I'm getting my "info" from having actually watched the show. I haven't made any "rediculous (sic) statements to the contrary". I've pointed out that like the first 30 minutes of Letterman's show, Johnny Carson also did a monologue followed by a comedy sketch or one of his trademark bits before bringing out the first guest of the evening. You want to keep turning that around into a discussion about the differences between the shows which I'm well aware of. I even pointed out the unconventionality of Letterman's show and how it has never revolved around the traditional talk show elements. I suggest you "go back and check". For one, how about trying to actually speak knowledgeably about the subject at hand instead of making false accusations directed at me about how I've never even seen the program in question. Believe me, I have. How would you even know whether I have or not? You entered this discussion by making the very dangerous assumption that I'd never seen the program based purely on the fact that I disagreed with you about how Carson spent the first half hour of his show. Please tell me what it is I'm "making up". Aren't you the one that is evidently so knowledgeable about my activities that you have the ability to somehow know what television programs I have seen (and have not seen) throughout the course of my lifetime? And you know that what I have stated time and time again is "false" how? My knowledge comes from having actually watched The Tonight Show. If anyone is being dishonest, it's you, the person that apparently has the uncanny ability to know what shows I have and haven't seen. You have nothing else to base your argument on so rather than accepting the fact that you're wrong, you accuse me of having never seen the show. Have you ever considered the reality that you are still evading the question? As for your latest accusation (another based solely on another of your assumptions), just take a look at the discussions I've taken part in on this board and show me where people are not having a discourse with me. To the contrary, you'll very quickly see where they indeed are discussing subjects with me. How about the next time you want to accuse someone of something, you base it on actual facts rather than continuing to make assumptions. Since you seem to be all seeing and all knowing (to quote Carnac the Magnificent) how about informing all of us as to the program I'm not watching right now.

I'm not sure exactly what happened but various members have been very vocal about their dissatisfaction with the label for quite some time now, particularly Patterson in an interview he did with Flagpole magazine a couple of years ago. In fact, he was so angry at the time the interview was conducted he made some comments he later had to clarify. In the years since he has penned a song directed at New West called Assholes. Also, during their appearance on Late Night with Conan O'Brien last year both Cooley and Shonna had FNW (Fuck New West?) written on their respective instruments. In that Flagpole interview Patterson appeared to be unhappy with how New West handled his desire to release his second solo record (which is being released by Ruth Street). The same is true of former member Jason Isbell, who's first solo album (Sirens of the Ditch) was held up by New West for years. Drive-By Truckers on Late Night with Conan O'Brien Image posted on Jason Isbell's MySpace site the night he and the Drive-By Truckers went their separate ways. It is still unclear as to what was behind the split but part of it seems to be based on the long delayed release of his debut solo record, Sirens of the Ditch

I don't think I even once mentioned being "surprised" at any aspect of the Raising Sand Revue's performance. I was merely commenting on the reaction by some portions of the audience to the Zeppelin songs (and ones they covered). That was in reference to Ninelives' comment about some people coming just for the Zeppelin songs at Plant shows. I've seen lots of performers explore the extremes of music both onstage and off but very few have been able to pull it off with the finesse displayed by the musicians T-Bone assembled for Raising Sand the album and the tour that followed. That was my point, not that it had never been done before by anybody. Bill Graham put together some of the most eclectic bills that any promoter ever has at his various venues. Too bad that sort of eclecticism is in such short supply these days.

I have no idea what "Classic Rock" is but older rock n' roll is revered for a reason, it has been around long enough to achieve that status. Today's music is still new and hasn't had a chance to become revered yet. That doesn't mean there's nothing out there worthy of notice because there is. In fact, there's so much of it it's next to impossible to keep up with it all. "Today's rock" also sends very mixed signals. What is this "historian's" reference point for "today's rock"? Is it what's on commercial radio? If so, then no wonder he feels the way he does. In this day and age there is a much broader barometer one can use to sample music. If it's limited only to what's commercially successful I'd be put out too but thankfully there's many more resources for finding new music out there than that. The pioneers of blues, big band, country, rockabilly, etc. helped to create the blueprint for rock n' roll, artists (including Led Zeppelin) have drawn inspiration from it for nearly 50 years now and the creative well still hasn't run dry. Did Led Zeppelin have the best riffs in rock? They were surely very inventive and creative but they also weren't the only ones willing to go out on a limb creatively. That sort of experimentation continues to this day, it didn't suddenly end somewhere along the way. Some want to try to put rock n' roll into some sort of box. One of those boxes is something some refer to as "Classic Rock" but to my ears, the progression of rock n' roll music isn't so easily categorized as there are still many artists out there that are continuing to push the creative envelope. That sort of innovation in rock n' roll hasn't stopped and considering how long it's already been in existence, it most likely never will.

