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On 5/1/2017 at 6:43 PM, zepscoda said:
Scott Glenn on the Leftovers last night was magnificent!
Great show, why...Scott Glenn. The guy who plays the main character really sucks IMO, just walks around with a stupid, confused look most of the time. That guy is the shows weakest link.
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On 4/24/2017 at 8:55 PM, apantherfrommd said:
Rest In Peace... my Dad. Nov 193x-April 2017
Korean War Vet. Work in Fort Meade from 1970-1980. Worked for D.O.D. at the Pentagon from 1980 to 2002. Ran an office there. Briefed generals on surveillance. Survived 9/11.Requested by the Pentagon to come back and work as a private contractor 2003-2007.
Loved the Rolling Stones. Couldn't get enough Robert Plant/ Alison Krauss Raising Sand.
Favorite Zeppelin song - The Song Remains The Same
I'm going to miss his laugh most of all. RIP. ROCK ON FOREVER!Loved Plant, but thought Jimmy Page was incredible!
Andy,
I am so very sorry for your loss, I know how much your dad meant to you. My prayers go out to both you and your father.
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Sean,
Have you checked out the boot from April 9th? I was very surprised at the quality as the sound is very good. The show, though truncated, was a good one actually and Jimmy played very well. Whatever was wrong with him seemed to focus him (except when he did SIBLY out of order from the setlist and played solo for a minute until the band joined in). Even Ten Years Gone is an excellent version except for the first solo of which there is none, only Jones playing acoustic. I believe this is the point where Jimmy almost collapsed. He then joins back in and finishes the song with a brilliant b-bender solo. What I find strange is the following show of the 10th was another very strong, excellent show, except he screwed up the first solo (TYG) yet the end solo again was beautiful. I wonder what it is about the first solo which Jimmy had such a problem with as this is the only part of the song he consistently messed up (about 50% of the time) whereas the more complicated outro solo he always nailed. I can play the first solo pretty much note for note off the album version however there is no way I can't even try the outro solo with any success. I can wing it but to be honest I have found it quite difficult to pull off a good, fluid, well articulated solo with a b-bender yet Jimmy always made it sound beautiful and fluid. Then again I never really studied and practiced with a b-bender very much but players who do have told me they are very difficult to play successfully in the manner Page and other players do. It takes much practice and patience.
I really like the 77' tour. Of course in retrospect its easy to say, oh they should have done this or not done that but it was what it was and it was still damn good. Anyway, I don't think I have ever been to any concert that I did not walk away and think the band should have played a different song or two. I remember seeing the Cure years ago and leaving pissed off because they did not play Disintegration. WTF??? The band should have KNOWN that was my FAVORITE song and played it because it is all about ME!!!
Humans, we are a picky, selfish bunch.
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1 hour ago, Silverseas said:
U must be one ugly bastard. Plant looks like shit in every era. Bad teeth (he's English), crappy evertything. Just nasty in general. The English have always tended to be gross in hygiene. Pretty much like in the southern USA
I am assuming this is satire because very few can attain such a pinnacle of doucheness. This is some zen master level asshole shit.
Oh crap...Donald Trump...is that you?
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1 hour ago, jsj said:
I listened to again recently for the first time in 15 years maybe. I enjoyed it a lot and think it stands the test of time. the only other Plant album I enjoyed as much was Fate of Nations. I remember when I first got it thinking that Robbie Bunt's guitar playing in Slow Dancer was very reminiscent of Page's, but only on that song. Otherwise the man has his own style and sound going on
Yes, they approach the instrument very differently and IMO their sound is nothing alike. Blunt really likes the clean, single-coil Strat tone and takes his time with his solo's. Kinda reminds me of a cross between Clapton & Knopfler in his approach. I really like Blunt's playing in general.
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1 hour ago, Mook said:
You should see the rows on the smooth jazz forum I go on.
They make this place look like mums.net.
Ha, I can see it now:
Jazz Fan #1: Coltrane is god
Jazz Fan #2: Screw Coltrane, Parker pounds his ass...
JF#1: BLASPHEMY!!! I will KEEELLLLL YOU!!!!
Moderator: Screw both of you guys, Kenny G is the alpha & the omega...both of you tools are banned.
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18 hours ago, LedGirl said:
Robert's look completely stagnated between 1972 and 1977, his hair and stage apparel stayed exactly the same, so if I see a concert still of him from that period I have no way of knowing what year it's from, whereas that's not the case with Jimmy.
Spot on, after all, you can easily know exactly what year and tour was on by simply looking at Jimmy's evolving (devolving) look from 68' - 75'. Of course it is very easy to know if it is pre or post-75' Jimmy from the dramatic weight loss and dead eyes in 77', then his bad teeth from 79' & 80'. Talk about a guy who went from one extreme to the other!
