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Hollywood Variety July 27, 1977
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San Francisco Chronicle-Examiner July 26, 1977
Independent (Long Beach, CA) July 27, 1977
Californian (Bakersfield, CA) July 27, 1977
Star Free Press (Ventura, CA) July 27, 1977
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This was taken alongside the Sol Studio in Cookham, Berkshire, which Jimmy owned
at the time. It's a small wooden bridge crossing over a Thames River tributary.
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The orientation of the new stadium is the same as the old one.
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Everything in your post is absolutely correct. I have seen it with my own eyes.
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Just found some more info.
What happened in 1973 was that Jimmy cut his palm and strained a tendon, and it happened in L.A. That's what Jimmy himself told Nick Kent in an interview after the tour (New Musical Express, September 1, 1973). "Such a stupid thing, really - and in five gigs I fucked it up for five weeks. And I had all manner of treatment and injections."
Los Angeles it is; chronological database updated.
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It was never too cool for Robert's midriff, he got off a plane in Chicago in the middle of winter displaying it (and then got the flu he deserved ).
Oh yes, that's right (1/26/75), and the band flew to Los Angeles for three days of partying as Robert stayed in bed with the flu at Chicago's Ambassador East Hotel. When they all regrouped in Greensboro (1/29/75) the band turned in what was arguably their worst performance ever!
During an MTV feature on his solo career, Robert commented about his stage attire, explaining he "used to get hellishly cold".
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I think those soundcheck photos are most likely from Atlanta.
I'm inclined to agree, Sam, although it sounds as if Tampa cannot be ruled out just yet.
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See?--I knew you two were meant for each other.
It's obvious, isn't it.
If only the answers to the mysteries in this thread would become equally obvious.
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It will help solve many of these unknown photographs because it would be a matter of comparing background buildings, lighting setups, other structures, the sky/horizon, shadows etc
Oh, I definately agree, I'd just never thought of it until you suggested it. I thought I
was a complete nutter for documenting the addresses of these venues, but position
of the sun in relation to the venue?! You've taken this to another level. Even the sorcerer salutes you.
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I would like to find out the stage orientations (west-east, north-south) for the other open-air venues.
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Soulmate indeed!
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According to the concert file, the band arrived late, rushed to the stage and found the equiptment not working...Plant improved " We've only been awake a total of about 2 and a half hours.." Don't sound like they were ther early on for a soundcheck...hmmm or maybe that's why they were late ?
Actually, Jimmy had developed a gradual fear of flying in Led Zeppelin's small private jet and his fear really took hold in Los Angeles. Peter Grant had to hastily arrange for both
he and Jimmy to fly onboard a United Airlines commerical flight up to San Francisco on
the day of the gig as a result. I think promoter Bill Graham may have made a stage or
radio announcement to the effect of "there will be a slight delay as Jimmy wants to get
his doubleneck tuned just right for your enjoyment". Meanwhile, he already knew the truth was Jimmy was running late on account of switching to the commercial flight. He
discusses this incident in detail in his autobiography 'Bill Graham: My Life Inside Rock and Out'.
LA was played the next day, and it was the last date before their mid-tour break. Not coincidentally, Peter Grant leased The Starship jet airliner for the second leg and they
retained the services of it for the remainder of the tour as well as in 1975. In 1977, he
leased Ceasar's Chariot, another large jet airliner.
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New question: I have two photos from an old Cream magazine that show Zep performing outdoors in daylight in'73. Robert has sunglasses on and Jimmy is wearing a red bandana around his neck. (I'd love to post them, but it says I've "linked to a website that is not allowed"? (photobucket-huh?) If someone can tell me how to post them I will, if not, is anyone familiar with these pics? I've searched and can't seem to figure it out. It's not Kezar, it's not Mobile, .....??
Interesting. I don't think Robert wore sunglasses at Kezar Stadium. Besides, I'm almost positive Jimmy did not wear a bandana at any time during that gig. Please try to post
the photos again.
Edit: The Oct 1973 issue of 'Creem' featured Led Zeppelin on the cover, and the feature article was 'Led Zeppelin - Six Reasons Why They Are Bigger Than The Beatles'. I don't have a copy to review, but the reference to Beatles suggests record-breaking Tampa gig. Of course, this assumes this is the issue you are referring to.
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Proof of Jimmy wearing the White Fedora Hat during No Quarter-4-10-77 (There you go Steve A.- I knew I had a pic of him wearing it somewhere)
That is freaking awesome! What a gangster!!
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Meanwhile, the book "Brum Rocked On" has a list of popular music venues in the Birmingham area in the '60s. One of them is Walsall Teacher's Training College.
Quite possibly the historically accurate name for the venue. Not surprised you posted it, Scott.
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Robert Plant's Record Collection
Mat Snow, Q, May 1990
Back in the Spring of 1968, things aren't looking too rosy for 19-year-oldsinger Robert Plant. His promising group The Band Of Joy have just knocked it on the head, and now he fronts the frankly less than awesome Hobbstweedle (edit: spelled incorrectly).
"I had nowhere to live," Robert recalls of those scuffling days in the blueswailing business, "and the keyboards player's dad had a pub in Wolverhampton with a spare room. The pub was right over the road from Noddy Holder's father's window cleaning business, and Noddy used to be our roadie. We used to go to gigs with Noddy Holder's dad's buckets crashing around on top of the van! And that," he divulges with an audible sigh of relief, "is when I met Pagey..."
