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Oh man, where to start? But I'll warn you, if you can't put yourself in the time and place, and appreciate the attitude of the era, it all sounds like hokey music played in cartoons. If you can do that, then you'll see why the music between 1920 and the late 40s was probably the most sophisticated era of popular music. Tommy Dorsey for one, had one of the best swing/jazz band's ever. Also featured a young Buddy Rich. If you've never watched Cab Calloway put on a show then you have no idea what live energy is. A rock show has nothing on these guys. Jelly Roll Morton was also great. And the good thing about this era is that not only are the musicians absolutely top notch, they also play with more feel and character than just about any other musical realm. That's what Swing and Big Band was all about, conveying emotion and excitement through music. Drummers? You've seen nothing from any rock band that compared to the 30s and 40s swing drummers. They were ridiculous. Blues? That era was the pinnacle of original, down and dirty Delta blues. Son House, Charlie Patton. These were the guys everyone else tried to imitate. People like Robert Johnson actually cleaned it up and streamlined it, but that old stuff has all the soul.

Big band, blues, jazz. There are artists from the twenties that make Zep sound like Justin Bieber. A lot of people are too musically shallow to grasp it, unfortunately.

The last what? Breath he takes? Dude is old. On the bright side, it's important to remember that Page sat on those phenomenal 72 tapes for thirty years, even choosing to release the BBC tapes first just to spite bootleggers. There's no telling what he's got stored away.

I strongly disagree with that. I've listened to the countless drum solos over the years and more often than not, Bonham sounds more like someone trying to imitate a jazz/swing solo than actually owning it. A lot of them were repetitive snoozefests. He may imitate and incorporate swing and jazz, but he's realistically missing the character and dynamics. But, it's getting to the point where I feel like I'm just bashing the guy while all I'm trying to do is defend my "controversial opinion" that no one can accept. So, I'm done. For some reason I had expected some open mindedness, but that was foolish on my part.

The fanboys are the ones who won't admit any fault whatsoever even when the evidence is in front of them.

Me either, but the version on the remastered HTWWW is pretty awesome. Excellent guitar tone for once.

Go watch a few proper jazz and swing drummers and you'll realize Bonzo did little more than steal their beats and add muscle to them to sound more impressive in the rock world. But on a technical proficiency level, he was a few notches below. I can't make you understand truly sophisticated drumming techniques, but this is true. The "Fool In The Rain" beat is nothing more than a Purdie shuffle played in a pop context. (What's that? Bonham "borrowed" riffs too?) Now with that said, you need to understand my original comment. In no way shape or form am I discrediting what Bonzo did and achieved. I'm just saying that I get tired of the fanboys talking about his "complexity" when I know by mind and heart he was only complex to rock fandom. Outside of that, he wouldn't stand a chance. And yes, he dominated the rock world with amazing grooves, syncopation, and heavy handed technique. But I will always stand by my opinion that despite all that, he was stiff as a board.

I also timestamp his good playing. Guess you missed that. This was in response to my criticism. I wasn't the one getting upset in a "controversial opinions" thread. I can answer all day long, but the fanboys won't recognize truth. Get out with that bullcrap. You're honestly so daft that you think I'd spend hours a day listening to bootlegs, listening to every single note played, and marking both the good and bad just to troll people in a specific forum about a specific band? Oh wait, just like the other person you can't see past you're nose. Sounds like you're just a little upset at some honest critique.

Ok, listen up. GO BACK AND READ THE TITLE OF THIS THREAD. I just don't know about this over sensitive generation.

Yes, but Bonham fans tend to get their panties in a wad.

Just to balance my opinion on Bonham's drumming, he wasn't near as stiff as Peart. Or 90% of other rock drummers.

Kashmir had a more impressive drum track than Levee. I don't know why people rave about that simplistic groove (aided by echo effects btw) so much.

This belongs in the "Controversial Opinions" thread. But I know what you mean. 6/21 is borderline over-energetic, almost overkill. RAH was a landmark show, but I think Plant was trying too hard and his commentary on HMMT off beat.

Or call a "Trump" to run a fake play, deceiving even their own fans.

I can't help you understand and I've seen all the Bonham worship videos.

Yet Plant tells people to stop living in the past. Of course, if you're musically diverse you'd know that there's great music from all decades. There are songs from the nineties that dwarf about anything from the seventies. There is music from the twenties that overshadows anything ever. But yeah, "classic rock" is pretty well contained between 68-77. Anything outside of that era is something different.

In regards to the 1975 tour, you have to understand that tour was supposed to have a "Best of" setlist. That was the plan from the start. Zep were pushed up to the top of the food chain in 73 and demand was so large for them that the 75 tour became more about putting on a giant circus act show to solidify their reputation as the best live rock act. Therefore, everything that could be expanded or stretched out, was. The setlist (according to the Plantations) was meant to combine all their old material with a few new songs.

What was with all the "first responder" commercials? Are fire departments marketing themselves now? Do they have a new album out or something?

Most boring super bowl, if not most boring game, I've ever seen. Even the commercials were coma inducing.

Listening to Brisbane 1972 and pretty blown away. This has made it on my soundboard wishlist.

Jimmy Page had terrible fashion sense until 72. That ZOSO sweater was cringe inducing, I don't care if his grandma did make it.

Hats Off To Roy Harper is a badass country blues tribute. Those who don't like it don't get it.

Knowing them personally and knowing what sloppy playing is are two different things. Edit: Was responding to the quote below. "I love listening to people talk about Page and Plant like they know them. We are just some fans on a forum who know little or nothing other than what we read. My favorite is the "how inconsistent" and "sloppy" page is as a guitarist after 75. By 1975 he had changed the sound of modern music, recorded some of the most compelling guitar solos ever played , sold millions albums, and broke attendance records all over the world. Addiction destroyed this band. Jimmy page is one of the best guitar players who ever lived. Case closed. "

Living Loving Maid is a better song than Heartbreaker.