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10 minutes ago, ScarletMacaw said:
It must have been hard for them to find a jury that was not familiar with Led Zeppelin.
As for your urinal story...I guess it's possible but Black Sabbath has played for the Queen so unlikely she forbade them from listening to Zeppelin.
Of course the queen loves Sabbath, according to David Icke she is a reptilian overlord and EVERYONE knows reptilian overlords love Sabbath. Zeppelin, meh, they are more of an acquired taste among the lizard rulers.
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1 hour ago, Balthazor said:
And it makes me wonder...hey see what I did there
But seriously, I wonder if a mistrial would be good or bad for Zeppelin. Normally a mistrial tends to be good for the defendant, and in this case perhaps the Randy Wolfe estate would decide they've wasted enough money on this nonsense and just give up. But on the other hand, they could be encouraged by the fact that their case made it as far as it did, and could come back the next time with a lawyer who isn't a ridiculous boob and actually win it. The fact that the plaintiffs have a ridiculous boob for an attorney definitely helps Zeppelin here, but a second trial with someone who's actually serious and competent could be a very bad thing.
Just an assumption here, but, Mr. Skidmore, being the executor of the estate, may only be allowed one bite at the apple per se. You see as executor he has to prove to the estate that utilizing estate monies to engage in a lawsuit is warranted. So, if there is a mistrial, he would have to prove that the use of additional funds would likely result in an affirmative verdict for the plaintiff resulting in a much higher burden Mr. Skidmore originally had to meet to utilize funds for the first go around.
If it were Skidmore's own loot he could do whatever he wants, but when you have a fiduciary responsibility to the estate (executor) you must prove a need or a return for the use of estate funds. Especially in such a high profile case such as this. In fact, should Skidmore lose or the case be deemed a mistrial, there is the likelihood of the estate in turn suing Skidmore for compensation of estate funds.
Lawyers, gotta love em.
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17 hours ago, sixpense said:
You would be right if the trial was by judge instead of jury. Remember O.J.
Judges have enormous power, they are not just a legal referee but also determine if a case itself is valid and may rule as such beforehand regardless of jury input. Also, a judge can set aside a jury verdict if the judge believes the jury rendered an improper verdict. When jury nullification happened in the OJ case, many legal scholars were initially puzzled as to why Judge Ito did not set aside the non-guilty verdict and either, change their verdict to guilty based on presented evidence or, more likely, dismiss the jury and declare a mistrial. The final opinion was that Ito was afraid of doing either action and as a result cause mass rioting so he let the verdict stand.
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31 minutes ago, badgeholder said:
This is very reassuring to me, that's it, keep pissing off the judge...
Yep, this is the same strategy which is gonna get Mr. Trump in serious trouble very soon. Rule #1 in court...never, ever piss off the judge; Rule#2 in court...refer to rule #1.
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1 hour ago, cosmic_juice said:
+1 Strider's love of music, knowledge of Led Zeppelin (he has to use more than one hand to count how many times hes seen them live) & his overall commentary and personality are one reason I come to this board... Soooo lets all just chill
That's right Cosmic, chill like Fonzie...like a bunch of Fonzies'.
Correctomundo my friend
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9 hours ago, kingzoso said:
Post 9/11, there are protocols that require identification whenever entering a "federal" building. Like I said, in this case of a certain magnitude, and with the defendants being Jimmy Page and Robert Plant, there will be a lot of restrictions of who can enter the courthouse and courtroom.
For someone as beloved on this forum as Strider, to "forget" to bring his wallet, money and identification, to such a signification ordeal as this, makes Me question everything that he has ever posted. It is one thing to say that you were there, but it is another to actually prove that you were there.
How is it that Strider forgot to take money and a valid ID when he left home to go to a trial concerning Jimmy Page and Robert Plant?
I know that you will read this, so please explain your inconsistencies. No ID, no money, but you had the space to see a member of Spirit.
What is your problem? You tend to come across as nasty and demeaning over the smallest of issues. People make mistakes, however you must be one of the few, perfect among us of which your opinions are also the only valid ones.
You really need to lighten up and stop being so boorish and arrogant.
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7 hours ago, Ddladner said:
I know your heart sunk when you realized you had forgotten your wallet.
Hopefully you'll get a second chance to go.
What a moment, I would have loved to be in the room to observe the faces of everyone listening to STH. I suspect a majority wanted to listen to it in its entirety.
