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  1. tmtomh

    New "Song Remains The Same" 2CD/4LP/3DVD Deluxe Set

    Folks, it's definitely just a remaster of the 2007 version - so no original No Quarter, no restored Crunge section in Whole Lotta Love, and no superior guitar solo in Celebration Day. I've bought all the prior reissues, and I really love the Blu-Ray of How the West Was Won and don't care about the removal of "Mary Lou" from Whole Lotta Love - but this time, I'm taking a pass. No reason to get this: Fans already have pieced together great edits combining the original tracks with the added 2007 tracks, and remastered the whole thing to all sound similar and superior to the official versions. The sound quality on this new reissue likely will top the fan versions, but probably only slightly, and it's just not worth it IMHO given the horrid edits in the official 2007 version.
  2. I'm with you on this, but it is what it is. Also, the 2007 LP set was half-speed mastered by Stan Ricker. Not trying to be a jerk - just FYI.
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    New Yardbirds

    New Yardbirds footage on YouTube - and on bootlegs and everywhere else - claims to be from October '68, but it's not. If memory serves, it's from parts of two shows in '69. One is from mid-March.
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    Favorite Plantations

    I always liked the Bridge the Midget Plantation from the 1971 BBC show. Plus the "1-2-3 Mr. Bonham!" interlude in Osaka 929 when Bonham leaves the stage for awhile.
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    Weakest Studio Album Opening Track

    Yeah, this was a band that really knew how to open an album. If I had to pick a weakest opener, though, it would be what's been mentioned: either Custard Pie or the fake-soundcheck We're Gonna Groove from Coda. I love Custard Pie, and like paul, I prefer the real live version of WGG to the fake version on Coda. On the other hand, the 7-track Physical Graffiti Deluxe Companion disc opens with a version of Trampled Under Foot, and I've been very impressed with that as an opener. So I agree there were other choices besides Custard Pie to open PG well.
  6. That's a great deal! I got mine from Amazon Canada because it was the best deal at the time I ordered it. Cost me about $19US including shipping, and I'm happy enough with that price. Mine arrived yesterday in great shape, with both stickers. And yes, I slit the shrinkwrap from the top. 😀 Quick tip RE slicing open the shrink, to avoid damaging the top edges of the sleeve: and the record: use an Xacto knife (or whatever) to make a very small cut(s) wherever there is a natural air gap at the top of the sleeve. Then use a duller, non-damaging thin item like a guitar pick to extend the small slit the full width of the top.
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    Underrated/overrated shows

    I think the OP's list is great and covers a lot of the bases (and yes. 6-22-77 was the first show that popped into my head when I read the thread title). And subsequent posts I mostly agree with too. For overrated, I'd add Vancouver 3-21-70. Tried and tried but cannot get into it, and esp. compared to other 1970s shows - Royal Albert Hall, Montreux, LA Forum, Madison Square Garden, and of course Bath - it just pales. For 1980, to each their own, but I don't think anyone can call it overrated, because it's so frequently trashed - you can say it sucks, but you can't call something overrated if it already has a bad reputation. For underrated, I'd throw in Tokyo 9-23-71. It's a well-regarded show, but still criminally overlooked in general because of the legendary 929 show. 929 has a slight edge because the setlist is so very unusual and interesting - but 9-23 is fully its equal performance-wise IMHO. Oh - and I'll also include the Paris 10-10-69 show in the underrated category. No, it's not April '69 on the US West Coast, but still, I've always loved this show ever since I first heard it many years ago - and since it got released officially as the Zep I companion disc, its reputation seems to have gone from "okay" to "bad," for reasons that IMHO have absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the performance. I think it's great, and also pretty interesting - hilarious stage banter, a fantastic You Shook Me, the only Good Times Bad Times/Communication Breakdown opener that exists in decent sound quality, and the first known live performance of Moby Dick (not to mention the only known live performance of the track before Zep II's release date).
  8. She is credited. And she even has her own, fifth symbol.
  9. Too young to have seen them live, but I agree about this track - and I think we're fortunate to have it, as it's the only known professionally recorded live version where Plant's voice still allows him to sing the original melody and hit the original notes. And it's a great performance.
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    Companion discs are rubbish

    I'm really liking the alt version of Friends from the Record Store Day single.
  11. Any candidate would have to exist in multitrack form - soundboards will not be released. The only two-track mixdowns that would be/have been released are things like BBC and the 1969 Paris show, which were mixed for broadcast - far different than a normal soundboard, which is mixed for the venue and therefore not as balanced or polished as a mixdown for broadcast. To me the obvious choice is Earls Court: 2 full dates multitracked, and part of a 3rd date multitracked, very good to excellent performances, 3 nights' worth of vocals to mix and match for the best result - and among the longest sets Zep ever played, meaning Page could cut out plenty of stuff he feels is not up to snuff and would still easily have 2-1/2 hours' worth of first-rate material for a 3-CD/4-LP/Blu-Ray audio release similar to How the West Was Won. I'm not saying they won't put out other shows too - for example Japan '71 - but it's hard for me to imagine them trying to salvage a passable Southampton release, or cobble together a full-ish setlist from Knebworth, without first releasing Earls Court. And yes, I would be over the moon if a properly mixed two-track tape of Montreux 1970 exists in Claude Nobs' vault and if it could be officially released. That show is a killer, and aside from Japan I think it's one of the only shows on our dream/wish-list that might actually have an existing source that we haven't heard yet, and that is good enough sound quality for Page to release it. Time will tell...
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    Mono mixes on ITTOD companion?

