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19 hours ago, JTM said:
Yes, but Ian Anderson did'nt use make up.
OK fair enough. Stays on my list though. I'm probably a bigger fan of that JT era now more than ever too. Incredibly tight band.
The whole Robert Plant stage persona when I first saw TSRTS did surprise me a little. Again my only real complaint was the imbalance of press, camera time, photos, lighting and interviews during their existence was pretty annoying. You see the same thing with a lot of bands.
Aerosmith bothers me too for this reason. Joe Perry gets credit for much of Brad Whitord's playing.. Not Perry's fault. He says he couldn't do what he does without Brad.
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10 minutes ago, JTM said:
......(and) Didn't they all look ridiculous, never got that camp theatrical look, don't think Ian Anderson should be on your list though.
The tights and cod piece?
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As mentioned the wardrobe was a sign on the times and pretty tame compared to a lot of artists..
Bowie
Elton John
NY Dolls
Kiss
Queen
Sweet
Ian Anderson....
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23 hours ago, JTM said:
Robert Plants hand waving on stage, all of Jimmy Page's stage moves. Wish the pair of them had just kept stock still, much cooler...
I agree on Robert but Jimmy was the coolest on stage of anyone. A natural.
My little thing I don't like is how uneven the lighting, photos and camera time were .. Roughly 50% Jimmy, 30% Robert 20% JPJ and JB.
If there were 4 spotlights, 3 were on Jimmy 1 on Robert. None on the rhythm section. This improved from 77 on, but up to and especially 75 it is embarrassing. Camera hogs...
The Earls Court footage of IMTOD is so lopsided that they added Moby Dick shots of Bonzo to even it out a little (notice the tambourine on his high hat...) JPJ accidentally got in a few shots..
That's about it.
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2 hours ago, Balthazor said:
Just my two cents on the whole access thing and whether or not Jimmy was fibbing on the stand. While there's no way of knowing one way or the other, I can totally believe Page's assertion. I'll use myself as an example. I have every Megadeth CD. Some I've listened to a thousand times and have virtually memorized every note on the album. Others I've listened to once or twice, and I have really no clue what songs are evrn on them. I've seen them play I think four times, but have no recollection of exactly what songs they played. Now, if I sat down and wrote a song that happened to sound exactly like a song on one of those CDs or that they played at one of those concerts, people could look at the situation and say hey, he's got all their albums, he's seen them play live, he's a big fan, so he's clearly ripped off the song. But that wouldn't be the case at all.
In light of that, I can totally buy what Page is saying. Especially given that he's got like 100 times as many albums as I do. It seems totally feasible that he could be a big fan of Spirit and own the album with Taurus on it, but have no recollection of the song whatsoever. Because someone could play me a song off some Megadeh CD like Supercollider or Thirteen, both of which are sitting on my shelf, and I'd say nope, never heard that song in my life. And it's not as if Taurus is the most gripping and memorable song in the first place.
Great point. I have CDs, DVDs, recordings on my DVR, and Books that I intend to listen to, watch or read someday.. Haven't done so yet. Jimmy is a collecter .. He may never intend to do this .. He might. Having it in no way proves he heard it.
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Great news for the boys!!
Did the jury mention anything about Strider forgetting his wallet?
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9 hours ago, kingzoso said:
It makes as much sense as a person going to a Federal Court and "seemingly" forgetting his wallet to provide identification to enter said Courtroom. Now that is a prerequisite. As you supposedly claimed you "forgot" your wallet when you just acknowledged that speaking English is also a prerequisite.
How can I believe what you type, when it is such a basic and inherent task as taking your wallet whenever you leave your own abode? Money, Identification, etc...
Is there a difference on this to you?
Are you also very fluent in Spanish?
Please tell Me (at least) what makes sense to you...
One question... Why would he pretend he forgot his wallet?
Personally.. I would be much more embarrassed admitting I had forgotten my wallet than I would about the courtroom limiting the number able to attend the trial in person..
He's telling the truth.. and I'll repeat jsj's advice .. let it go..
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6 hours ago, kingzoso said:
Post 9/11, there are protocols that require identification whenever entering a "federal" building. Like I said, in this case of a certain magnitude, and with the defendants being Jimmy Page and Robert Plant, there will be a lot of restrictions of who can enter the courthouse and courtroom.
For someone as beloved on this forum as Strider, to "forget" to bring his wallet, money and identification, to such a signification ordeal as this, makes Me question everything that he has ever posted. It is one thing to say that you were there, but it is another to actually prove that you were there.
How is it that Strider forgot to take money and a valid ID when he left home to go to a trial concerning Jimmy Page and Robert Plant?
I know that you will read this, so please explain your inconsistencies. No ID, no money, but you had the space to see a member of Spirit.
