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1 hour ago, Amstel said:
The mention of Jason Bonham with a full fledged "reunion" is a slap in the face to John Bonham. His kid has become a quality drummer, I'll give him that. He is not within a country mile of his great father!
Jason Bonham is the only drummer his father would want taking his place in a full fledged "reunion".. Anyone else would be a slap in the face to John Bonham. Country mile or not.
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I saw John 5 and The Creatures last night, April 6th at the Tupelo Hall in Derry NH.
I caught the last show at the old Tupelo in Londonderry NH on March 12th... Uli Jon Roth.
Both great guitarists.
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^ I caught one show on the WIC tour (Boston) and didn't see this at all. Not saying you didn't. The audience went bananas for everything they did. Boston crowds can get pretty crazy though.
To me, the Clarksdale material sounded much better live than the album. I didn't enjoy the album at all and still don't. Sounded flat to me.
One problem I've had with Jimmy's post Zeppelin collaborations... He's one of the best producers of the last 50 years ... and he had to share the role with Coverdale, Plant and Rodgers. In one way I get it. In another way it was ill advised.
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Rest In Peace Sib Hashian. He was a big drumming influence for me as a kid. Still is.. A very tasteful drummer.
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12 hours ago, Mithril46 said:
Why should Jimmy have had an issue with Coverdale in that interview, since he wasn't shackled into that project ??
I guess you could say Jimmy should have had an issue then with Paul Rodgers. Jimmy had much praise for Paul's
voice, but said a few times he wanted to attempt some more adventurous musical terrain, which was done a little bit,
but it was kind of implied that Paul wanted to stay in his comfort zone.
I don't think Page ever had an issue with DC. Which is why it was surprising he didn't say just that.
I agree with the other posters that he didn't want to upset RP by saying anything positive about the Coverdale Page project..
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Just now, Strider said:
What is the publishing date on this Led Zeppelin on Zeppelin book? Brand new or from a few years back?
2014 edited by Hank Bordowitz
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4 minutes ago, Strider said:
Was this from Mojo magazine? Matt Snow is a regular contributor there.
Yes. Originally published December 1994. Interview took place 9/29/1994
Yesterday, I picked up a book called Led Zeppelin on Led Zeppelin interviews and encounters.
It contains interviews through the years, including the Mojo interview.
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11 hours ago, babysquid said:
I'm not sure if he was being entirely serious. They'd just wrapped the issue up reasonably diplomatically and just as the interviewer points this out he comes out with this. I think it's an attempt at humor. Maybe an off the cuff joke that doesn't translate to the page very well.
He probably wasn't being serious.
I thought Robert's answer about John Paul Jones was honest and made some sense. But it was handled wrong. A call, business meeting, something was called for out of "professional courtesy" as Steve rightly put it, if not a professional obligation. His one liners and sarcastic wit cause a lot of unnecessary problems and bad feelings.
I find Jimmy Page more disappointing, at least in this interview.. He didn't, from what I gather have any type of issue with David Coverdale. Pleading the 5th was odd and kind of wimpy.
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From Led Zeppelin on Led Zeppelin interviews and encounters -
article by Mat Snow
dictated into my phone..
MS: is that why John Paul Jones was not asked? It would have thrown out the chemistry?
RP: apart from the fact it would be virtually Led Zeppelin and the next person you start talking about is Jason Bonham, which is just so cheesy and ridiculous, the fact is that our thread was this north African thing, was India, was the howlin wolf riffs. We focus together on those manual points, so rather than to confuse the issue let's see what we still got. So it's nothing at all personal. It's just that at this point in time you've got to get a result quickly to know if it's worth it.
JP: We were gaining so much momentum from the loops and working with Charlie and Michael, that quite honestly I for one wasn't thinking John Paul Jones. I was thinking about what we were getting together between the two of us and the rest of the band. It was its own thing before all of that started to become an issue.
RP: Jonesey, I really like what he does in the angles he employs in the projects he works on, which are far from the mainstream, and he has a great career in that respect. But I didn't think it was necessary for us to .... this is the pressure thing again.
JP: we are working together in all of a sudden everyone's saying John Paul Jones ought to be there.
RP: so anyway, it's good luck John, and maybe will all get together somewhere down the line.
