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Thanks. Thought maybe backstage Texas State Fairgrounds in '69.
Yes, well they did meet whilst touring throughout that era. Basically, you just take her
concert chronology and cross-check it against Led Zeppelin's for the possibilities. I
seem to recall they met on the West Coast that Summer as well.
Here's another: September 4, 1970. Led Zeppelin had just played The Forum. They went
to the Troubador and got involved in a post-performance jam session with Fairport Convention (who were recording a live album). Producer Joe Boyd believes the tapes are buried in Polydor's vault, by the way. So anyway, they moved on to Barney's Beanery nearby, where the partying continued. A highlight was a drinking contest between Bonham, Dave Pegg and Janis Joplin.
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Here's a Janis Joplin question since today is the anniversary of her demise.
Way back she apparently made off(made out) with a young Bobby Plant. When, where did it happen and was that there only meeting( in a tryst sort of way.)?
They did meet and get on well, because Robert has said so, but far as I know there is no evidence whatsoever to even remotely suggest they were ever romantically linked.
Edit: Robert discusses his relationship with Janis from about 13:00-14:15 during this
interview with Charlie Rose. Robert says he considered her to be his "fairy godmother":
http://www.charlierose.com/shows/2005/05/1...an-robert-plant
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I always thought he met Charlotte at his birthday gig at the Royal Albert Hall in 1970- maybe you're thinking of someone else (Lynn Collins maybe)?
Good catch, as I hadn't seen this discrepancy until now. Well, my notes show no less than Ritchie Yorkie said it was Jimmy and Charlotte. Two possibilities I can think of:
it was Lynn Collins or, if it was not, the trip was sometime after the 1/9/70 RAH gig.
If I have misquoted or misunderstood Ritchie my sincere apologies.
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Two listed gigs:
Tuesday 21st October - Electric factory, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Friday 24th October - Public Auditorium, Cleveland, Ohio (8pm start)
Do we have any proof Jimmy was in New York between those dates? According to this comment here, they were in Cleveland on the night of the 23rd, see http://www.ledzeppelin.com/node/454/1258#comment-1258
Which leaves only the 22nd.
One possibility: Was there a launch at the Atlantic Record offices on the 22nd? We know Led Zeppelin II was released in the US on the 22nd.
Meg
Well, I don't doubt the authenticity of the Cleveland desk clerk's anecdote, though it
seems embellished (I don't believe the band was using limos in 1969...tour manager Richard Cole said at one point they were using a station wagon).
I have no proof they returned to New York after the Philadelphia gig, but we can look
into if they may have attended a launch for LZ II at Atlantic in New York 8/22/69.
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Apparently the reception there had banquet tables covered in flowers. So there was a formal atmosphere for the night rather than it being a full-blown gig. It was the official launch of the "Hey Joe" single in the UK. See Keith Altham's article, "Wild Jimi Hendrix," in New Musical Express, 14 January 1967. My guess is this: Page may have either turned up late or left early prior to the onstage live appearance of Hendrix. So it's possible he never actually saw Hendrix live.
My bet would be he left early, as opposed to arrived late. If Bag O' Nails was then, as now, at 6 Buckingham Palace Rd, London, SW1W 0PP Jimmy would possibly have had to catch the train or a ride back to Pangbourne, which is over on the other side of town and beyond. In any event, it is possible for him to have attended and, as you said,
not to have seen Hendrix perform or to have even met him at the reception.
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Alan Clayson's book The Yardbirds, states in the chronology section on page 184 that The Yardbirds returned to London on 9th January 1967. Which means Jimmy Page and the Yardbirds were in London between the 9th and 15th. On the 10th of January the transfer of the group's management was made between Simon Napier-Bell and Peter Grant in London.
Meg
I see. So it is certainly feasible Jimmy did attend that Hendrix reception. How peculiar
he would not have recalled that when asked. Perhaps this thread will jog his memory
and we'll have confirmation there were two Page/Hendrix encounters, one in London
(Bag O' Nails) and one in New York (Salvation).
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From the sources I've seen, there is no mention of Salvation apart from September 10 during that period.