You make a lot of assumptions.
Strider cares enough about this case to miss work and go to the Courthouse. He didn't get in the courtroom. No ID. That's good enough for me.
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This is one case they should win and deserve to win. But, and I hate to say this, but here goes... This lawsuit wouldn't have had any traction at all if there weren't numerous examples of improper credits in their catalog.. It would have been laughed right out of the Court.. Live and learn.
I also hate to see the late Randy California's name being pulled into this. The man drowned saving his son almost 20 years ago and as far as I know isn't involved in this lawsuit whatsoever... That is not directed at Jimmy or Robert either.
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On 3/19/2016 at 1:57 PM, borrowed time said:
There is indeed a band that has become the next generation of Led Zeppelin. Their sound is every bit as hard driving and guitar driven as Zep's. They have a Metal/Blues mix where as Zep had a Blues/Metal mix. Both of their music and sounds had/have an "other-Worldly" aspect to them.
What band you ask?? Godsmack
Didn't see that coming.
Good band but.. everything I hear by Godsmack sounds pretty much the same. Sully Erna's solo project was interesting though.
When I'm in the mood for Led Zeppelin, there's nobody better.
When I'm in the mood for Yes, there's nobody better.
When I'm in the mood for Pink Floyd, Queen, Rush, The Ramones, Radiohead, Black Sabbath, Tony Williams, Zappa, Kraftwerk, Eric Dolphy, etc... Yep nobody better...
I'm usually in the mood for Zeppelin more than most other bands though. They just offer so many different options musically, more than most.
Like Dark Lord pointed out, their rare combination of chemistry, talent, charisma, freedom and opportunity put LZ in a position that not many band's get.
And as Steve pointed out, that door has pretty much closed. It's a whole different ballgame.
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I've seen 2010 reunion footage on YouTube. It was obvious something was very wrong. Poor guy was barely using his ring and pinky fingers on his right hand. They were kind of tucked in.
Luckily, he had one of the greatest left hands of any keyboardist ever, so he was compensating for it as much as he could. But, his playing was affected by his ailment and he had to deal with some limitations. Obviously so much of his music is very difficult to play and being a perfectionist.. Just sad.
Terrible loss of one of our greatest musical virtuosos..
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... As of today
1) PG
2) LZ3
3) Untitled
4) LZ
5) LZ2
6) HOTH
7) Presence
8) ITTOD
9) Coda
... official live
1) TSRTS
2) HTWWW
3) BBC
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9 hours ago, slave to zep said:
Thanks, chase. You might enjoy some of the stuff on the you tube video s I posted. He had a great rock voice... "old raccoon eyes"
He sounds very good. Almost a blend of Rod Stewart and Freddie Mercury. More Stewart obviously, but some higher pitch going on. Thanks.
I've been on youtube all morning looking up different Keith Emerson footage. I found Rachel Flowers playing Tarkus and Trilogy flawlessly. Five minutes in, I realize she's blind. Incredibly moving. The talent out there is ridiculous. It's a shame that the powers that be in the music industry are pedalling so much crap when there is this unbelievable talent out there.
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^ My friend Warren must be gutted by this passing. A phenomenal player in his own right, Keith Emerson was his main inspiration. Jamming tonight .. Will be hearing Hoedown and Tarkus within the hour.. Rest in Peace Keith.
2 musical geniuses gone in less than a week in Sir George Martin, now the amazing Keith Emerson.. Not familiar with Jon English, but Rest In Peace as well to him..
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6 hours ago, Dr Death said:
For those that don't know the whole story, and based off what I've read, not many do, Coverdale was in debt to his record company. He owed them over $300,000 dollars and set out to make 1987 a huge success. He knew they had the songs, with much of the thanks being owed to John Sykes, who was a great guitarist and worked really well with David.
But, after being sacked, when Adrian Vandenberg joined, the violin bow was all his idea. I have a Coverdale/Page interview on tape where David discusses this and Page, ever so cool, said it didn't upset him, it just made him laugh. David said... 'What was I going to do? Tell him no?' When talking about Vandenberg's idea to use a bow in the video.
I'm one of those that is a big fan of David's. His time with Jimmy was the best for Jimmy post Zeppelin by a long shot! The fact that so many Zeppelin fans hate David is a direct result of all the slamming of him that Robert did in the 80's. It's so funny too... Plant accusing someone of ripping him off, when so many of his so-called lyrics come straight out of blues songs recorded years before Zeppelin.
All I can say to those that don't like David is you have no idea what you're missing! He's a very talented singer and has produced some incredible music over the years! Oh, and as a guitarist, I can tell you that the riff in Still Of The Night is nothing like Immigrant Song. Immigrant Song is so easy to play, while Still Of The Night takes much more dexterity and skill. The riff is much more difficult to play. The only thing similar to the tracks is that both are in F#. But the riffs are not even close to being the same.