Regarding Robert, I must disagree as it is very easy to tell what year / tour it is by what old Robert is wearing, and, his new grill he had by 75'. Pre 75' Robert did not smile too much due to his teeth but from 75' on he was always smiling in pictures.
AS I pointed out earlier, yes Robert could be a bit foppish, especially in 73', but I believe it was just a trend of the times, the glam era. Bowie was doing this, Mercury and Elton John were doing this, and Jagger, holy shit, that guy could out fop Perez Hilton. Also, as for guys wanting to be more Page than Plant, the opposite is actually true in regard to musicians looks in the mid-70's. Who did Frampton try to look like...Plant. Coverdale? Rob Halford? Lou Gramm? Sammy Hagar? Even Billy Joel donned the Plant look early in his career when in the band Attila. I would say it was more like 50 / 50, most guys could go either way. Me, I was more of a Page guy because I play guitar, but also, Plant was so damn good looking I looked upon his as an unattainable goal, just unreal.
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1 hour ago, No Quota said:
I've always kinda liked the 80's version with Munich at the top of my list. For those who like the solo, you get two for one on this tour and this one has a meloncholy blues and a sadness that is unique.
http://starship.jpn.ph/zeppelin/beauty/disp/boot.jsp?R_idx=74
Great version and great sounding boot. Too bad those dopes slow-clap in the beginning otherwise it would be perfect. Your right about the melancholy feel. They all really let it bleed on this one and Plant sounds really good, but also pained. Beautiful.
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2 hours ago, porgie66 said:
Really?! The sticky fingers are omnipresent thought 75 and 77. Also his ideas don't flow as smoothly...clearly drugs and booze were affecting his playing. It's amazing that he could largely pull off all the demands of being the guitar section every gig for 3 hours at a time but he is constantly clamming notes and chords. I think many Zep fans have rose colored ears when it comes to Plants singing post 72 and Pages playing post 73. This is why I don't get too excited anymore about another soundboard tape from 75 or 77. They highlight the slop which is always there, to a greater or lesser extent. I'm not saying they're bad shows , I'm strictly referring to the detail of Jimmys guitar work and Plants voice cracking. I'm hard pressed to find one soundboard show that doesn't highlight these problems from 75. The audience tapes mask the shortcomings. That's why I prefer the audience tapes to the boards, especially the Millard tapes. Soundboards are like fluorescent ugly lights turned up bright.
I could not agree less in regard to 75' and Crimson was spot on in assessment. Yes, Jimmy had a small (very small) fluency problem in some shows in 75', likely due to the broken finger, but his work as a whole was brilliant in 75'. Have you listened to his NQ playing from the May 23rd show? He never did the solo (or guitar in general) like that before or after. His use of the Strat on that song was one of the best decisions Page ever made and he really should have stuck to it. One of Jimmy's best live solo's hands down. The weak link in 75' was Plant and in fact IMO Plant's performances were downright embarrassing for many shows. Why they did not postpone the tour for at least a month I have no clue but it should have been done. AS much as I love the instrumental work in Four Blocks in the Snow, I just cannot handle Plant's shit voice, he completely ruins every song he sings except for songs like NQ where his vocal range does not matter.
Also, to say Plant's voice was not good in 77' is a strange assessment. He does his best singing since 72' on this tour and would never sound so good again...this was the last of Plant in his Golden God persona and capability. Jimmy in 77' was capable of reaching his pinnacle of playing ability, playing the most ambitious and dexterous of his career, the problem was is three songs later in the same show he would just as likely fall into seven year old picking up dad's guitar for first time mode. Sticky fingers??? More like fingers caught in strings. Therein is the paradox which is Page live in 77'. Well, not really a paradox, just his need for a good high vs. his need for a quality, consistent performance. Page proved time and again he had the chops and the ability in 77', he just did not give a shit which is both unfortunate and selfish IMO.
No rose colored ears there, honest assessment.
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Sorry, don't buy the food poisoning excuse just because of know behavioral patterns however, anything is possible.
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4 hours ago, Dirty Work said:
Fun fact: Jonesy plays the Hammond for the last time (to my knowledge) in San Diego 6/19/77. Not the best gig, Jimmy and Bonzo either just woke up or hadn't slept in a week, or luudes... Still a hot show, Plants voice is awesome.
Jimmy sounds fine but Bonzo...WTF??? He is so far behind the beat he could be the janitorial staff. That has got to be the slowest version I have ever heard of any Zep tune. I have never heard Bonzo play so slow, sluggish, and laborious. Robert does sound great though.
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That is a really hard choice because for me there are two completely different versions of this song. The version where Jones plays Hammond and the version where he plays grand piano and the two sound, and are approached very differently by the band. Some of Jones piano work in those latter versions is brilliant and he works as a co-soloist against Page. However the versions on Hammond are typically more haunting.
Tough call...too tough.
