I'm gonna go opposite on this one. Lori Maddox was already an established groupie by the time Page got hold of it. Sure, a relationship with a 14 yr old is questionable, but what about a 14 yr old who's probably screwed more people than you? Anyone ever interview her parents?

I actually bust out laughing because I forgot how bad this was. Jimmy is drunk as hell. You know what else is bad? Jason's snare tone.

I'll acknowledge your nitpicks (except for the "out of tune" part, which I really don't hear) and go with a "B+". However, that EC version isn't perfect. Page chokes the opening chord to the rock section and disappears completely at 6:24. Then you've got the mellotron which actually is badly out of tune on the outro.

I won't and can't deny that. He was amazing in that regard. I think you're wrong and incapable of seeing past your nose. No offense. Kind of like doing endless triplets to impress the teenagers? The same crowd that says Joey Jordison is the greatest drummer ever. Go argue with their opinion. Seen and listened many times. It's very good, I'm not saying he wasn't good. I'm saying that when talking about next level drummers Bonham was fairly simplistic and stiff as a board. He also had a habit of going ADHD live and losing the others. That's my controversial opinion. Take it or leave it, but I'm just playing along to the thread.

Now that's one I'd like to nitpick.

The intro is a tad sticky, but everything after sounds good to me. He knocks down a solid solo with good bends and phrasing, ending nicely. I listened to the Watchtower version just to make sure Winston wasn't fooling me. I don't hear anything out of tune. If you can timestamp some examples that would be great, but I don't hear anything. He even plays the outro better than he ever did in 1975.

Best Ozzy Guitarists 1. Randyyyyyy 2. Tony Iommi 2. Jake E Lee 3. Zakk 4. Brad Gillis

Best Ozzy albums: 1. Diary Of A Madman 2. Blizzard Of Ozz 3. No More Tears 4. The Ultimate Sin 5. Ozzmosis 6. Bark At The Moon 7. No Rest For The Wicked 8. Whatever else.

If anyone has some 70s era boot links, I'd appreciate them.

He wouldn't have stooped as low to be a power drummer lol. I'll stop. Bonham has his place and is King of his hill, but I stopped being impressed after I studied music more and understood the difference between barbarianism and sophistication. Don't get me wrong, I'll still get rigid when listening to IMTOD. He had an authenticity no one else could match.

Yeah, but he was no John Hiseman.

His techniques were flawless in the studio. They just really weren't anything "next level" or truly impressive compared to many other drummers. His overall use of the kit in accenting the music in a percussive manner was pretty non existent. In other words, heavy grooves and giant triplets easily impress a casual listener, but there's more to being a percussionist than that. I will say that the one thing that always impressed me most about him was his distinctive, non traditional fills and accents. Bonham hardly ever did a straight forward "RLRL" drum roll, or tom roll fill like 90% of drummers do. Not until 77 anyway, he did them on Achilles and Kashmir. He always switched it up and did something unexpected, no matter how small.

A phrase I use to describe bad articulation. When Jimmy tries to play fast but his free hand doesn't match his pick hand, it sounds slightly like a "turkey gobble" due to the notes not being pronounced. Just sloppy playing.

7/10. That's one terrible quiz.

Wearing And Tearing is a sorry attempt at anything "punk". It's not even within the realm of punk rock.

That would've been a mistake. Bindon had ties to the mafia and he was the exact type of person to do something much worse than give a beating. He was a dirty bastard.

That sounded worse than how I meant it.

The bow solo should've been abandoned in '73.

One of the best live performances I think I've ever seen. A truly underrated vocalist.