    Thanks! Yes, Zep never released true mono mixes of anything. As for Good Times Bad Times/Communication Breakdown, there's a very nice rip circulating of that one (I think from a French 45), and even with the Haeco-CSG process, the resulting center-of-the-mix energy is quite something: Communication Breakdown just punches you in the face from the first moment to the last. It's very cool.
  13. I agree with the OP - TSRTS version, the original 1976 mix/edit, is the best. Happy to have so many versions available on bootlegs, but the official one still is tops IMHO.
  14. Only the Super Deluxes come with the download codes.
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    Hot Damn!

    Montreux '70 is a ferocious show. IMHO among the very best live Zep on tape from any era of the band.
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    Am thinking Jimmy must be the sb source

    I agree with pretty much everything you say here. RE Southampton and O2 rehearsal, it's hard to imagine that enough people had access to that, that it would prevent Page from identifying the culprit. So it stands to reason that he either knew who it was and didn't mind, or gave someone a nod and a wink to do it, or didn't know for sure who it was but also didn't care. RE '75 and '77, that's an interesting theory. I'm inclined to believe we're not done with '77 yet, mainly because we got 4-27 Cleveland but not the amazing 4-28 show from the same venue - not to mention Pontiac 4-30 and the 6-21 to 27 LA shows. But for '75 your theory makes a lot of sense. While 3-12 Long Beach and the 3-24-27 LA run are not yet circulating in soundboard form, 3-21 Seattle was basically the holy grail of that tour and now it's out. Hard to see EVSD having released that one if they had other '75 shows still in the can.
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    Led Zeppelin II Vinyl question

    There are some early copies of Zep II with "LH" in the matrix instead of "RL" on one or both of the sides. In 2016 a discogs member emailed about this with Robert Ludwig himself, and here's what he wrote - the discogs member's preface is first, followed by Ludwig: [Discogs member:] I wrote Robert Ludwig in the last week and he wrote me back. All the versions from sterling are the same hot mix. The subtle variances between them are all simply from the slight differences in making a hand-made analog lacquer disc, at least one of which was sent to all the pressing plants at the time. The CTH plant got a lacquer that was half RL and half LH (Lee Hulko, his partner) but was of the SAME MIX AND MASTER, based on RL's notes. THEY ARE ALL THE SAME, aside from subtle variances and should be valued the SAME no matter who's initials are in the dead wax. They are all the same master from STERLING SOUND! Here is my reply from Robert Ludwig. Let this be the final word in this debate. Thanks! [Ludwig:]Hi Jim,I'm surprised about Lee Hulko's initials being on some of the parts. In all these years I had never come across any copies with his initials before.When there were big orders of certain titles and there wasn't physically enough time for one person to crank out the lacquers as fast as the record company wanted, sometimes we would help each other out.For instance, my initials might appear on a Beatles record that Lee mastered. In every case, compared to now, those titles were relatively easy to master. Once one of us mastered an album and it was approved, we made careful notes, either one of us could cut it and it should come out the same. Back then, Lee and I shared the one room and worked different hours so it is possible one of the plants blew a part and needed a replacement right then with no delay.So after I mastered the album (which Eddie Kramer & Atlantic approved) it was shipped to all the radio stations and the initial pressing was all from me and Sterling Sound.Amhet Ertegun at Atlantic heard the album (which Eddie demanded be as hot as possible) and apparently it skipped on his daughters little turntable. Instead of calling us at Sterling and asking us to lower the level a little and telling us where it skipped, they had the disk cutters at Atlantic use my EQ'd cassette file copy and they cut it WAY lower than my original cut plus, in my opinion, it sounded dull and generally not very good sounding in comparison.So all the disks that were played at the radio stations and all the initial pressings world wide came from me (and apparently Lee cut a part or two) and that was what "sold" the record and made it a hit. A year later, whenever I visited someone I would look at their Zeppelin II album to see if it was my cut or Atlantic's cut. It was easy to see by eye, the Atlantic cut ended much farther from the label and the grooves to the naked eye looked very conservative. So... sometimes you can find a "LH" cut for less money than the RL ones go for. According to the above, it might not sound identical to the RL, but it should sound very close and have the same basic sonic qualities that everyone loves.
  18. Great review! The Blu-Ray stereo track does have a spoken intro to Dancing Days, although it's tracked at the end of What Is and What Should Never be, rather than at the beginning of Dancing Days.
  19. How the West Was Redone is of course more dynamic, being the surround mix downmixed to stereo (with some useful tweaks by Winston). But I have to say, I prefer the new remaster - more presence, particularly Plant's voice, better bass without being overpowering like the official 2003 stereo mastering, and just more natural and organic sounding. How the West Was Redone is more crankable of course - but the new remaster is more crankable than the official 2003 version, and the new remaster is not fatiguing at higher volumes like the 2003 version is. I'm holding on to my copy of Redone, of course. But I do like the new official remaster the best of all the versions that are out there, official and unofficial. Just my $.02. YMMV.
  20. They were going to, near the end of the tour as they had done in '73 and '75. But the final leg of the tour got cut short when Robert Plant's son died, so they never played the show(s) that were slated to be multitrack recorded.
  21. Very cool solution! I created a version of Whole Lotta Love with Mary Lou added back in, splicing Mary Lou from the 2003 DVD-A into the new HD file. Also pretty easy and took just a few minutes.
  22. Very true! Although in 2003 there never would have been a vinyl version, no matter what, especially not a release that would require 4 LPs. The vinyl revival only really began around 2007 (which is why the 2007 expanded/redone The Song Remains the Same soundtrack had a 4-LP release half-speed mastered by Stan Ricker).
  23. Agreed on all counts. Would have loved to have Mary Lou again, but I have to admit I can see why Page might have cut it - the song flows more logically without it.