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I don't know...I'll just say that I wouldn't mind seeing Jimmy set up a state of the art recording studio in HIS historic mansion.. I wouldn't think it would be anybody's business in the neighborhood either. But then again Jimmy would do it with respect to the historical relevence of the home and surroundings.
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Almost every drum track he played would qualify for one thing or another. The 5 1/2 songs John Bonham played on the 4th album are all unique and incredible. I'll add 3 others.
Sick Again -
For Your Life -
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6 hours ago, Strider said:
Post #20: Welcome to 3 Hours of Loonacy!
Date: June 23, 1977
I'm not going to take up as much space as I did with my June 21 memories. My computer is down and I don't feel like writing a Moby Dick-length post on my phone.
First of all, although now I wish I had gone to the June 22nd show, at the time I was grateful to have that day to recuperate from the night before. Other bands pounded you for an hour or 90 minutes. Led Zeppelin pounded you for over three hours non-stop...no intermission like you got with Pink Floyd and the Grateful Dead.
My ears were ringing most of the night after the show June 21, and when I woke up later that day (we didn't get to sleep until early Wednesday morning...too amped) there was still a faint ringing. Which is sort of how I planned it when I was figuring out which shows to go to after the band released the final tour reschedule. A show...a day to recuperate...another show...another day to recuperate. Then I had the three shows in a row Saturday-Monday to worry about...but I would cross that bridge when I came to it.
For now, I mostly spent that Wednesday June 22 rehashing the night before with my friend and trying to recall as much as we could of the night.
First a historical note...The June 21 show was the first Led Zeppelin concert I saw where they did not play "Black Dog" and "Dazed and Confused". My buddy was bummed they didn't play "Dazed and Confused". I didn't miss it as much. Neither of us cared about not hearing "Black Dog".
Looking over my setlist, they didn't play "In My Time of Dying", instead "Over the Hills and Far Away" was played in the #4 slot. We thought maybe that was a rotating thing...maybe we would get IMTOD on the 23rd.
The other thing they fooled us with was that whole "Over the Top" business. After that hilarious and long introduction by Plant of John Bonham, when the band kicked into the "Out on the Tiles" riff, I was thinking they were going to play the song for real. But when Plant didn't start singing, I was kind of unsure of what was happening...but that's Led Zeppelin for you. There's always moments where the band takes you into mysterious waters with no road map to guide you. All you can do is wait it out.
So when after two minutes of "Out on the Tiles" (sans lyrics) Bonham then went into his drum solo, I was back on familiar ground. Having witnessed 25-30 minute "Moby Dick"s in the past, I was grateful that Bonzo kept it to 15 minutes this time. Of course, the band threw another curve by finishing the solo with the end of "Moby Dick" instead of returning with "Out on the Tiles".
My buddy and I agreed that the first 40 minutes were just full-on power and intensity...real Hammer of the Gods. The opening trio of "The Song Remains the Same"-"Rover"/"Sick Again"-"Nobody's Fault But Mine" especially made an impression on us. Compared to 1975, it was a significant boost in energy. "Rock and Roll" in 1975 was too sluggish and Robert's vocals too subpar to lift the song to its proper intensity, and "Sick Again" was at that time too new and unfamiliar to the audience.
By 1977, the audience had had two years to devour "Physical Graffiti", so "Sick Again" was much more welcome in the second slot...although that "Rover" tease had me wishing they would do that song in its entirety.
My friend and I agreed that "Over the Hills and Far Away" had reached its perfect form. That was one song I was salivating to hear again...and again.
"Kashmir", of course, was one that made a huge impression on us. The linkage of "White Summer"/"Black Mountain Side" to "Kashmir" made total sense upon reflection, given the tuning and the similar Indian-trance-vibe the songs possess.
Naturally, my thoughts turned to the upcoming shows and if there would be any changes in the setlist night to night. Or if like 1975, it would be pretty much stagnant.