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Prince was, without a doubt, the single most musically talented human being on the face of this earth since Mozart. What an incredible prodigy, and, he played a mean ass game of basketball as well.
That being said, that Johnson guy was one seriously sketchy dude. Saw that interview with him at Paisley Park from last year and the guy came across as a serious creep and general asshole. The reporter was very gracious and carefully worded every question in the most respectful manner possible yet this guy's answers were purposely antagonistic, sarcastic, and rather nasty.
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52 minutes ago, zepscoda said:
Bwhaaaa...Hail to the KING baby !!!
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On 3/22/2017 at 3:20 AM, Brigante said:
Thinking about it, this piece only says that Jimmy's active discussions 'may be' about Led Zeppelin. Which means that, equally, they 'may not be'...
Quantum Paradox? Schrodinger's Cat???
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3 hours ago, 76229 said:
10th April '77, the legendary "Stormtrooper outfit" show. You are indeed a lucky dog, if you'd chosen the previous night to go, then....!
Actually, I was 9 so I did not choose shit. My cousin Tom who is 20 years older than me is a big Zeppelin fan...also a big opera fan as well, funky. Anyway, it was Easter Sunday and the extended family were over for early supper (2pm). Once the festivities wound down around 6pm my cousin takes my parents aside and talks to them for about 30 seconds. He then comes up to me and my 14 year old brother and asks us if we would like to go to a show with him at the Chicago Stadium. Of course we said yes but we also did not know what we were going to see (in those days asking such a question was considered impolite...you don't look a gift horse in the mouth). Once we got in the car he told us the show we were going to. Both me and my brother were massive Zeppelin fans and this was the first concert for both of us. Talk about a concert to lose your "concert virginity" to. Needless to say with the bar set so high from the outset I was never truly satisfied with any live act again. Of course from 1980 to the present I have seen hundreds of shows and dozens of bands. Only attended a handful of bad shows so I feel I am fortunate indeed. But that first show, a Zeppelin show to boot, was the best damn concert I have ever seen. Even the Blue Man Group or Cirque du Soleil cannot compare. Hey, think of the possibilities...Zeppelin performing painted all blue, a giant baby in the background, and some jackass on a bicycle on a high wire. Kinda like Celine Dion meets Zeppelin. Damn I am a genius.
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35 minutes ago, Mithril46 said:
I just want to point out, something about Jimmy's playing and health/appearance which may not be mentioned much.
Supposedly up to about 71' , 72', Jimmy made a determined effort to practice 3 hrs a day. You can quite easily trace
Jimmy's dexterity going quite clearly down noticeably from 75' on. Substance downfall, yes, but I really doubt Jimmy
was 75' on practicing regularly let alone hours a day. Possibly spending much time turning a studio track into a workable
live version, sure. Also many musicians who do a lot of heroin still play well if they keep up their practice. Another
conundrum is Jimmy's stomach troubles, it got to the point where he was blending banana daiquri's with vitamins
and protein powder. Any doctor will tell you such a regimen cannot substitute for real food, it's a bit comparable
if you're in a hospital very ill and being fed IV, you'll lose weight. Stupid to put in the alcohol of course, and certainly
some heroin addicts can get pretty thin. But of course there isn't much fact to be found here. Like at Knebworth, Page
was still too thin, but facewise he IMO looked healthy. Even Nick Kent said so.
Jimmy's dexterity was spot on during most of 75', especially the March US gig's and most of the Earl's Court run. Check out NQ from May 23rd. Jimmy's playing blows the 73' TSRTS NQ away and has become my favorite version of the song. 77' - 80' I agree, he was hit or miss and inconsistent but I do blame it more on the drugs vs. lack of practice. The reason being you don't go from amazing technical dexterity on IMTOD & SIBLY and then take a massive dump all over a simple tune like SA due to lack of practice. To me that sounds like the ebb and tide of a drug high to me. Coherent enough to take care of business and then out of it to where he could not find the damn fretboard. Then there is the fact that some of Jimmy's most brilliant, technical, and perfect soloing live is indeed done from 77'- 80', however there are serious turds spread liberally throughout as well. Seems like drugs to me more than anything.
Regarding the stomach issues...again, most likely heroin related as opioids cause constipation and cramping.
I am a lucky dog as every time I saw Jimmy is was brilliant and the stuff of legend. Completely lived up to the hype. I saw him with Zep on April 10th 77' in Chicago, in 85' with the Firm, 88' as a solo artist, 95' & 98' with Page & Plant.