I think I've made it duly noted in my Nitpicking threads, but Page was the most inconsistent guitarist of his era. Yes, there are many reasons why he was inconsistent, but that doesn't change the fact that he was flat out embarrassing on some shows in 75 and beyond. The 1980 tour should've never happened. The Knebworth shows should've been their farewell. Bonham is the most influential rock drummer ever. No doubt. He wasn't that great technically though. Real drummers were probably rolling their eyes at him through all the giant fills and triplets. Go ahead, kill me. Jones was better than a rock band and would've been justified in leaving. I suppose that money was hard to beat though. Plant could be an over opinionated asshole onstage. Presence was just heroin in musical form. Maybe not a bad thing. Plant was the true hero of the band considering all the bullshit he endured and still played his role with full integrity. Name one instance where Plant was a problem with the band. Ever. The fact that he doesn't want to revisit those days is justified beyond reason. I would state some other, more personal unpopular opinions, but I've been banned for doing so in the past (Plant and Page's love lives, Bonham's drunken rampages).

Hands down one of the best Page performances ever, if not the whole band. That Black Dog solo is pure shred. Such a shame this recording wasn't just a tad bit better.

The master at sidestepping putting his prowess on display, dragging any discussion out so thinly that it becomes unrecognizable and beyond effort to refute. The last ditch effort of card table flipping is justifying why the table needed to be flipped. Bottom line- Do stupid shit, suffer the consequences. If you think making blatant racist comments on a social platform can't/shouldn't warrant action from an employer, then you must be working at the KKK home office. Or on a different fucking planet. Everyone else says you're wrong. The last word is yours, for I can't put the facts of common sense and social repercussion into more elementary terms.