Agreed there were no Hendrix performances at Salvation after 9/10/69. However, the
anecdote as Jimmy tells it does not require one for the encounter to have occured. I
say there's a good chance it happened when Jimmy was in town the following month.
We already know Jimi had an apartment nearby and Salvation was a popular hangout.
Edit: On October 17th 1969 Eugene Mcfadden took over as Jimi Hendrix's manager. This
is three days prior to Jimmy Page's return to New York for two days off. Hypothesis:
A stressed out Jimi Hendrix has gone to Salvation to try to relax. He's been under enormous pressure since performing at Woodstock that August. His band is breaking up
and he's now under new management. For these reasons he is not in good condition when Jimmy Page encounters him.
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Page has said it was at Salvation. In Shadwick's book there is no further gigs at Salvation by Hendrix after 10th September, which means it is highly unlikely after the Carnegie Hall show.
Meg
We really can't presume the Salvation encounter coincided with a Hendrix performance.
If it had, undoubtedly Jimmy would have watched the show and mentioned it. I take Jimmy's anecdote to mean he went to Salvation to relax on his day off (I've identified possibilities in October '69) and encountered Jimi Hendrix already hanging out there himself. A brief exchange at a table, seeing as Jimi wasn't in good condition at the time.
In fact, now that I think of it, there's virtually no possibility Jimmy attended any Hendrix gigs in Sep '69 because he and Charlotte were on holiday in Morocco and Spain for about a month prior to the 10/3/69 gig in Scheveningen, Netherlands which kicked off
a European tour. The last Zep gig prior to that was 8/31/69 in Texas. So far as I know
he did not stay in New York for at least ten days on the way back to England. They'd
already done several gigs in New York state that month (Aug). One would think he'd have wanted to get home to Charlotte and enjoy that extended vacation.
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While looking through the Shadwick book I came across another reference on page 91:
"The following day [11th January 1967] The Jimi Hendrix Experience played at their reception at the Bag O' Nails, where the combined efforts of [Chas] Chandler and his helpers ensured an enviably large turnout, including key members of British rock's meritocracy - Paul McCartney, Mick Jagger, Jeff Beck, Pete Townshend, Brian Jones, Eric Clapton, Jimmy Page, and John Lennon. Kevin Ayers, who was in attendance, remembers an air of stunned disbelief: "All the stars were there and I heard serious comments, you know: 'shit', 'Jesus', 'damn' and other words worse than that!"
Regarding the assertion Page attended that reception as well as any speculation the Page/Hendrix encounter coincided with Led Zep's 10/17/69 Carnegie Hall concert:
Jimmy might not have been at the Bag O' Nails on 1/11/67 (as the Shadwick book claims) because this dates falls between Jimmy's gig with The Yardbirds in Denmark on 1/8/67 and The Yardbirds departure from London for Singapore on 1/15/67 to begin their 1967 Austral-asian tour. Date of arrival in Singapore was confirmed against a passport. Anyway, Jimmy himself said he only met Hendrix once, and the encounter was at Salvation. There is of course the possibility the reception anecdote is completely correct, and Jimmy either doesn't recall that encounter or has mistaken it for having occured at Salvation in Greenwich Village. However, it's unlikely he'd confuse a London pub with a New York City hang out! I am looking into this further. I find it intriguing.
Association with the 10/17/69 Carnegie Hall can be ruled out beyond a reasonable doubt. On 10/16/69 Page, Plant, Bonham, Jones, Grant and journalist Chris Welch
departed London for New York aboard a TWA B-707 (the fastest means of travel in
the 60s). They were checked-in to the Hilton Hotel, and soonafter Ron Kellerman
(friend of Jimmy's) and Lord Sutch picked Jimmy up and they drove an hour to Ron's
home in Perth Amboy, NJ. He stayed the night at this private residence, socialising
with Ron and his family, playing albums, discussing music and culture.
The next day, 10/17/69, Led Zeppelin performed at Carnegie Hall (showtimes 8:30pm and midnight). Chris Welch watched these concerts with Dr. John, Chris Wood of
Traffic and Lord Sutch. Afterward, he, Robert and Jimmy went to a Jewish-owned
delicatessen where they had a lengthy post-gig discussion. The following day they
flew to Detroit.