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I have no doubt Jimmy would have continued in excellent form had Robert kept the machine going. However it still would have ended, at least for a good year or more in late 2000 when he suffered back problems and had to stop touring (Black Crowes)
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On 2/23/2017 at 5:56 PM, jasonlovesvids said:
I agree - they could have stayed faithful. If they wanted to screw every slut while out on the road then they could have divorced and just been a free agent. Of course Jimmy wasn't married but had a child with a lady so he was committing to her on some level.
i was sorta surprised to hear how much Aubrey got around. She isn't mentioned much with the other groupies like Sweet Connie, Pamela, etc. I've never read anything about her so to hear she travelled with the Stones, Kiss, etc. surprised me but maybe it shouldn't have.
Robert was as much of a dog as anyone but seems to at least these days to respect the ladies that were in his life back then, like Michelle Overman (see her on YouTube). But he still can't commit- he was crazy about Patty Griffin for a few years but must have grew tired cause he up and left her, saying he wanted to go home and hang out at the corner pub.... and she is a fabulous lady (trust me). So he'll probably grow old alone and that is sad.
Speaking of Maureen - RP had a baby with her sister, Shirley, jeez how low class is that to screw your ex sister in law. That is some low crap. And who is surprised RP or JP didn't have any children with any of these road girls? I am.
I agree completely with the last part regarding the weird love triangle and how that shit just ain't right. Robert's damn lucky he did not wind up like John Wayne Bobbitt.
Regarding your first paragraph however I have to disagree. I believe most people when ultra-successful become ego-centric dicks to a certain degree, especially when it comes to indulging in life's varied pleasures. Of course they could have been faithful and acted like the boy's from Rush while on the road but Geddy, Alex, & Neal are the exception, not the rule. Damn, the bible belt, conservative christian country stars of the 60's & 70's were getting more road tail then the rockers were. I am sure there was a bit of a quid pro quo between these successful musicians and their wives...as long the the guys brought home lots and lots of bacon, and they kept their dalliances on the down low, all was good to go. I am not saying every musicians marriage is structured like this but most, yes. I know this for fact because I am the friend of a very famous guitarists ex-wife. I will not name names as I respect the man and his ex-wife, and he is currently still recording and touring in both a popular 70's era band and with his own group. The bottom line is most of these musicians wives knew exactly what was going on, all they typically asked of their famous men is that they did not flaunt their encounters and to keep that shit out of the press at all costs.
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On 2/23/2017 at 6:10 PM, jasonlovesvids said:
I'm sorry but this is a load of crap. I was around in the 70's.
I guess that would depend on ones experiences. Your's were obviously different but you have no right to discount the experiences of others just as they have no right to discount yours.
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33 minutes ago, Mithril46 said:
Some know this, some don't. When Zep was inches away from a worldwide tour in ( 91' ?) almost positive Plant wanted
Scott Gorham from Faith No More as drummer. Plant actually said at one point of Jason( around that time) "He's not that
good". Gorham was no Bonzo but was a first rate very versatile drummer. Not trying to knock Jason, but at that
almost reunion tour , judging a bit from the Outrider tour with Jimmy, Jason occasionally played near his father's
level, but overall maybe just above average at most. He also may have been a liability due to the drug/ alcohol
problems he had. Possible spelling mistake, Gorham, or Gorman ??
I have never heard anything along those lines. Zep touring in 91' or any other time post 80' I never heard. Even after the O2 gig when expectations were high Plant nixed that pretty much ASAP. Where did you hear this?
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8 hours ago, Dane1968 said:
I think Hendrix's death was anything but accidental. And I did not mean he did himself in. "Apparently" his lungs had a litre of red wine in them, therefore he unofficially drowned. It is pretty much impossible to breathe in that much liquid without coughing it back up. At the worst you would suffocate by not being able to breathe. Clapton's reaction was that he was immediately pissed off at losing a talent as such, then thinking of himself as a selfish bastard for thinking as he did. Sorry I was not clear.
It is a fairly common selfish reaction when you lose a loved one, that you immediately think of what you yourself have lost, and not of the deceased person having lost any possible future. People are not always as selfless as society would have us try to believe. I don't see that a a deliberate fault, but a natural involuntary human reaction. Then you would of course forget about yourself and think oh no, he could have had such a great life, and his family... About the worst thing ever for anyone to experience.
I agree wholeheartedly with this, the evidence has always pointed toward foul play in the death of Hendrix.
Regarding Bonzo's death, the only logical course was to call it a day, and I would mean that even if it had happened in 73'.
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2 hours ago, SteveAJones said:
Fair enough that you like it, but as with most of Halfin's shots I find it too "staged" and "static".
Have to agree with your assessment of Halfin's work, it generally lacks any life or spontaneity.
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7 hours ago, SteveAJones said:
Guest singer singer Josh Kennedy from the warm up band the Black Moods...reading the fucking lyrics on his phone!?
The Black Moods opened for them in Flag as well, a really great band and very nice, humble guys. I spoke to the bass player and Kennedy after their set and you could not expect two guys to be nicer or more accommodating to the fans.
What show or live song are you listening to now?
in Led Zeppelin Live
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