Nitpicking Page 8/4/1979 Knebworth (Thanks For Eleven Years- Winston Remaster) I highly recommend the Winston version, which I believe is a matrix of "soundboard" and the audience source. The sound quality of the soundboards (video feeds) are almost intolerable to my ears, with the constant buzzing in the background. Obviously, the best way to listen is with the DVD, but Page refuses to release the entire show. This is undoubtedly regarded as the best of the two Knebworth shows. I've watched the videos a hundred times, but I've never listened closely with a good set of headphones. Let's see what we've got here. TSRTS- Sound quality isn't great here, but improves later. A good energetic start with Bonham sounding lively. Verses sound good. First solo- pretty sticky off the bat, though his fingers are quite nimble at 2:47. 3:47, some sloppy chording. Outro solo- Sticky and loose. His heart is in it though. "B". Celebration Day- So hard to not anticipate the Rover intro here. Poor Page barely gets off the ground for the intro, but once Bonzo comes in they're off to the races. Solo- Played well, but rushed. Outro solo- Good, raunchy leads off the bat. Some rough phrasing at 2:50. That intro really brings it down. "B". Black Dog- Solid start. 1:36, me thinks Plant was aided by a vocal effect. Bonham's kit sounds really good on this. Guitar solo (3:30)- Starts off with some good runs. 3:52, a little inarticulate. 4:16-4:45 has lots of straining and sounds pretty bad in places. A far cry from 7/24, but I'll be generous and give it a "B+". If this were a 1975 recording I imagine it would sound much worse. NFBM- Page's chording is just a little sloppy on the intro and the thin tone doesn't help. Solid first half with some monster drum fills and an excellent harmonica solo. Guitar solo- Some nifty runs on the start. 4:50, articulation isn't great but he's careful not to overdo it. Overall, this is a very heavy, high energy version with Bonham killing it. "A". OTHAFA- Very good intro with the delay coming through. 2:24, minor flub. Solo- 2:55, some bad articulation. 3:44, severe turkey gobbling. All in all, it's a well phrased solo. The return is good and Page ends well except for a minor flub at 5:41. Plant seemed to strain a little but held it together quite well. A high spirited version, but technically I've gotta go "B". MMH- Wasting no time kicking this off. The revamped performances of this are more energetic than the ones from 72/73 and hold one's attention quite well. 0:32, don't miss Bonzo's excellent fills. 2:23, 2:35, 2:43, 2:49, 3:36- he's a madman on this. Solo- Played and phrased nicely, perfection. Page's outro leads sound good and the song stops with the signature abruption, except they don't immediately launch into SIBLY. The most lively Bonham since 6/21/77. Honestly, maybe the best version I've heard. "A+". (5:06, Plant jokes about "stealing" the blues). SIBLY- 0:10, some bum guitar notes and it sounds like Jones tries to match them. Very sticky, poorly phrased intro. The verses get going quite well. Plant actually sings with more conviction here than on the 77 versions. Solo- Page doesn't rush and gets some good phrasing down. 4:30, very nice run. 5:03 sounds superb, almost like a different song. 5:34, just a tad sticky, but one of the better solos I've heard. Could've used some more Bonzo and it's a shame about the intro, but overall a very good version. "B+". No Quarter- Good intro. Jones- Slow paced, but phrased fairly well. 4:44, boogie phrasing minus the others sounds good. Bonham comes in for an excellent pre-solo jam. Solo- Page drops in nicely, but loses the flow a bit after 7:34. Some hints at nimble fingers but sounds like he's afraid to let loose. 9:05, finally wakes up with some good wah riffs but quickly goes back into sleep mode. 10:43, alive again with some superb shred licks. 11:25-11:48, ascending to the heavens right before Jones brings it back around. Not a bad solo at all, but Page was overly reserved in places. Some decent soloing on the outro as Page relies on the wah pedal. Not the total package, but I'd put this version up against any from previous years. A very solid "B+". Ten Years Gone- Very good sound quality now though the guitar is low. Solid intro and verses. First solo (3:50)- The guitar signal finally comes through at 4:15 (probably due to missing soundboard), but this sounds like a fairly good solo. Plant's voice a little screechy on the return. 4:58, Plant squeak. Second solo (5:00)- Solid. Third solo (7:03)- Played and phrased well. Page stays fairly reserved on the outro and ends it adequately. Though it's a decent performance, there's a noticeable amount of energy missing and Plant doesn't sound great. "B+". Hot dog- A very good launch and Jones gets some nifty piano work in. Solo- I don't remember Page playing so well here, but he does. Very close to the 7/24 solo. A good ending for an excellent version, despite Plant's voice not being very strong. "A". The Rain Song- Smooth as butter. The rock section is keyboard heavy and lacking guitar, but done well. Good outro makes for an "A" version. White Summer- Just a little sticky on the intro, but sounds great once the tempo increases. I think a major problem with this track is that Page just improvises way too much, creating some loose ends and bad phrases. But he stays fairly focused on this version compared to others. "B+". Black Mountainside- A decent run through. "B+". Kashmir- Excellent balance of instruments. Plant sounds like he's really struggling to stay in key on the verses, hovering at the absolute height of his new high range (now different than even 1977). Also gone is any hint of the raspiness that was his signature for so long. Nevertheless, he manages to put down solid vocals for this