The most likely possibility I see for the Page/Hendrix encounter is that it occured after the 10/17/69 Carnegie Hall gig. On 10/20/69 they were back in town, having played Detroit and Chicago, and it was an off day prior to their Philadelphia gig the next day. However, they attended The Who's Fillmore East post-performance party (hosted by Bill Graham) at Max's Kansas City the night of 10/20/69, so it is highly unlikely Jimmy would have broken away from those festivities to go to Salvation in Greenwich Village. There is the remote possibility he went to Salvation first, but I'm inclined to believe encounter occured when they returned to New York for the third time that month, for two days
off (10/22-23/69) following the Philadelphia gig.
Led Zeppelin attended a birthday party at Ugano's for a member of the Liverpool Scene (whom had been playing there), and given the time constraints outlined above, it, as well as the Page/Hendrix encounter at Salvation, probably occured during this third visit (10/22-23/69) to New York that month. Perhaps press coverage from that week can
shed further light on this "mystery".
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Jimmy used to hate flying, even admitting he had to get drunk to do so(may have been toungue in cheek)
Is he still a nervous flyer? Also, do any of the other band members have any phobias?
I believe I've covered this previously in the thread? Suffice to say Jimmy's fear of flying was not a deep-rooted phobia, rather a transitory concern he developed but overcame.
You might be interested to know he and Peter Grant resorted to flying aboard a United Airlines commerical flight on account of his fear of flying in Led Zeppelin's small private jet while on tour in California (June 1973). Peter leased the Starship airliner for the
second leg of that tour and they retained the use of a private jet on subsequent tours.
While touring with The Firm, he and his bandmates flew aboard a privately chartered
Viscount jet.
I imagine he's accumulated a few air miles this year >London to Japan >Japan to Thailand >Thailand to L.A. > L.A. to London >London to Beijing and back >London
to Toronto and back >etc. !
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From Dave Lewis and Simon Pallett's Led Zeppelin: The Concert File, page 39:
"Steve Paul's Scene Club, New York. CANCELLED. Billed as "Jimmy Paige [sic] and England's most exciting new group - Lead Zeppelin [sic]". All four of these shows were cancelled when John Bonham went back to England because his son Jason had been taken ill. The gigs were not rescheduled."
Meg
Yes, all four gigs (Feb 3, 4, 5 & 6) were cancelled. Bonzo flew home to England after 20-mos old son Jason received stitches for his head.
Source 2: January 17th 1969 issue of 'East Village Other' (ad)
Source 3: 'Led Zeppelin - The Press Reports' by Robert Godwin
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Great stuff. This has to be one of the best Zep threads on any message board
Collaboration is the key!
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Page: Now, did I ever meet him? I did actually go into a club in New York
called Salvation, and he was there, but he was totally out of it. He
didn't really know who anybody was -- he was barely conscious. Somebody
was just kind of holding him up. It is just kind of a shame that I never
really had a chance to talk with him or hear him... I heard his records,
naturally, but it would've been a thrill to see how he worked things out
on stage. That's quite another ballgame, as you know.
I'm fairly certain it was in October 1969, as Led Zeppelin stayed in New York for several nights. I need to corroborate this a bit further before I can provide a definitive answer.
Salvation was located in Greenwich Village, as was Jimi's apartment, and he only played twice with Gypsy Sun and Rainbows following their Woodstock Festival in August. One of those gigs was at Salvation. Apparently, he was there quite a bit during this time.
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A perfect 10...totally HOT!
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Damn it, though, they don't allow pictures of the inside. I've written to them several times asking if it's possible to see close ups of details in color anywhere, and apparently it just isn't...
Availble on ebay now is a copy of the William Burges book depicted above with Jimmy and the author. Very affordably priced and several copies still in stock. It may possibly depict Cardiff Castle interiors:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Matthew-Williams-Willi...p3286.m20.l1116
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SAJ,...anyone, yes ,no?
Posting photographs of their other private residences would be inappropriate. I've posted many photos of their former residences in the Photo Forum, to include Peter Grant's Horselunges Manor.