I went to bed early that night and slept a good night's sleep. When I awoke Thursday morning June 23, 1977, like Richard Nixon I was tanned, rested and ready.
For the June 23 show, I was going alone. My dad drove me to the show and picked me up afterwards. Passing all those familiar signposts on the way to the Forum...the LAX Theme Building, Randy's Donuts, IHOP, Hollywood Park Race Track. Even though I did not live in L.A. yet, I was beginning to get a feel for the lay of the land. I was sowing the seeds for when I would finally escape the hick town I was in.
So...what is there left to be said about the June 23, 1977 show that hasn't been said already? Especially when the "For Badgeholders Only" bootleg exists to let people hear the show and make up their own mind.
Suffice to say that when Plant uttered the immortal words "Welcome to 3 hours of Loonacy", he wasn't kidding. When haters try to slam Led Zeppelin concerts as overrated and boring, I shove this show right down their throats. Everything...the sound, the brilliant lights, the pacing of the peaks and softer moments, the demonic laser pyramid and Jimmy Page throwing shapes to the north-south-east-west, was sensational and larger-than-life.
"Kashmir" again was otherworldly (even with the early cock-up, which wasn't that noticeable anyway)...as was "Nobody's Fault But Mine", "OTHAFA" (Jimmy again hurtling through space-and-time), "Ten Years Bonham", "No Quarter" (featuring John Paul Looney Two Slacks Jones), "Achilles Last Stand", and a new addition to the set "Trampled Under Foot"!
If "The Song Remains the Same" wasn't quite as manic as June 21, it was as close as dammit...only it was missing Jimmy doing many of his pterodactyl moves due to another mishap with his equipment. There he was, sitting down on the drum riser with Raymond trying to fix his broken strap to his double-neck. Meanwhile, while this is going on, I was getting annoyed with the constant arrival of late-comers to their seats. The first few songs of every concert were a parade of people coming to their seats or arguing about seats. Grrrrrr.
I think "Sick Again" was a stand-alone for the only time on the 1977 tour, and the band had really found the song's groove on this tour. On the 23rd, Jimmy's guitar sounded really nasty and sleazy, like it should on "Sick Again". Maybe using the Les Paul made a difference from using the 6-string part of his SG double-neck?
I still probably prefer Jones using the Fender bass in 1975, but the Alembic bass sounded heavy enough in concert, although some twang was evident. Bonzo's stainless steel kit with those ginormous tom toms generated plenty of thunder. My god...those precision rolls of his. Your bones felt as if they were going to shatter and your rib cage collapse from the force.
Even though it was a Thursday, the crowd felt like a Saturday night crowd...pumped and primed to party. If the opening night at the Forum was an explosion of two years of pent-up desire and energy, then the third night was a bacchanal. Maybe a little too rowdy...I had a cherry bomb go off near me and effect my hearing for a couple songs.
When I was able to calm down from the initial rush and euohoria of the first few songs, I tried to focus on the details. The band all seemed to be wearing the same clothes. I think Bonham had a different top but Jimmy (white dragon suit), Robert (blue jeans and kimono-blouse type top), and Jones (all white) all looked the same as they did on the 21st. In fact, Jones on the 1977 tour reminded me of Greg Lake, only without the round face.
Plant looked just slightly a little heavier...mainly in the gut and face, but nothing you wouldn't expect with his recent injury and his lifestyle. Jimmy though was obviously thinner..even gaunt. When he was waving his guitar around and stretching his arms, you could really see his rib cage. His pants, usually worn near his belly-button on previous tours, sagged way down on his hips.
Another first for Jimmy Page on this tour...smoking on stage! I had never seen him with a cigarette in his mouth so this was quite surprising to see.
Meanwhile, there was a curious figure seen hovering around the drum kit...why hadn't Richard Cole or Mick Hinton removed him? Then during the drum solo he announced himself: it was KEITH MOON!!! Moon the Loon telling Bonzo to "whip Buddy Rich's ass and show those jazz mofos what they're missing." Then Bonzo lets Moon sit in on the drum solo...two of rock's greatest drummers are now playing together! The Dynamic Looneys! Amazing men of steel who know Badgeholders!
