts here make it clear you have pathological issues with all authority figures.
How so Steve? What I posted is historical fact, easily researched. Your response makes no sense and is akin to, "Hey....what's that over there..." being shouted during a game of three card monty.
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33 minutes ago, SteveAJones said:
Police are not trained to "shoot to wound" and rightly so.
Tasers are not as effective and reliable as you keep insisting they are. Google it. That said, when someone is brandishing a weapon the use of deadly force is authorized and, as far as I'm concerned, the appropriate response. Spare me the "protect and serve died two decades ago" bullshit. People were shouting "No Justice, No Peace" back in 1993 and burning cities down in 1967 over so-called police brutality. People complained about Wyatt Earp as well, for that matter.
Unlike modern police Earp never killed a man that was not actively trying to blow his head off with their own gun. Earp shot only one person before the infamous OK Corral incident, and that person shot at him first. Understand the difference? When a officer from the Wild West exercises more restraint than a modern law enforcement officer, I believe my point has been made.
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2 hours ago, Stryder1978 said:
It's called self-preservation. If someone comes at you with a knife, you are trained to stop them to save yourself. Only on silly TV shows and movies do you see people aiming to "wing" a perpetrator...... I can speak from experience having been an emergency responder for 14 years.
Then what is the reason & use of a Taser? Why are officers given Tasers if they are going to disregard it in such situations?
I have several cousins who are current police offices and uncles who are retired police officers. The fact is, what you describe is a very recent phenomenon. Prior to the early 2000's, a police officers was trained to use deadly force as a last resort option only. In fact the Taser was developed to deal with non-firearm related threats and the company which makes them has marketing videos & literature which strongly backs this up. When police began buying the units they did so for this express purpose. Only in the past 15 years or so have Tasers job changed from this idea to immobilize a perp with a knife, club, bowling pin, etc. to being used principally as a glorified cattle prod to torture citizens who are either too shaken up to respond to commands quickly or just "because."
The problem is police are now trained as a para-military force, us vs. them. Protect and serve died two decades ago, now the police have morphed into a street army where anyone not a cop is a potential threat to be neutralized.
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Rest in peace Flounder, you will be missed...
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On 6/2/2017 at 7:03 PM, nick2632 said:
Also got the U.K. 1971/11/16 show (only other show with Gallows Pole performed full other than Copenhagen 1971/05/03), and still can't believe what a great one that is.. That performance of Gallows Pole as the encore is absolutely blistering!!
To me THIS is what Zeppelin were all about, this right here encapsulates everything the band were all about. Here they take an acoustic tune, strip it down, reconstruct it as an electric version without compromising the intimacy and integrity of the original arrangement and it works brilliantly. What an amazing performance.
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21 hours ago, Strider said:
Studio tracks:
1. Good Times Bad Times and Dazed and Confused from the first album.
2. When the Levee Breaks from Led Zep IV.
3. Achilles Last Stand and Royal Orleans from Presence.
Live tracks:
I have been listening to the second Oakland show as of late and I really like this show. I think they played well from what I have listened to so far...best gig of the third leg?
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38 minutes ago, Tremelo said:
Your probably right, I mean that does make the remaining members of The Who callous. I imagine just quitting in the middle of a tour, there has to be repercussions on some level. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
Zep cancelled the September 75' - January 76' tour dates after Robert's accident. They cancelled the majority of the third leg of the 77' tour after Robert's son died. They cancelled the NA leg of the 80' tour after Bonham's death. Looks like it is not that hard to cancel a tour if one so desires.
I figure there is language in the contracts which allows release should a member die, after all, I don't think anyone would have expected The Who or any other band to continue a tour after a member dies.
Regarding The Ox, I guess if he wanted to retire and live it up in his swimming pool he could have saved and invested his money instead of wasting it all on coke & hookers.
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50 minutes ago, The Rover 75 said:
I'm going to have to completely disagree, to me everything post-Moon was shiite, to each their own.
I am glad our boys decided not to carry on without Bonzo. Never tarnished the legacy.
^+2. The Who without Moon was like Cornflakes without the milk. In Zep I believe the impact even greater.
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19 hours ago, Dallas Knebs said:
expensive ones.
