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  1. I thought it was a syncopation change up, and I've run into this on other songs. The intro is odd too, but I think the slapback echo was purposely set a little off kilter to make things more interesting. Remember the live 73' Celebration Day intro, that's dropping a beat or adding a dotted eighth (?!$&?!!!!). Well Zep was very creative, but don't understand why Candy wasn't played in 77'.
  2. I am perplexed. Saturday Night Live Brian Setzer played guitar, but Robbie Blunt was nowhere to be found. So who actually besides Plant was in this "Honeydrippers"? I know on Plant's tour there was a "Honeydrippers" set, with his band mates partially at least. But the two shows mentioned, wasn't that kind of "house band" stuff ?
  3. Yeah, absolutely. Also the studio version had that “Hawaiian” descending chord, whereas live IMO Jimmy sounded like he was playing a dulcimer at times. Or not necessarily a guitar, some other stringed instrument. I think that this approach of quite different sounding live and studio versions was one of the main reasons Page was often head and shoulders above his contemporaries in terms of maintaining audience interest. Actually even Stairway live Jimmy was playing Celtic licks not really on the studio version.
  4. Perhaps ignored, but although very important as far as availability, the 4/27 show makes Jimmy look very unsteady playing wise. I have one of the 4 LP box sets, and at first I thought there may be speed problems, but a friend had the same soundboard but a different label. The 4/28 show is much better performance wise, although I wouldn’t call it a great quality audience tape. It’s listenable for sure but my version there is some uneven instrument levels. I haven’t heard recent remasters blah/blah but many times a bootlegger may clean up a show, but unfortunately also castrate the Zep Blitzkrieg.
  5. Stupid question, but how could you tell a fake ? A while back I bought the black 77’ shirt, a Hanes shirt, I’ve washed it at east 5-6 times. Usually bad counterfeit clothes don’t even have the right “cut”. and get holes and start to fade quickly..
  6. Right, 72’ for sure, yet it’s not clear what shows exactly Eddie saw. 77’, even the good to great shows, there are still patches where Jimmy doesn’t hit the full chord, some notes don’t ring clearly, etc. Think first impressions......not many 77’ shows does Jimmy pull off the solos well in TSRTS. Maybe out of tune a bit, but not a good way to start. Especially to other musicians. I agree that Eddie has a chip on his shoulder, but as good as Van Halen could be live, Zep was a lot more broad and adventurous live. Eddie was adventurous, but the rest of the band was pretty good, not virtuosos
  7. Perhaps he was dancing with the white lady.. And the White lady is very possessive and controlling. Then again I’m pretty sure Jimmy threw( or someone else) a birthday party for him, yet he never showed up. Perhaps a snowstorm blocked his way. AaAAA, who knows.
  8. Page, such a complex character. By 78’ or 79’, a totally dissolute junkie, yet at the same time rounded up the Scottish laddies in the vicinity of Phillip’s Harbour to keep the area “historic” and preserved. Also to play cricket can be strenuous, which Page loved. Jimmy actually was quite instrumental in that Harbour project, I don’t think anybody would listen to him if he was mumbling and in need of support to speak from the podium. This thread is about the project, obviously, but also to some extent shows Jimmy could be far more together than you would imagine.
  9. Also Jimmy always praised Eddy, Jimmy even said in one interview he tried to play like Eddie, but couldn’t. Interestingly enough he had a lot of insight about Eddie’s style, he said it sounded like Eddie had classical piano training, a very adept Mr.Page. Either Jimmy was playing a in joke or something but Jimmy claimed he only first heard of Eddie in 1983. I don’t care how wasted for years on end Jimmy was, nobody ever played Van Halen or one of Eddie’s volcanic solos for Jimmy ?? Hysterical. On a side note, Eddie was a big Clapton fan while in Cream, but said his own style was far more reckless and more Pagelike.Although Eddie thought Jimmy was too sloppy live, but was excellent in the studio.