inspired version. "A". Trampled Underfoot- A driving tempo out of the gate. Jones gets a good routine in. Solo- Page hints at some build-up phrasing then launches into what has to be the sloppiest, most inarticulate note-guessing ever attempted. Luckily he settles down and gets some decent runs in toward the end. 5:35-5:47, quite sloppy. Plant does well throughout, getting a little of his raspiness back. The rating for this track almost solely comes down to Page, as everyone else follows a pretty standard routine. That said, I'll give it a "C+", though the energy level is high. Sick Again- Absolutely thunderous kickoff. Solo- Phrased nicely and played well. Notable drum fill at 1:53. Plant's enthusiasm on the verses is really something else. Much more convincing than previous years. Outro solo- A little sticky and spastic, but par for the song. Actually, above par. This is the shocker so far for me. I've watched the video numerous times but never realized how powerful this performance was. It's played with unrivaled confidence and features a very solid Page. An "A+" version in my honest opinion. Achilles- Good intro and verses with the guitar up front. First solo- Some heavy reverb or delay would sound excellent, but this is played perfectly in my opinion. Top notch phrasing. Second solo- Some slight straining, but otherwise good. Third solo- No delay coming through but it still sounds ok (Considering no effects are coming through, is it right to assume this is a soundboard instead of a video feed?). Very good, strangely relaxing version. "A". In The Evening- Excellent energy. I have to admit, the keyboard almost ruins this song for me. I think it would be a good live rocker minus the horror movie synths. First solo- Good off the bat. 4:22, a weird descending riff. 4:41, Page ends on the wrong note but wisely slides up. 4:54, Page's arpeggiated riff sounds great. 5:20, rare pinch harmonics. 5:47, I might be mistaken but sounds like Jones plays in the wrong key for a measure. Outro solo- Page does some daring whammy dives which sound pretty good. Bonham puts down the thunder toward the end for a fairly solid version. "B+". Stairway To Heaven- Page sets a nervous pace and isn't perfectly tuned. Plant sounds like he's rushing to keep up with Pagey. Solo- Steadily phrased, sluggish in parts, but overall good. He does come alive for the final measures though to set up an energetic climax. Faint sounds of the audience singing the last verses. Played well, but the quick tempo and uninspired solo keep it at a "B+". Rock And Roll- Page's guitar sounds dreadful. Solo- Pretty rough. The energy is there, but the sound is messy. "B". WLL- Plant's voice has relaxed quite a bit and the characteristic raspiness is present. 0.53, Page throws in a minor chord sequence that sounds very menacing. Solo- Played adequately. You Need Love- Kicks off with tremendous attitude. 2:21, Page struggles a little here. 5:18, "You know you make me wanna.." someone in the crowd yells "Shout!!". The audience version finishes this one out and Page throws in that menacing riff a couple more times. I've always been biased toward this version as I love the You Need Love riffs. Much better than the quick psychedelic routine that jumps straight into another track. "A". Heartbreaker- Monstrous guitar tone, the best I've heard since '72. Solid verses. Solo- Bonzo adds some hi-hat accents on the rockabilly section. Some standard turkey gobbling on the speedy part and a decent set of runs to finish the solo. A good return for a solid "B+" version, held back by a lackluster solo. Not bad at all. Final Assessment- Certainly a step down from 7/24 as far as Page is concerned, but just maybe a step up with the others. Page isn't bad here, he's just not very consistent. Highlights are a forceful NFBM, damn near perfect Misty Mountain Hop, and an over-confident Sick Again. The WLL performance is also very confident and experimental and Achilles is as solid as ever. I think what impresses me most about this show is that Page was able to wield a double neck guitar while weighing only 90lbs. This is seriously the worst Page has looked in his career, so the performance is actually very good considering.

That's not the logic at all and I'm sorry you can't comprehend. There's no hope for you so just make of it what you will. I'm merely stating the reality of the situation. It's up to you to accept it or live in willful ignorance.

But it doesn't have to be "accurate". If a person who serves the public (medical, police, teacher) gets on Facebook and says "Man, I really despise black people", that puts their moral integrity into question and that's enough. Even though it's quite possible that they treat black people with just as much integrity on their job as anyone else, it still arouses enough suspicion to not take a chance with the person. So basically, if you have an opinion that others might find negative, keep it to yourself. Don't air it out in public and expect it to go without consequence. Common sense. Your employer's business is what they want it to be and no, it's not necessarily against the law for them to fire you for anything outside of discrimination. That's ultimately up to the courts if you want to challenge it, but most employers set their rules of conduct when you get hired and can terminate you on their own terms. If you don't like it then you can just go full time on your webcam. Personal responsibility isn't hard to figure out- Do stupid shit and suffer the consequences. No part of the Constitution can protect you from that, but if you want to ratify it so that it's acceptable that kindergarten teachers can be prostitutes on the weekend, then get to the polls and vote lol. Or move to Russia, that sounds like their moral standpoint.