JP: yeah in the future.
RP: but right now this thing is growing so much. We were about another nine songs written from a four piece angle.
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MS: returning, briefly to the exchange of messages in the press. For resuming your partnership, do you two gentlemen agree to disagree about Mr. Coverdale?
JP: i'll let you handle that.
RP: no no. He's your mate. Ha ha ha!
JP: well, I am not going to answer that question.
RP: that's very very well done you. You've come on a bundle!
JP: haha.
RP: and I am not going to either.
MS: how nice that there is a diplomatic accord here.
RP: well, I think he's a fucking idiot. Horses for courses: I worked with Phil Johnstone (Roberts man musical collaborator in the late 80s )– nobody's perfect.
JP: see what happens when you're already loose and for too long?
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I guess. The bottom line is they're good now..
The "parking the car" line never bothered me much either.. It's just another one of Robert Plant's goofy, odd one liners.. Watch JPJ on the David Letterman appearance and tell me his sense of humor isn't a little on the odd side as well..
Speaking for myself, I've always been guilty of supporting the underdog.. or the person who I feel was treated unfairly.. f'd over.. which is probably unnecessary in this case.. Even though JPJ was treated disrespectfully more than once.. He's a big boy and doesn't really need me or us to stick up for him.. But Robert did try to nudge him out of important events (Live Aid) and not really put him at the same level of importance as the other 2 surviving members.. which is a load of bollocks.. (going British here).. "Page and I" "Me and Page" blah blah blah... the "parking the car" was minor compared to that constant stance of exclusion.
Out of the 3 of them, John Paul Jones has not only maintained his high musical standards, he's improved on them. He is arguably an even better musician now than he was in Zeppelin's heyday. Not sure I'd say the same for Jimmy or Robert.
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21 minutes ago, tenyearsgone21 said:
Total agreement on this but it seems from what I've seen of this forum, people are always ready to blame Robert for everything and bc Jimmy wants to do nothing original but Zep reissues and reform the band, he is without any faults.
Jimmy catches more grief on here for the remasters and little to no solo activity than Robert does on every other issue combined.
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Because Plant acted like an arrogant ass and Jimmy did not.
That would be my guess.
Watch Robert at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ceremony and tell me you don't get douche chills.
But i agree and I'll go one further. Jimmy should have been the one to call John Paul Jones and tell him what was going on.
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Them Crooked Vultures would have been a very different project with Jimmy.
Not including Jimmy in TCV is hardly the same thing as not including John Paul Jones in P and P either. Jimmy getting worked up about it seems kind of ridiculous. The Jones Page Jason project had petered out by this point. Besides, JPJ, while not usually as high profile as TCV, always has something going.
Another point .. Robert would always say stuff like "if Page and I were to get back together" or "Page and I are always getting offers to get back together". He was leaving Jones out of the "what if" scenarios for years before it ever happened.
One thing positive I do remember was Robert saying he liked how Jones was going about his post Zeppelin career. This was a litte after JPJ had sat in with Lenny Kravitz.
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It's not so much that he wasn't asked.. to find out about it on MTV news was the insult. A call or an email would have done wonders..
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13 hours ago, IpMan said:
I wonder how Plant's personality takes criticism? I ask this because as Jones was the only classically trained musician within Zeppelin, it was likely Jones who would nix a musical idea which he knew would not work on a musical theory level. Having no formal musical training himself Plant may have taken some of Jones criticism personally. In other words, Plant may have looked upon Jones as an insufferable know it all. The whole Black Country good old boy rubbing against the stuffy London professional. Plus, Jones went his own way and was not known to partake in much of the Zep shenanigans compared to the other three. Plant may have thought Jones a bit of a snob.
I figure Plant and Jones got on well during ITTOD as they had more in common with each other at that particular moment in time, but once Zep ended, they drifted apart.
The only song JPJ received a writing credit for on Presence was Royal Orleans. No doubt for the amazing main riff... yes that's a Bass lick.
What did Robert do with it? He embarrassed the shit out of his bandmate by writing a tale about a friend who wakes up kissing whiskers in a hotel fire.
Was this good natured ribbing, ball busting or a nasty jab? Not sure, possibly all. But with the shit all 4 of them must have had on each other, it's a little weird that that incident was made into a song.