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That must have been a tad nerve wracking for him to hand over I wonder if he has #1 insured? After all it's priceless. Could you tell us for how much it's insured SAJ?
It is insured. I happen to think if he ever elected to auction it off he would easily get
a few million dollars for it. Eric Clapton's famous Blackie guitar sold for nearly one million dollars at auction in 2004. Jimmy and Eric are already associated with most expensive guitar ever sold:
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Another shot of the Tower House in what I would assume to be a ballroom
^^^
That photograph was actually taken during Jimmy's visit to Cardiff Castle.
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Also, there is the BBC Open University 'Arts and History' TV programme which features a tour of Tower House. It's been shown often on TV....it even credits Jimmy at the end. I have it on video....shame I only have a DVD player these days.
Really? Thanks for that, I hadn't heard of it before and will see if I can track down a copy of the program. I have a video clip of Jimmy meeting with two representatives
of the Gibson Custom Shop in the Tower House basement. He explains to them a bit
about his Les Paul #1 before allowing them to take possession of it for the purpose
of manufacturing replicas.
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The notes read:
Harmonizer into sonic wave
Bow <strobed?> overhead leading into first bowed chords and appearance of pyramid
Staccato repeat (pyramid turns 1/4)
Repeat speed up and pyramid revolves and stops when I start on the wah-wah
Smoke on the back of pyramid
More high and low wah-wah notes leading to more staccato
Repeats ending with bow waves strobeing above my head
Pyramid builds to a spin even before drum entrance
<Tremedor?> on high chord - slide down <black?>
Can anyone confirm or decypher the words in <bold?>?
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Tower House is an stunningly beautiful home! SAJ, would you happen to have any details such as square footage, number of bedrooms and baths and what other rooms the house contains? I would assume a library, a parlor, etc. I love old homes, I'd really enjoy hearing about those details!
TIA!
I do but as it is Jimmy's private residence I respectfully will not divulge that information.
All interior photographs posted above were specifically authorized for public viewing.
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Thanks for that Steve, was only going by what Wiki said (hence the 'I think' bit). Interesting info.
I'm almost certain it was June 1973 while he was on a mid-tour break. In the article
above he discusses staying at the Angel Hotel in Cardiff and attempting to get into
Cardiff Castle in 1973, but they actually stayed at the Angel Hotel and performed in Cardiff on December 12 1972.
Oh, about the Thames Valley mansion - it was designed by architect Edwin Lutyens,
another favorite of his, with a Gertrude Jekyll-designed garden. Apologies for typo.
MISS GERTRUDE JEKYLL
The Times 10th December 1932
Gardener and Artist
We regret to announce that Miss Gertrude Jekyll died at her home at Godalming on Thursday evening, at the age of 89. She had been failing for some weeks and had felt the recent death of her brother, Sir Herbert Jekyll, very much. She was a great gardener, second only, if indeed she was second, to her friend William Robinson, of Gravetye. To these two, more than to any others, are due, not only the complete transformation of English horticultural method and design, but also that wide diffusion of knowledge and taste which has made us almost a nation of gardeners. Miss Jekyll was also a true artist with an exquisite sense of colour.
She was born on November 29, 1843, at 2, Grafton Street, the fourth child and second daughter of Edward Jekyll, captain in the Grenadier Guards, and Julia, née Hammersley. In 1848 the family moved to Bramley House, Surrey, and there she developed a strong interest in botany and gardening, in horses and all country pursuits, and especially in painting. About 1861 she began to study in the art schools in South Kensington, and in 1866 she worked in Paris. Later the British Museum, the National Gallery, the Louvre, the Brera, and the galleries of Venice and Rome offered her invaluable opportunity and experience.
A succession of German and French governesses of the early Victorian type left no more than a resentful impression on her independent mind and character. A brief incursion into boarding school life only deepened her sense of aloofness, and yet no one had a kinder heart, a more truly helpful and sympathetic spirit, a readier sense of humour and good comradeship. Not that her home circle was narrow, or wanting in intellectual or artistic opportunity. Her mother was a good musician, and Mendelssohn was a constant visitor at her London home. Leighton, Watts, and Poynter, among many others, gave help and encouragement to the young artist.