I wonder if a juror would have asked to play the live TSRTS version, if the plaintiff would have requested an alternate.
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6 hours ago, Mercurious said:
It was just a fracture, most likely, not a clean break. Train doors don't close like a slamming car door. Had it been a full break, they would have had to cancel some things - he'd be in a splint for weeks, with a mini-cast for his finger. It's quite possible the broken finger story was exaggerated for effect - he had already messed up his hand 18 months prior (May 29-30, 1973 at LA Airport), and rust never sleeps. Meanwhile, Page was being drawn into his heroin affair.
The shows are quite a bit different from how they sounded in 1973, and a lot of it was the change in Page's playing, and are maybe a little more interesting for reasons stated previously.
Yes, that would make more sense. I could never figure out how anyone could play with a broken finger, even if it healed for a few weeks due to the dexterity needed. I have a doctor friend (surgeon) who broke one of his index fingers, the distal phalanx (essentially the tip or topmost bone) which is likely the same bone Jimmy may have fractured (but on his ring finger). He was not allowed to perform surgery for six weeks, and then had to perform exercises and skill tests in front of a board to prove he had full capacity before he would be allowed near a patient. That was a full break however, not a fracture. That was more than 10 years ago and the bone is now arthritic which means he no longer practices in a surgical capacity. He still could if he wanted to but he was afraid of having to reschedule to many operations due to pain and lack of dexterity during arthritic false ups. I can just imagine how bad it could be for a professional guitarist.
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8 minutes ago, Mercurious said:
The best source for the timing of the injury was Cameron Crowe's Rolling Stone cover story published March 13, 1975. Based on that story, the timing of the injury is Jan. 13-15, most likely the 14th as they had played in Brussells on the 12th, take a day, then he's commuting around by train for final pre-tour business on the 14th, and flying out on the 15th. They have one rehearsal the 17th in Minneapolis at the venue, then the show on the 18th. Here's Crowe:
It has been a long time since Zeppelin last rock & rolled. After 18 months spent laboring over their new double album, Physical Graffiti, the band has some warming up to do. "It's unfortunate there's got to be anybody there," Plant said. "But we've got to feel our way. There's a lot of energy here this tour. Much more than the last one." The tour's official opening night, January 18th at the Minneapolis Sports Center, went surprisingly well considering the circumstances. Only a week before, Jimmy Page broke the tip of his left ring finger when it was caught in a slamming train door. With only one rehearsal to perfect what Page calls his "three-and-a-half-finger technique," the classic Zeppelin live pieces, "Dazed and Confused" and "Since I've Been Loving You," were indefinitely retired. Codeine tablets and Jack Daniel's deadened the pain enough for Page to struggle through the band's demanding three-hour set.
Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/the-durable-led-zeppelin-19750313#ixzz4BgL1vSGR
However it now seems possible that they jived Crowe with the exact timing of the hand injury or that he simply got it wrong. The set list from Rotterdam on the 11th of Jan. does not include "Since I've Been Loving You" or "Dazed", according to LedZeppelin.com. Those bootleg recordings, then, didn't miss a beat. They didn't play either song in Brussels the next night.
Another possibility is that Crowe did get it right, yet Zep (and Page) were so rusty after 18-months of not playing live that it was decided they should skip those songs until they got warmed up. It doesn't take long -- Page on Feb. 3 at Madison Square Garden is feeling good enough to forget "How Many More Times" and go for "Dazed" (one of their best shows ever, according to Crowe). In that scenario, the Rotterdam and Brussels shows are just warm-ups best left forgotten and the finger injury in London on the 14th compounds the rust problem, and provides some fodder for the press as a much-needed pr "rustoleum" so to speak. A heavily medicated Page decides the show must go on, and that some interesting things might happen as he experiments his way through the mists.
The finger, though, is definitely injured. The photos from the rehearsal Jan. 17 clearly show Page managing to keep the ring finger out of a few chord clusters where one would normally use it. There are a bunch of those posted in another thread on this forum.
I don't buy it. You don't break the tip of a finger and then go and play guitar for three hours for three months. What guitarist would do such a thing? That would be like a boxer breaking part of his hand and going into the ring the next night and fight every night for a month.
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4 hours ago, Crimson Avenger said:
This one is maddeningly difficult to pin down, because if you take all the 'known facts' together, they don't make sense. If you ask why didn't they play D&C - surely a key song to play in a warm up gig - in Brussels if Jimmy hadn't hurt his finger then, it does make a lot of sense to say it must have happened a few weeks earlier.