We in the Forum are going nuts! This is too much...the lights and flashpots are going off and Bonzo and Moon are shaking the Forum to its foundations with the greatest unholy racket I have ever heard. Just listen to the tympani part of the drum solo and you will hear what I mean.
After another furious Achilles and majestic Stairway, the crowd goes apeshit for five or more minutes. No cheap encores for Led Zeppelin...unlike today's bands who barely wait 30 seconds before coming back out. Led Zeppelin truly earns their encore.
But first, Keith has something he wants to say...only he was so drunk it was hard to understand what he was saying. Meanwhile, Plant has gone behind the drum kit and started playing a little until he decides to rescue Moon from his incoherency, hehe. Moon takes up residence by Bonzo's tympani, and plays along as they begin the encore of a very punk-like "Whole Lotta Love"/"Rock and Roll". Sheer euphoria carried us home that night. Another gobsmacking Hammer of the Gods concert...perhaps the best concert I've ever seen. It is a night I will cherish forever.
But because of events that happened later, it is also a night tinged with melancholy. For I remember Keith Moon telling us he would be back at the Forum later in the year "with his backing group". Sadly, he died before that could happen. So this show, this night of June 23, 1977, represents Keith Moon's final appearance on a concert stage in America. Just as these 1977 shows would represent Led Zeppelin's last appearance in America.
It's after midnight now...exactly 40 years ago I was heading home from my second 1977 Led Zeppelin show and 11th LZ show overall. And contrary to what was coming from Rolling Stone and the punk-obsessed UK press, washed-up bloated dinosaurs was the last thing on my mind after the concert I had just witnessed.
As far as I was concerned, Led Zeppelin still ruled...and I was looking forward to more.
The first and best bootleg I purchased. Still have it. Part 1. Dragonfly Records. Great review and recap as always Mr. Strider.
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3 minutes ago, greengrass said:
Thanks man , one of a kinds are running out.
They sure are.
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2 hours ago, greengrass said:
wtf is all this squabbling about^^^ start another fuckin thread , entitle it - " I dont agree with you , Because"
Btw... My across the street neighbour died yesterday. Mean old bastard , 84 yrs old , one of those " Gran Torino " type old codgers , but i'll miss him. He once called my dog a shit machine LOL
I'm sorry about your neighbor greengrass..
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18 hours ago, blindwillie127 said:
Hey Chase. I totally get where your coming from on this, so let me explain where I'm at on this subject: It always chaps my ass when The Who and Led Zeppelin are compared in this context. Led Zeppelins decision (including Grant) not to continue without Bonham was a testament to the importance of his contribution to the band as well as any desire or need to continue on as a unit without him. The Who (on the other hand) did the exact opposite with their two most most crucial elements that comprised the sound of the band. After those two were gone, what are you left with? Kinda reminds me of The Fast And Furious Franchise pt 17. Awww shit one of lead characters just got burned alive....next, gotta keep it moving man, theres still money to be made here folks. I can't really blame them though, this is how they put bread on the table....and we all need bread.
It's cool Willie. I'm just thinking there had to be a reason for that Tour to continue.
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8 hours ago, blindwillie127 said:
I'll bet it took less time for Townshend & Daltrey to make this "hard decision" than the "half a minute" it took you to find the answer to my question...a lot less. Besides, the Ox wouldn't have given a shit either way:
“I wasted my whole fucking career on The Who,” he said between gulps of Remy Martin brandy, his favourite tipple. “Complete fucking waste of time. I should be a multi-millionaire. I should be retired by now. I’ll be known as an innovative bass player. But that doesn’t help get my swimming pool rebuilt and let me sit on my arse watching TV all day. I wouldn’t want to, but I’d like the chance to be able to.”