Bonzo and Plant never escaped their pub roots as performers. Plant intimated this on numerous occasions.
Exceptional talent is not the same as virtuosity.
Page: His approach and presence are unmatched- his play sticky and cut.
Forever a skiffle-bot hence the safety of riff based music. Virtuosi have no need of plagiarism, Page did.
Plant: Squalling and bawling got in the way of some amazing compositions. Exceptional range early then not. Unmatched stage presence, star quality surpassed in rock only by Page. Passion & honesty cuts thru, does not equal virtuosity.
JPJ: Unbelievable versatility. Kinda vanilla though. Page/Plant tours did not miss him a bit. A virtuoso is known by what is missing when they are not present. Page/Plant did not miss him. Was sad to see. And unexpected. "Replacement" musicians were easily able to fill in which demonstrates my point. It hurt when I realized this.
Bonham: He is the most tasteful drummer I have ever watched, the most fun musician I have ever heard. A beautiful man and most memorable about him is his voice. A virtuoso no. On his dying day he was despondent over this very point. Much more was said, it was not an empty statement.wiki... The most notable virtuosi throughout history include Antonio Vivaldi, Niccolò Paganini, Franz Liszt, Frédéric Chopin, Sigismond Thalberg, Charles-Valentin Alkan, Anton Rubinstein, Hans von Bülow, Carl Tausig, Ferruccio Busoni, Emil von Sauer, Leopold Godowsky, Sergei Rachmaninoff, Josef Hofmann, Vladimir Horowitz, Jorge Bolet, Georges Cziffra, Raymond Lewenthal fgfdg
I will have to disagree here to a point, however if you are comparing a modern rock musician to a classical musician, well, you just can't. Paganini practiced for upward of 12 hours a day every day and most of the classical composers listed did the same or even more extreme regiments. That being said, though Paganini was indeed a virtuoso, his playing becomes boring as hell within five minutes. I went to a Paganini recital back in the 90's and just about fell asleep. Just run after run after scale after scale after trill, repeat. Yes it was incredibly difficult to play, but it also lacked passion and melody. Out of all those you listed the ones I would consider not only virtuosi but also damn fine composers and presenters of music would be Chopin, Liszt, Vivaldi, Rachmaninoff, and Busoni. However that is just my opinion.
To each their own but in the world of rock musicians from the 60's & 70's yes, Bonham, Page and Jones would be considered virtuoso musicians within that genre. Though regarding JPJ I would include him as a virtuoso even among the classical as well. Reason being, besides being a classically trained musician, I suggest you look up the YouTube video's of his solo performances which is where he really shines. He did some great stuff in Zeppelin but even his best work in Zeppelin pales compared to his solo works and performances.
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Bonzo is considered in the top three of rock drummers so yes, he was a virtuoso.
JPJ can play multiple instruments perfectly and on the 77' tour frequently played passages of Bach, Rachmaninoff, Ray Charles, and other virtuoso composers and played these passages perfectly. So yes, he was / is a virtuoso and I would argue he was more so than Rick Wakeman.
Page played very, very fast runs and used several different scales while playing, he did not limit himself to the Pentatonic or blues Pentatonic like many believe, especially post 72'. He also incorporated numerous styles, was a unique composer and producer as well. His drug usage and how that affected his playing has nothing to do with his ability as a composer and player in general. Again, this would make him a virtuoso.
If people are comparing, especially Page, to post-70's shredders to dictate weather one is a virtuoso or not is unfair. If one uses the bar of technique alone than almost every single pre-late 70's guitarist would not qualify and that includes such luminaries as Hendrix, Green, Lee, Montrose, and Hackett. After all, if they cannot sweep pick and play a 1,000 note per minute solo...not a virtuoso?
Not being snarky but I would like to know what exactly constitutes a virtuoso if players such as Page, Jones, & Bonham do not qualify?
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9 hours ago, SteveAJones said:
Of course IpMan blames society. Yes, no personal responsibility to see here folks.
I guess you failed to read the first half of the first sentence in your rush to judgment.
Star Trek
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I believe you are correct Jerry, she is wearing a poker face if I have ever seen one and it sure looks like a bad romance to me...