Accompanied by his fellow ex-Yardbird, Chris Dreja, Jimmy Page had made the trek to the teachers' training college in Birmingham where Hobbstweedle (edit: sic) were gigging that night. They had plans afoot for a New Yardbirds, and the screaming 'Tweedle had been recommended by Terry Reid as being the man they were after. Pagey was impressed, and invited the impoverished Plant down to his plush Thameside residence in Pangbourne for further investigation "And I had to do this very thing which we're doing now - we played records and talked about them to see how we were placed."
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"Lenny Kaye on Led Zeppelin" (1977)
"I went up to see him sing," Jimmy reminisced to England's ZigZag, "he was in a group called Obstweedle or Hobbstweedle, something like that [actually, Obbstweedle], who were playing at a teachers training college outside of Birmingham – to an audience of about twelve people... you know, a typical student set up, where drinking is the prime consideration and the group is only of secondary importance." He didn't care for the band's San Francisco outlook, "but Robert was fantastic, and having heard him that night, and having listened to a demo he had given me [of songs recorded with his
previous group, Band of Joy], I realized that without a doubt his voice had an exceptional and very distinctive quality."
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Here's "West Midlands College" on a map with speculation it is now part of Wolverhapton University:
http://www.absoluteradio.co.uk/music/pilgr...ation/131/desc/
This link confirms it is now part of Wolverhampton University's Walsall campus:
http://www.britishservices.co.uk/furthered...nds/walsall.htm
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I know nothing about UK geography, or the education system but Google does...
There is still a Walsall College: http://www.walcat.ac.uk/contact-us/ and one of it's locations is in West Midlands. Plant could have been referring to this place when talking of a West Midlands college. Steve, how can you be sure about the address that you have? I can't imagine anyone specifiying the address in an interview...
No, Robert didn't actually refer to the address. It was obtained though online resarch of the entry in the 'Rock Gazetteer' book. Given the question now raised about inclusion of
"Higher" it would seem this is very much open to further examination and debate. That's
the problem with most books about rock history, they are all too often inaccurate!
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For some reason I always had it in my mind that it was a teacher's college he was performing at but I couldn't tell you where I read it (or thought I did).
A "teacher's training college near Birmingham" is how Robert has often described it.
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Well, I'm pleased to report I recently acquired at auction a book published in 1925 by the Sussex Archeological Society. It contains a very detailed history of Horselunges Manor, to include origins of the name, a chart showing property ownership through circa 1600, and floor plans.
I wish Peter Grant were still here, as he might have found it's contents interesting. If the
information pertaining to Horselunges Manor is of interest to members of the forum please PM me and I shall arrange for scans to be provided.
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That was the band that Jimmy Page and Peter Grant came to see at Walsall College
I have an old book called 'Rock Gazetteer' which depicts various music venues in the UK. It references that historic meeting and says the college was called West Midlands College of Higher Education on Gorway Road in Bromsgrove, Worcestershire, England.
Either the name had changed from Walsall College since then or Bill's recollection is
mistaken on this point.
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Peter proudly displayed most of his antiques within Horselunges Manor, his exquisite estate featured in the film The Song Remains The Same. Yet he also had a very lavish abode in Kensington Mews.
Paul Reeves, a very close friend of Jimmy's who had designed some of Jimmy's stage clothes whilst with The Yardbirds in the late 60s (example in Zeppelin Mysteries thread) was commissioned by Peter in 1973 on a "money no object" basis to refurbish his new
home in Kensington from top to bottom.
The job took nearly two years, at a time when 6ft 5in Grant was travelling the world with the biggest-selling rock group of all time."I told him I'd only do it if he didn't come near," Reeves said. "I involved friends from the Royal College and we did everything from cutlery to textiles."
Prominent among Reeves' collaborators was architect and artist Jon Wealleans; when the job was finished the pair were featured in The Observer and Ideal Home magazines. The 1976 Ideal Home feature is provided below.
Both Wealleans and Reeves recall the trepidation they felt when Grant - whose fearsome reputation was backed up by his hulking frame (he was 23 stone by the time he was 23 and had been a wrestler and bouncer in his time) - finally viewed the job.
I opened the door and it may be a cliché, but he literally blotted out the sun," laughs Wealleans. Reeves, meanwhile, had prudently put some champagne on ice. "He spent around five minutes looking around, not saying a word," says Reeves."Then he pronounced. 'I gotta say Paul…it's fucking amazing!' We got the champagne out and a couple of grams of coke and everything was alright!"
Peter Grant's Kensington Mews Estate
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I suppose such an auction was inevitable. Even so, it saddens me to think this magnificent collection Peter personally assembled throughout his many travels is being broken up. I do hope the estate or auctioneer is carefully documenting each item (photograph, etc) for the sake of posterity.
Edit: Indeed they have. See the online catalog for this Oct 22nd auction:
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The City of Noir Leans.
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Those dates can be dismissed. There is a report in Toronto's The Globe and Mail that Jimi Hendrix was in Toronto on both those days. I have doubts Page saw Hendrix in October that year.
Yes, it remains a mystery...for now.
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Oakland Incident?
in Led Zeppelin Master Forum
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In his autobiography, promoter Bill Graham relates he was asked to deliver a $25,000 cash advance to their suites at the San Francisco Hilton on Friday night. Graham was dismayed to see it immediately turned over to a known drug dealer in the room.
I have never seen any evidence to suggest Jimmy made the trip to New Orleans on
Tuesday, July 26th. Given they were not scheduled to play the Superdome until Sat,
July 30th, it's possible he elected to spend additional time in California, particularly
once Peter Grant announced the cancellation of several upcoming tours date on the morning of Wed, July 27th.