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Sometimes instruments that sound new, modern and fresh don't age all that well. It's like watching a CGI masterpiece from 20 years ago that looks dated and cheesy today.. The Alembic was it in the late 70's..
Much like Shaken n Stirred or Scream For Help. Pretty cool at the time.. dated today.
Robert has definitely learned from this and now able to combine modern sounds and technology with his roots. John Paul Jones is one of the most versatile major musicians on the planet.... all's well that ends well..
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1 minute ago, Mook said:
Some people take all this stuff far too seriously, there are people starving to death in the World, I'm not going to lose any sleep about what some millionaire rock stars say about each other in the press.
The Page & Plant thing was 20 years ago, it was great, it's done, no point crying over spilt milk now.
Well yeah.. besides they seem to be good now, and that's all that really matters.
But this a Led Zeppelin website right?.. so discussing LZ, their music, its members and history is why it exists.. it kind of goes with the territory.
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The best thing to come out of the Page and Plant collaboration was Zooma and The Thundertheif. John Paul Jones came out blazing and made 2 highly original solo albums. So thank you Jimmy and Robert.
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Peter Grant had no say whatsoever in the musical direction of Led Zeppelin .. and he didn't want any say for that matter. He was their Business Manager. They did their thing musically and he ran the business end.
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2 hours ago, Mercurious said:
A half-hearted release, at best. While we would have paid double for it because it had unreleased material, it ran only 33 minutes and included the "I Can't Quit You" we had already heard from the 1969 BBC performance, which many fans had taped off the radio (Westwood One broadcast it a few times in the early 1980s). It just made everybody sadder about the death of Bonham and the band.
I'd rather have Coda than not have Coda. Poor Tom, Walter's Walk, etc.. John Bonham is like a relentless battering ram through the whole thing. It's a great tribute.
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There is audio of Jimmy and the late great Jaco Pastorious playing together..
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10 hours ago, porgie66 said:
Shouldn't this now be "the months after Plants accident" thread?
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Yeah sorry, got a little sidetracked.. i agree with Blindwillie in that I don't think Robert would have ever completely bailed on Zeppelin while JB was alive. Solo project? Sure at some point.. a hiatus? Sure.
When John died, that was it.. I agree with KellyGirl that JB himself would have wanted and expected Jason to take his spot.
One thing I don't get is all the assumptions that JPJ and Robert were just business partners and little else.. While they weren't boyhood pals like Robert and John B, or the songwriting duo P and P were, there must have been something there. It might have soured at some point, but I can't believe they weren't friends during Zeppelin's run. You can't go through so much good together and be indifferent towards each other. I'd be very surprised if this was the case. Watch the Rockestra theme and Lucille from Kampuchea and tell me they're not having a blast together.
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I've read that Maureen in particular was in very bad shape. A fratcured skull and pelvis. She also was in need of a very rare blood type..
I would think the last thing on RP's mind with his leg in plaster and his wife all banged up was going to a studio.
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15 minutes ago, blindwillie127 said:
For anyone who thinks Plant wasn't onboard for the tax exile, I suggest watching Plants banter right before Communication Breakdown at Earls Court on the 25th. Looks to me like Plant was pretty excited to be leaving England.
"Gentlemen with white shirts will be passing a hat around because the equipment cost so much that we got no bread 'to fly out of the country'. So if u see a hat coming round, please put bread in it. Somebody's gonna make some money somewhere".
Don't let Plants hippie persona fool you into thinking that $$$ wasn't a priority to him. He wanted to hold on to his cash as much as anybody else, and rightfully so. But, nobody had to twist his arm, and why would they? You want to keep your money or give it all to the tax man? The Stones went into tax exile (Exile on Main Street) in 1971. Its called business.
Agree but leaving for a planned summer tour is one thing... leaving after you, your wife and 2 young kids were almost killed in a horrific car accident is another. I think to call him out for this is wrong.. if he did leave them, reluctantly, no doubt in my mind he left them with people, family and or medics to help out every step of the way..
Did Led Zeppelin make the right decision to break up?
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Me too. But I don't think he'd take having his son fill in for him as a slap in the face.