One thing that made the Raising Sand Revue show I saw so intriguing was the audience. There were some people there that were Alison fans, some were Plant/Zep fans which made for a very interesting cross section of people. I must say some of the biggest reactions were to the Zeppelin songs. The band could go from a very pensive and introspective moment to dropping the hammer of the Gods without warning in the next. This would cause the Zeppelin fans to begin fist pumping, headbanging and going nothing short of apeshit crazy during the Zeppelin songs. It was quite the spectacle to behold. The merging of these two musical worlds couldn't have been more effective, powerful or moving. I'm so glad I was there to witness that and can't wait to see to what heights they will take it next. I understand some people simply just not being into it but forging ahead onto new musical ground is one of the many things Led Zeppelin did best. To see Plant continue down that same path, especially during this stage of his career, makes me very happy to be still be along for the journey.

Considering the number of performers that have been taken to the cleaners over the years in regards to business dealings I'm sure Jagger's background in number crunching has come in handy on more than one occasion. As far as their commercial liaisons, they were doing as far back as 1964.

You came into this conversation by immediately accusing me of having never even seen The Tonight Show without having a single fact to base that on. I have repeatedly stated I was an avid viewer beginning in the 70s when it was still a live 90 minute broadcast up until Carson's retirement in '92. You formed an opinion that I'd never seen the program prior to even entering the conversation. So, since you seem to feel you know everything about me (including what television programs I have and haven't seen), do you think I was born then? You're the one citing sources such as Wiki for information while accusing me of doing the same thing when I've done nothing of the sort. How about trying to wrap your head around the fact that I actually have seen the program and really was an avid viewer of it until Carson retired instead of falsely accusing me of having never seen it. I know the difference between the programs. Since you seem to need to be reminded yet again, you said some of the late night show hosts piss away the first half their programs by not getting to the guests fast enough for you. I mentioned Carson to prove the point that he did the same thing Letterman does. His monologue was followed by a sketch or comedy bit prior to bringing out his first guest. I'm not sure what it is you don't seem to understand about that other than you must not have really watched The Tonight Show. If you had actually seen it you would know that he didn't usually bring out the first guest until a good half hour into the program. It appears you lack the ability to comprehend even the simplest of facts. Once again, what are you basing this so-called "evidence" on? You entered the conversation accusing me of never having seen The Tonight Show. On what exactly are you basing that assumption? You don't even know me so how would you know whether I've seen it or not? You keep harping on the Letterman/Leno thing when I have repeatedly explained my reasoning for mentioning Carson. As for clips, I haven't referenced or even posted any clips. My comments are based on facts, not assumptions. Oh, and one of those facts is that I have actually watched The Tonight Show. And this is yet another one of your assumptions. What have I said that isn't truthful and honest? This coming from a person who is accusing me of having never seen The Tonight Show when you have no idea whether I've have or not. You also continue to evade answering a very simple question, exactly when and how have 60 Minutes and Letterman "campaigned for Obama"? Your inability to answer tells me one thing, you have no answer. One ability you do have is the ability to assume things. Just as you continue to assume I've never seen The Tonight Show without having a single fact to base that on, I can only guess you're also making another huge assumption with your accusation that 60 Minutes and Letterman are "campaigning for Obama".

From CountryStandardTime.com: The Drive-By Truckers are no longer on New West Records. The band will sign with a new, existing label, but exactly who that will be was not disclosed by the band's publicist. New West will release a DVD and B-side rarities disc, apparently closing out the contract between the band and label. The DBT most recently released "Brighter Than Creation's Dark" last year. Lead singer Patterson Hood is readying a solo CD for release in June.

Wasn't he originally an accountant (or planning on going into accounting) prior to being in the Rolling Stones?

According to the statement issued by Page's manager; Page, Jones and Jason Bonham are no longer looking for a singer. When they were, Jones made it clear they weren't interested in a Plant soundalike.

Actually, that would be you. I've seen the show. Like I've said, I was an avid viewer of The Tonight Show until Carson's retirement. You're the one citing sources such as Wiki. I know they were different. It was you that has said Leno, Letterman, etc. piss away the first half of their shows before getting to their first guest. Well, if a monologue followed by a "bit" is your definition of "pissing away" then Carson did the exact same thing. In your very post on this topic you mentioned that 60 Minutes and Letterman are "campaigning for Obama" so if anyone is "getting into politics" it's you. Besides, just like you're completely off the mark about The Tonight Show, the same is true of this accusation. You might want to try actually watching the programs you're talking about so you can get your foot out of your mouth.