Yep knew all of that except for the amount of debt.. Coverdale had a deviated septum and required surgery and was going to be out of action for several months. He didn't keep the band on retainer. I also know he gave Adrian all the credit / blame for the bow. Like Coverdale couldn't have said no to it. Give me a break. Never said SOTN was as easy to play as Immigrant Song either. I said it had a similar gallop , which it does..
I do agree with you about Plant being rather hypocritical calling someone out for copying.
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On 2/17/2016 at 9:26 AM, Charles J. White said:
I think you are 100% wrong and here is why, the following could have been created by Led Zeppelin, it's David in the 1970's
You can think whatever you like Charles. I think Still Of The Night was an obvious attempt to boost Whitesnake in the States by modernizing their sound and image by using something proven that would get them more attention and sell them more records. No more Bernie Marsden in T-shirt's. Instead we get Adrian Vandenberg miming he's using a violin bow.
I prefer the earlier stuff. I bought Ready and Willing in 1980 and know Purples history as much as the next guy. So I'm familiar with Coverdales history. He's a great singer.
But again SOTN was pretty calculated and who really cares. It's still a great track.
Ritchie Blackmore has stated more than once that Led Zeppelin was a major reason Purple went heavier and replaced Simper and Evans with Gillan and Glover. He loved their direction and made DP a much heavier band largely because of Zeppelin.. Very cool he would even admit this..
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I still think Still Of The Night was an attempt to sound and look like Led Zeppelin. There is an obvious Immigrant Song gallop in the main riff, the middle section breakdown is very Whole Lotta Love like and the violin bow visual ... when there is as far as I can tell no violin bow in the track. What else could they be trying to imitate? Not Rainbow.. I love the song, but the attempt is pretty obvious.
Crying In The Rain is a great track and is IMO Whitesnake at their very best...
I would imagine the visual side is what irked the boys in LZ more than the music.
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Glad to hear some good reviews. After seeing some clips of the first few shows, I was concerned. They were detuning to the point that some of the music sounded off and Ozzy still was way off key..
I think I'm going to pass this time around though. I've seen Sabbath 4 times over the years.
1980 with Ronnie James Dio and Bill Ward..
1989 with Tony Martin, Cozy Powell, Neil Murray..
1999 Ozzfest original lineup.
and 2007 Heaven and Hell.
All were great shows..
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One of the funniest things I remember from that time was an article in Spin. I'm pretty sure it was a Plant interview. There was a picture of RP in his Zeppelin peak... Under it read "I come from the land of the ice and snow" Below was a picture of David Coverdale ... And it read .. "I do too"..
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23 minutes ago, The Rover 75 said:
Well said Steve, Coverdale did not just pop up out of nowhere. He replaced Ian Gillian in Deep Purple, so he got some good experience there. I get that many people don't like DC, we saw WS a couple of years ago, & had a blast. To each their own.
I can see where some of Robert's irritation towards David Coverdale came from.
Coverdale's Plant like blonde poodle perm popped up out of nowhere. Coverdale had brown hair for years.
The violin bow on Still of The Night popped up out of nowhere as did the whole overall LZ vibe of WS 87.
Plant should have let it go, better to ignore it... Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.. Etc.. His ego was wounded. He wasn't doing that type of music anymore and there was huge demand for that type of band. Whitesnake, Kingdom Come, Bonham.. etc were ready and willing to fill that void..
Coverdale's conversion seemed very calculated. I really liked 87 but it was always pretty obvious what it was about.
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21 hours ago, SteveAJones said:
The day the music died.
That is awesome. Almost as good as "Mockingbird" and "I Got You Babe" featuring Bob and Fred The Elephant Boy..
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20 hours ago, SteveAJones said:
I'm just broken up over Crackhead Bob.
Me too actually. Another great Wack Packer onto the next life.. Rest in Peace "Bob"
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27 minutes ago, Strider said:
Tessio sleeps with the fishes.
THIS IS NOT A HOAX!
This time, Abe Vigoda really is dead. Passed away at age 94. Goodbye Sal Tessio and Sgt. Fish! ?
http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/abe-vigoda-dead-dies-barney-miller-godfather-1201689081/
Tom, can you get me off the hook? For old times sake?
Can't do it Sally....
Rest in peace Abe
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2 hours ago, Walter said:
Thanks for posting that. I wish they could've figured it all out before it was too late.
I know, I saw that earlier. Very classy, and well thought out.
The Firm Thread
in Pre / Post-Zeppelin Forum
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Chris Slade had also recently toured with David Gilmour for his About Face tour.