This interview took place in the mid-nineties, at a time when John’s frustration at The Who’s post-Moon stop-start career, itself a product of Townshend’s need to find creative fulfilment elsewhere, was at its worst. There was also the gut-wrenching realisation that because of catastrophic business moves in the mid-sixties The Who would never make anything like as much as they deserved in royalties from the sales of their records. It is not hard to imagine John brooding over the rock star names in the Sunday Times Rich List, the individual Beatles, Stones, Floyds, Zeppelins and Queens, and, brandy bottle to hand, cursing his luck that he wasn’t amongst them.
Obviously they didn't contemplate if they should continue the Tour for weeks Willie. They were back on stage four days later... That doesn't necessarily mean it was an easy decision.. or not a sad time for them. Maybe they were thinking of their 50 pc road crew that would have been out of work.. or the hundreds of thousands of fans who had already purchased tickets. Maybe some of the tour proceeds still went to John's family who might have desperately needed money..maybe his family already received a huge advance.. Who knows? I don't know if it's callous or not.. There was no turning back after Keith Moon died. You can't unring that bell. They continued on. And I consider Moon as irreplaceable to The Who as John Bonham was to Led Zeppelin.
Led Zeppelin are unique in that they didn't continue. I truly admire them for that.. I do. They've turned their backs on potentially Billions ... and it does set them apart. But that doesn't necessarily make every other band that does continue callous. Someone back some pages mentioned Bon Scott.. The members of AC/DC loved Bon. Everything they did and do to this day is in his memory. Bon's own mother told them they should continue. So it's not cut and dry in many cases.
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1 hour ago, blindwillie127 said:
Ok. but, you didn't answer the question....
4 days after Entwistle's death they were back onstage.. I found the answer in about half a minute. Huge tour booked with Robert Plant as a special guest opener. It must have been a hard decision and very sad time.
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I like some of the later Who as well. I also respect that they didn't go out and get a Moon clone. John Entwistle really came through as well. With simpler drumming going on, Entwistle stood out more than ever. But it wasn't the same as the original band. Seemed safe. Moon wasn't the same either though. His drumming chops were way down the later years. The Sheperton footage on The Kids Are Alright is sad. But he was still the heart of The Who.
I've read that some of the later Who tours were due to John Enwistle being heavily in debt and PT and RD wanting to help him out. Understandable.
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58 minutes ago, ZepHead315 said:
Rest In Peace Adam West. Thanks for the great childhood memories.
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11 hours ago, SteveAJones said:
Sorry, I have to disagree on this...and they were performing JPJ compositions.
+1. There are talented players out there. You can get others to play his parts. Writing them is a different story.
JPJ was desperately missed on WIC. That to me was vanilla.
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The Beatles hit American shores in February 1964, roughly 3 months after JFK's assassination. People were looking for something to feel good about after such a tragic, senseless event. They were the right thing at the right time.... but they also had the goods. Everyone old enough to remember The Beatles on Ed Sullivan remember where they were when they watched it.. Thousands upon thousands site that as a life changing event.. I get what you're saying LPman, I really do. But, The Beatles were so much more than just a band.
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2 hours ago, Tremelo said:
The Beatles were not a boy band. Boy Bands do not write their own music, play instruments. Before they become huge The Beatles would do 8 hour sets. Just cause they wore matching suits and happened to appeal to young females does not make them a boy band. Boy bands hardly last 3 years, and they have no legacy. Every week there is a new book about the Beatles, (what more can be said at this point?). I think Zeppelin gets a few books a year and that is still awesome. As for the early material, I don't understand the slogging. What band's of that era trumped what the Beatles were doing in the pop realm?
Nope not a boy band.. agreed.
They had a media friendly image in that they were very like-able.
Plus they wrote some of the catchiest songs of all time.. in their early 20's ..
They consistently developed and improved as well. That the same band who wrote Love Me Do wrote Strawberry Fields Forever four years later is just incredible..