An early acquaintance with Charles Newton, then Keeper of the Greek and Roman collections in the British Museum, led to a fruitful friendship with him and his wife, Mary Severn, with whom, in 1863, she visited Rhodes, Constantinople, and Athens and acquired a knowledge of Greek art. While in Italy she obtained practical instruction in several handicrafts, such as the use of gesso, watergilding, inlaying, repoussé work, and wood-carving. Indeed, there was little her skilful fingers could not bring to perfection, from a piece of finely wrought decorative silver down to the making of her gardening boots. She could toss an omelette and brew Turkish coffee or elderberry wine, compose a liqueur, or manufacture her own incomporable pot-pourri. Embroideries designed by herself, repairs to ancient church work so skilful that they amounted to creation, patchworks of intricate pattern, quilting of medieval fineness, shell pictures such as only a real artist could conceive, banner-making for philanthropic friends, village-inn signs for Surrey neighbours – all were achieved with equal skill and enjoyment.
In 1871 Miss Jekyll formed an enduring frienship with Jacques Blumenthal and his wife, he a musician of distinction, she unusually gifted in all manner of minor arts. Their famous hospitalities in London and at their lovely chalet above Montreux brought her into happy relations with many artists, musicians and social notabilities. Another inspiring friend of the seventies was Hercules Brabazon, who profoundly impressed a small circle in those days, but whose wide recognition only came after he had laid down his brush. He introduced Miss Jekyll to Mme. Bodichon (Barbara Leigh Smith), a gifted painter, but better known in connexion with Girton College. Together they spent a happy winter in 1873-74 in Algiers and there making friends with the artist Frederick Walker.
A Centre of Enthusiasts
Her father’s death in 1876 at Wargrave Hill, Henley, led to the return of the family to West Surrey, and there Miss Jekyll settled with her mother in a house they built on Munstead Hill, above Godalming, in 1878. This soon became a meeting ground for a group of enthusiastic gardeners, amateur and professional, who helped her in the pursuit which henceforward was to be her main employment and delight. House decoration and furnishing, of which her most extensive work was done at Eaton Hall in 1882, had already for some years occupied and interested her, but these activities waned as her horticultural knowledge and taste developed.
In 1882 Canon Hole, afterwards Dean of Rochester, for ever pre-eminent among rose growers, brought with him on a visit to Munstead House Mr. William Robinson, who in his championship of hardy flowers versus the prevailing bedding-out system, found in Miss Jekyll an enthusiastic fellow-worker. Their activities were soon shared by a remarkable group of ardent amateurs, all busy re-discovering neglected plants and popularising better ways of gardening. The disability of restricted sight, which had prevented Miss Jekyll from painting pictures with brushes, was by the law of compensation turned into an unexpected development of painting living pictures with growing plants. The late Mr. Lathbury first induced her to write for his paper, the Guardian, and she expanded her articles into a book, “Wood and Garden,” published in 1899. This was followed in 1900 by “Home and Garden,” and in the ensuing years by other books on “Lilies,” “Wall and Water Gardens,” “Children’s Gardening,” “Colour Schemes for the Garden,” and “Flower Arrangements,” besides one entitled “Old West Surrey,” embodying recollections of bygone country ways, to be re-issued, with amplification, in 1925, under the title of “Old English Household Life.” All these books were copiously illustrated with photographs, taken and developed by Miss Jekyll’s own hand.
From the beginning of 1900, when the Garden newspaper became the property of Country Life, Miss Jekyll undertook its co-editorship with Mr. Ernest Cook, and only relinquished it after 2½ years owing to the strain on her eyesight. But her interest in garden schemes, her own horticultural work including the distribution through the trade of improved strains of some of her favourite flowers, the recapture of many sweet and almost vanished climbing roses and garden plants, and the planning and beautifying of gardens of all sorts and sizes, went on to the end of her life.