But there are a few nagging doubts about that. Firstly, it does go against the written testimony. Fair enough, might be a bit out. Also, Robert makes no mention of fingers at the Brussels gig, when he does mention it at ( I think) every gig in the US in January. Again, it's not conclusive. But what I can't get out of my head is, if the damage was done a month or so before the tour, why didn't they just reschedule the early dates? Wouldn't have been the first occasion, and they'd have had plenty of time. The reason given for going ahead as they did was lack of time to reschedule.
The other thing that occurs is, is the Brussels tape complete? Could songs be missing? Airy and probably naughty speculation on my part, but that show does seem very short. Be nice to have Rotterdam too, to compare.
An alternative view could be that they never intended to play D&C or SIBLY at the outset and later changed their minds re the former when they thought US audiences wanted a longer show. I like this because it allows the finger incident to move back post-Brussels. Then again I've never understood how it's easier on the finger to play 15 minutes of HMMT rather than D&C. But they didn't play HMMT at Brussels either as far as we know, so the confusion is complete on my part.
From what I have read, Grant thought about rescheduling the tour but Jimmy insisted the few weeks down time would be enough. However, when Robert came down with the flu at the beginning of the tour, again, they went ahead with no cancellations. I don't know why they had this damn the torpedoes attitude, they should have postponed the tour a good month when Jimmy broke the finger, or once Robert came down with the flu. That was a real bad idea to have your singer rip his throat out every night, potentially causing serious damage, plus giving the fans a poor performance as well.
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5 hours ago, Strider said:
So is Skidmore with the Randy (California) Wolfe estate or one of the lawyers?
Skidmore is the executor of Randy's trust, which, in light of circumstance seems a breech of fiduciary responsibility. Also, he is a dick.
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Page broke his finger before any of the 1975 tour dates. I believe he broke it in early December 74'. The fact is if you break a finger, you do not play guitar for a good few weeks period. This explains why he was rusty at the beginning of the tour. Broken finger + no practice for at least three weeks prior as well. In fact I would argue, taking both facts into consideration, that he played god damn well in the beginning of the tour under the circumstance. By mid-February he was sounding pretty good and by the west coast run in March he was incredible and at 73' level capabilities. After that though, bombs away. By 77' heroin corn holed his technique for a good number of shows but what I really notice is his meandering and repetitive measures (again, heroin) in many solos. This is a great benchmark to really highlight how high Jimmy was on a particular night. If he was kinda high his solos would often meander and repeat measures until he could pull it together. The nights he was really high he is just a mess, a meandering repetitive mess at that.
The fact that on several nights he not only could pull it together but deliver some of his best live work is testament that the drugs were the primary culprit. Though, I do believe the multiple finger fractures throughout the years has made his ability to play those 30 min D&C and other marathons impossible. If you youtube his performances from the 98' tour, there is proof enough that Jimmy was not only as good as he was in 73', but in my opinion considerably better. The 96' - 2000 were Jimmy's peak live, though he may not have been as blindingly fast as he was in the 70's, he was much more emotive, his bends were just beautiful, and his phrasing took on a whole new dimension. Plus, his technique was greatly improved from any of his performances in the 1970's.
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48 minutes ago, AnotherNewMember said:
Mick Skidmore has never played bass with Spirit.
Correct, that was that other clown Mark Andes
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8 minutes ago, Strider said:
Heading to the courthouse now.
Do us a favor Strider, place a whoopee cushion on the chair of plaintiff's counsel.
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49 minutes ago, TheGreatOne said:
As I said on first page - All Hearsay and 2nd to infinity hand information. Cocaine trading in the mail ? Jumping off a Hotel ledge would surely be published in newspaper and on micro-film , not to be found at all.
Who knows, if he did the deed on a news day with a big story, it may indeed not have been reported. Either that or it was a small ledge, he sprained his ankle, went to hospital where he caught a staph infection and died.
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27 minutes ago, SuperDave said:
Let's hope Steve as I agree with you. Let's just hope the jury pool didn't wasn't selected from those in the first O.J Simpson trial!
If the notes don't fit...you must acquit!
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17 hours ago, kingzoso said:
Jimmy Page's guitars are worth millions of American dollars.