I Saw Her Standing There
All My Loving
It Won't Be Long etc.. timeless
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1 minute ago, SteveAJones said:
Fair enough, but such was Sir George Martin's brilliance that he not only produced them...he plucked them from obscurity and signed them.
No doubt. Sir George was the 5th Beatle and a true genius.
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Nobody dis-credited Sir George Martin from what I read.
Brian Epstein turned The Beatles from greased back hair, leather jacket wearing hoods into the suit wearing mop top fab 4. Positive or negative change of image is debatable, but his influence and directed change of image help launch Beatlemania. Whoever booked them on Ed Sullivan (and I would bet that was also Brian Epstein) also deserves some major credit.
Can't take that away from him.
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2 hours ago, John Teegen Sr. said:
1st big rockband to put on a 3 hour show without an opening band.
Bingo.. one of if not the 1st..
was Moby Dick too long? Yes.. At times.. Where were his bandmates? Offstage or wherever doing who knows what.. I doubt they were standing stage right waiting Bonzo's que..
That's why I've been more into Jazz, Instrumental music and Fusion these past few years.. Drummers get to express themselves. They get to improvise and take a solo without people running off to the bathroom. Granted they don't usually go for 30 minutes. They can fit it in the context of a song and it doesn't have to be the same every time.
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Rest In Peace to the amazing Chris Cornell. Best singer of the 90's bar none. Louder Than Love was a major musical highlight.
My favorite James Bond. The Bond I grew up with., Rest In Peace Sir Roger Moore.
And most of all, Rest In Peace to the victims of this evil attack in Manchester. To target an event knowing the majority of attendees would be Children is beyond sick. A new low.
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4 hours ago, SteveAJones said:
^^^
Which further supports my main point that they were masters of amalgamation and mystique as opposed to changing the course of popular music.
My way of thinking is... If they were among the first to combine certain musical elements.. that makes them innovators, with a ton of imitators.
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Led Zeppelin successfully blended many styles of music.
They were one of the first, if not the very first major act to incorporate Blues, Folk, Hard Rock, Psychedelic and Heavy Metal into their sound.
I think that's what an earlier poster was trying to point out. Cream, Vanilla Fudge, Jeff Beck Group, etc didn't have a stitch of folk in their sound.
Fairpoint Convention, CSN etc.. didn't have a stitch of Blues in theirs. Zeppelin covered a lot more ground.
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On 5/14/2017 at 9:58 PM, luvlz2 said:
RIP drummer Jimmy Copley who performed with such names as Jeff Beck, Paul Rodgers and Tony Iommi. http://ultimateclassicrock.com/jimmy-copley-dies/
Rest In Peace Jimmy Copley. I only know a few things he played on, but I enjoy his playing very much. He had the challenge of re-recording the drum tracks for the Iommi and Glen Hughes collaboration "The Dep Sessions". Original drummer Dave Holland got himself in some serious legal trouble and Iommi opted to replace his drum tracks. Jimmy Copely did a great job and it sounds very natural and seamless. I learned today the he played the drums "open handed", which means he played a righty drum set up but played the ride cymbal and hi-hit with his left hand.. as I do. I'm definitely going to research more of his work.
19 hours ago, SteveAJones said:He was magnificent in Tombstone.
And Red Dawn.
Kind of a cheesy movie but I do like it.
Rest In Peace to both of these talented people.
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12 hours ago, apantherfrommd said:
Rest In Peace... my Dad. Nov 193x-April 2017
I'm sorry to hear this. May your Dad Rest In Peace.
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Rest In Peace Fusion legend guitarist Allan Holdsworth.. possibly the most technically gifted player ever.
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Rest In Peace Boston legend, the great guitarist J. Geils age 71.
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Right... I try to stay optimistic and not insult my favorite studio guitarist / producer in every other post.
I think he should have put in a home studio years ago.. after he sold Sol Studios. Anyone can have a professional sounding recording studio in their home these days for a reasonable price.