  10. One more tip of the hat to Jones. As the years go by, more and more amazing Zep parts actually came from Jones. Page sounds cool on the live version opening anyway, but facts are facts.
  11. IMO, whether you actively listened to Steve Cropper or not, an enormous amount of R&B, Soul, and Rock guitarists were influenced by Steve Cropper. Technically speaking his style wasn’t difficult to figure out finger wise, but getting his groove wasn’t always easy. It does help to have a good Tele and a tube Fender amp, but actually Page managed( and others) to play many of those licks with a Les Paul going thru a clean Marshall. Many of Steve’s licks are still used today, you can slot them into so many styles, even Hip-Hop for example. Another player with that twangy Tele sound but far more complicated( entire guitar tuned up to F#)) is Curtis Mayfield, who probably influenced Cropper himself.
  12. Thanks for all efforts. Why wasn't the wah-wah pedal mentioned ?? Also depending on who you talk to the Tonebender series , Jimmy may have used actually a SoulBender, but as I remember, many companies reissued various versions of what Jimmy supposedly used. Of course this is highly subjective, but I will say many of those pedals helped you get a Page sound, I've tried some of them. Of course a pedal alone will never be enough, you must learn solos, riffs, learn songs and ideas by artists who influenced Jimmy.
  13. I have to differ. When Jimmy was in the Firm, both US tours, Jimmy was pretty erratic soloing, but strangely enough he didn't play sloppy at all on rhythm guitar or riffs. I saw him in 86' almost front row center, he was a bit bloated and likely very drunk. He actually looked somewhat dejected, and only smiled at the encores. But 88' Outrider was much different, there really weren't many bad shows, the shows I saw Jimmy had 90% of his technique back. Also not sloppy. For some strange reason many fans consider the Outrider tour and even the P/P shows as pretty bad regarding Jimmy's playing. Very odd, have any critics or fans actually listened to these shows ? The 98' P/P tour Jimmy played very close to his peak in Zep, but obviously it's not Zep. Also some people don't know or realize that Jimmy at times could be a very nervous person, and so nervous this could affect his performance. Hard to imagine, but true.
  14. This is a excellent topic. With many angles. One example, after 75', no more D&C. Perhaps the band grew tired of it, but it's also possible that Page was not up to it. At least the 25 min+ versions. And then songs that were attempted live but were shadows of the studio versions.Dancing Days, The Ocean( sometimes good, but overall not jelling), When The Levee Breaks, The Wanton Song,,Four Sticks,etc. It's also so interesting that with an elaborate stage presentation, starting much stronger in 75', the song selection simply had to be locked in pretty strongly. I think that before 73' things were far more fluid and you never knew what was coming, even though back then there were setlists as well, but not hammered down like 77' for example. As a side note I always thought the 80' Europe tour could have had much better song choices. But Jimmy and Bonzo, probably noticed by Plant and Jones, maybe simply weren't up to mastering other Zep tracks which weren't played live before. Well, that's my two cents.....
  15. Going again to JPJ, starting in the studio, Page could not have achieved what he did without JPJ. Each member totally indispensable, sure. But staring maybe 10-15 years ago, It really started to be known that stuff claimed by Page as his, JPJ actually contributed far more than is known. After Zep, Page had two things disappear which really showed up in his solo career. Bonham is the first thing, Bonham laid down a huge bed for Page to play in. Page struggled with this pretty much till the time until his by default retirement after the last Zep show in 07'. Then JPJ would fill in the blanks for many songs, and according to many sources Page rarely walked into the studio with a completel composition. Tunings are great creative tools, and I knew and played all the Zep tunes with tunings. The big problem is having to haul around 5-6 guitars because of the tunings. As far as composition, JIimmy said he talked or questioned many musicians about their creative process. He found out there isn't any set way. And Jimmy has said the same......no real rules. And yes Page mainly played an acoustic at home, often in alternate tunings.
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