I seriously doubt that, they are guitars, not a Picasso. Jimmy's #1 LP (arguably his most valuable guitar) would fetch maybe $200,000 to $300,000 in an auction. However, once Page goes off to box city for the big dirt nap (hopefully not for a few more decades), the value of the guitars he played personally will go up exponentially.
That being said, VOS guitars, from my experience, retain their value better vs. a standard issue, but in the end if you get what you paid for them consider yourself lucky. A friend bought an Alex Lifeson signature LP (Red) when they first came out. That is one sweet guitar and the Floyd Rose w/ LP really brought the versatility. In the end though it was not the guitar for him and he put it up for sale. His return was about 95% of purchase after two years of ownership and heavy gigging with the instrument.
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1 hour ago, Strider said:
Yes, but since nobody in that court room is going to know me, I don't have to stand at all. I can just withhold that information and nobody will be the wiser.
Oh, Ken Zeppelin, yes, fine fellow, runs the bodega on Sunset I believe. So, what sort of trouble is old Ken into these days?
Jokes aside, Stairway is considered the cornerstone tune in the Zeppelin catalogue to many and Jimmy knows this. I believe he will fight to his dying breath to protect this and the Zeppelin legacy. Should they lose most likely Page will appeal and take the case all the way to the US Supreme Court if necessary. However, should the plaintiff prevail, the likelihood of the Circuit Court to overturn the verdict is pretty strong. The higher up the chain one goes on appeal, the greater the burden (in civil cases that is, in criminal it is mostly procedural error they care about).
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2 hours ago, Strider said:
Well that explains how he was able to capture such stunning performances.
"Excuse me sir is that a micropho...oh, sorry, my mistake. BTW, that thing looks like a baby's arm holding an apple for chrissakes!"
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37 minutes ago, TheGreatOne said:
If someone were to lie and fake their own death, What other lies are being covered up in the Zeppelin world?
You make an excellent point here since Elvis is currently on tour with Bonzo on drums, Jaco on bass, Billy Preston on keys, and Ronnie Montrose on guitar, however they are incognito and calling themselves the Fabulous Turd Burglars.
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2 hours ago, Strider said:
Ahhh yes. If only Mike had used a Mr. Microphone to tape the concerts.
Then we wouldn't be having this discussion for there would be no need to start this thread because nobody would have remembered Mike Millard because his tapes would have sounded like shit.
Yes, but he would have been the life of the party.
Mr. Mike Millard and his Magic Mr. Microphone, presents Led Zeppelin in all their distorted, 8-track Panasonic glory live from who the fuck Caresville.
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11 hours ago, TheGreatOne said:
buahaha, I forgot about Mr Microphone. Could have sworn you needed to tune in an AM station but may have been something else.
You are correct, it needed a radio station to use, however that sweet Panasonic was an 8-track AND radio...
"Hey good lookin...I'll be by later to pick you up..." Remember that from the commercial???
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41 minutes ago, Strider said:
Nakamichi was top of the line quality stuff. If you had a Nakamichi tape deck you were the envy of your friends. They weren't cheap.
F that! I had a sweet Panasonic 8-track & a Mr. Microphone. I was bustin out the dope rhymes and tracks in my hood. Cost me $25 for both and the salesgirl gave me an "old fashioned" since I was customer #100 for the day. She was no beauty but she did have Palmolive soft hand with the kung fu grip, which made me go drip, drip, drip.
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Wow, talk about much ado about nothing. Maybe someone can start a thread about Magnet's workout regiment or Miss Sapphire's favorite brand of douche and we can all argue about that as well.
But seriously, I wonder if a mistrial would be good or bad for Zeppelin. Normally a mistrial tends to be good for the defendant, and in this case perhaps the Randy Wolfe estate would decide they've wasted enough money on this nonsense and just give up. But on the other hand, they could be encouraged by the fact that their case made it as far as it did, and could come back the next time with a lawyer who isn't a ridiculous boob and actually win it. The fact that the plaintiffs have a ridiculous boob for an attorney definitely helps Zeppelin here, but a second trial with someone who's actually serious and competent could be a very bad thing.
Hopefully you'll get a second chance to go.
Lawsuit over Stairway to Heaven
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How can the judge NOT throw this case out if the plaintiffs cannot present the copyright which is being contested? The very fact that they never presented the copyright is just nuts, you would have to be the Mr. Magoo of lawyers to forget the single most important procedural detail of your case. Just keeps getting more and more insane as the days go by.