I haven't gotten any info from Google or Wiki. Unlike you I actually watched the program. So 60 Minutes doing segments about Obama and Dave saying "he's getting things done" amount to them "campaigning" for him?

It's obvious at this point that you've never even seen a single episode of The Tonight Show as even the most casual of viewers could tell you Carson's monologue was immediately followed by sketches and skits involving his various personas Carnac the Magnificent., Floyd R. Turbo, Art Fern and others prior to the first guests of the evening appearing. My point in mentioning Carson was to illustrate that Letterman has followed the same pattern in that his monologue is immediately followed by a segment (sometimes the Top Ten, sometimes a bit) prior to the first guest being brought out. In some instances Letterman has been known to introduce the first guest directly after his monologue, whereas Carson always worked in a segment between his monologue and the first guest. You have still neglected to mention how either 60 Minutes or Letterman have continued to "campaign for Obama".

Don Dixon solo and Mitch Easter's four piece combo followed by the duo Jews & Catholics at the Garage in Winston-Salem. All of this was proceeded by a discussion of the recording of R.E.M.'s Mumur by co-producers Don Dixon and Mitch Easter moderated by Parke Puterbaugh from Rolling Stone.

As I previously mentioned, it was their very raw, primeval approach to rock n' roll that they had in common with punk rock, plus the audiences' reaction to them.

As I've said, I was an avid viewer of The Tonight Show during Carson's tenure. He didn't have his first guest on until at least 30 minutes into the show. Same for Dave. Since you aren't even the least bit aware of that indicates you must have never seen a single episode of The Tonight Show when Carson was hosting.

You didn't say that in so many words but when your reply to one of my posts was this: "Well I was there back in the day and they were definitely not Punk, Glam perhaps" I certainly got the impression you thought I was trying to make the point that AC/DC were punk rock. As for the second part of your question, it goes to show you actually haven't read every post in this thread as I never said a thing about my Dad, it was Broken Levee that mentioned that. Well, we were until you said the discussion had gotten off topic.

If so, I obviously have no problem with that. It's been a while since I've seen it and not that I'd put myself through watching it again, I just seem to remember a bunch of whining from most of all of them. Sort of like the Behind the Music specials that featured Styx and Creed.

You'd be wise to go back and read that part of the discussion (which wasn't off-topic, if it was then you're now also off-topic) before replying because I was never trying to make the point that they were a punk rock band. What was discussed is how I could see how someone could have that perception of them. I say that from a firsthand account, having seen them in concert myself prior to Bon Scott dying. I never said that "Just because someone writes about it or produces documentaries which projects their opinions and interpretations" made it "so".

Kiss' album packaging was always something to look forward to. Gene Simmons may have given Criss and Frehley hell for their problems and perhaps they've even deserved some of it but he's one of the most misogynistic performers I'm aware of in rock n' roll (right next to Ted Nugent). And, while one of his biggest virtues is his knack for merchandising/marketing all things Kiss (including himself), it's also one of his biggest downfalls. I think they've now had more "farewell" tours than the Who and the Eagles combined.

I guess you don't have anything then because you keep coming up empty, not to even mention completely clueless on that front. I don't know where you ever got the highly mistaken impression that I haven't seen any of those shows (especially The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson) but from the total misinformation you've spewed in this thread it sounds like you've never seen a single episode of any of them yourself.

Cliffs of the Neuse State Park, Seven Springs, NC Never camped there but I have done lots of hiking there over the years. We also used to skateboard down the spillway until park rangers would run us off. It's a very beautiful spot and is noted for it's mountain-like terrain despite being many hours away from the NC mountains.

Funny how on Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom it was usually host Marlin Perkins that was back in the safety of the studio while Jim Fowler was the one actually out in the wild cavorting with the animals. On the subject of The Lawrence Welk Show, it's a wonder Brewer and Shipley's One Toke Over the Line even made it onto the airwaves and was introduced as a "spiritual" no less. Most have been that "sweet Jesus" line that did it:

Considering the question ("My dad said that back in his day, AC/DC was considered punk rock. Does anyone else agree?") was directly related to AC/DC I fail to see how the discussion of it was "off-topic". It's even an aspect of AC/DC that's covered in the Heavy: The Story of Metal documentary.

I'm quite the opposite. If one of their songs comes on the radio I can't change the station fast enough. There was a time when I liked them and I do admit there is a tune or two of theirs that brings back some good memories but they were also one of the corporate rock type bands that I became much less fond of over the years. I'm surprised their Behind the Music special even made the airwaves as it had to be downright embarrassing for most involved, especially Jonathan Cain who must have cried a river of tears during his segment. Then, there's always this, which got a well deserving skewering via Beavis & Butthead.