From 1895, when her mother died, onwards, this work was carried out from her own home at Munstead Wood, where she had made herself, with the help of Sir Edwin Lutyens, who had begun his professional career in her workshop in the early eighties, the home of her delight, surrounded by some 15 acres of typical Surrey woodland. In that year she was gratified to receive from the Royal Horticultural Society the Victorian medal of honour, just then instituted, and again in February, 1929, the Veitchian gold cup and 50 guineas prize. In later years she kept in touch by correspondence with her numerous clients and private friends, and with a widening circle at home and oversea, attracted by her writings. To her correspondents, enthusiastic, but often horticulturally inexperienced, she owed many a humorous twinkle and quiet chuckle. “Could you spare me some of those lovely flowers I saw in your garden last time I came; I think you called them Peacocks?” Some moments of hard thinking ensued, and a parcel of Narcissus Pallidus Praecox was presently dispatched with an informative postscript. “What is the aspect of the flower border you asked me to plan?” inquired Miss Jekyll of an enthusiastic correspondent, who baffled her by replying, “Most of the day it faces south-east, but due north all the morning.”
In the House of Nature there are many mansions, inhabited by widely divergent spirits. Darwin and Wallace took continents and oceans as their laboratories wherein to study strange and living creations; Wordsworth and Tennyson, lifting their eyes to the hills and the sky, discoursed of religion and philosophy. Gertrude Jekyll, to whom we now bid a grateful “Hail and Farewell,” sought ever for practical knowledge allied to beauty, and in that quest, whereby she may truly be said to have transfigured the gardens of England, she never grew old at heart or wearied in mind, was never discouraged by difficulty or defeated by failure, neither did she cease to share widely the fruits of her long and loving apprenticeship to Nature.
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BBC News May 20 2004
Rock legend's pilgrimage to castle
Former Led Zeppelin guitarist Jimmy Page has paid a visit to one of Wales' most famous landmarks after a 31-year wait.
Page was invited to Cardiff Castle after his contribution to a new book about the architect William Burges, who transformed the castle's interior.
A fan of the Victorian architect's work, Page lives in the house which Burges designed for himself in London and allowed it to be featured in a new book on Burges.
Page paid his last visit to the castle more than 30 years ago when his band played in the city, but he was not allowed inside.
"I was beating on the door in 1973, when I was playing in Led Zeppelin," he said.
"We were staying in the Angel Hotel and it was tantalisingly close, but they were doing it up or something at the time and I couldn't get in."
'Wonderful world'
Page added that his love for Burges' work began as a teenager.
"I had an interest going back to my teens in the pre-Raphaelite movement and the architecture of Burges," he said.
"What a wonderful world to discover."
In 1972, he bought Burges' London residence, The Tower House, which carries the architect's trademark attention to detail.
Page contributed to the book on Burges by Matthew Williams
"I was still finding things 20 years after being there - a little beetle on the wall or something like that," Page said.
"It's Burges' attention to detail that is so fascinating."
Tower House is the only property designed by Burges which is currently not open to the public.
But after hearing a request from Cardiff castle curator Matthew Williams, Page allowed pictures of his home to be featured in the new book, called William Burges, written by Mr Williams.
"If you have the privilege of living in a house like this and find someone else who is just as passionate about it, of course you want to help," said Page.
Extravagant designs
Mr Williams said he wanted to write a book about Burges' work and was thrilled when Page allowed him to photograph rooms of Tower House.
"The book took about eight months to complete and a lot of research went into it as well as trying to get pictures of his work," Mr Williams added.
"Jimmy Page was very good and let us into his home to take pictures, and it is really nice to see those pictures in the book because Tower House isn't open to the public.
"The last book on Burges was written 23 years ago and it was quite an in-depth book, so I wanted to create a book which would be a lot more accessible to people."
The reputation of William Burges (1827-1881) rests on his extravagant designs and his contribution to the Gothic revival in architecture in the nineteenth century.
As well as Cardiff Castle and Tower House, Burges designed the lavish interior of Castell Coch, on the outskirts of Cardiff.
Jimmy Page relaxing at Cardiff Castle
Jimmy Page and Matthew Williams
I wonder if he has #1 insured? After all it's priceless. Could you tell us for how much it's insured SAJ?
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Many were hand illustrated, so as rock became more corporate they became a casualty.
Informal arrangements between local promoters and the artists gave the poster artists more liberty than the more commercial enterprises ever permitted.