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18 hours ago, Kiwi_Zep_Fan87 said:
Seconded! I had the pleasure of listening to her soul-filled vocal range, for the first time, thanks to Delta Deep's amazing debut album! One of my favourite albums from 2015, for sure!
Third and passed! She is one hell of a belter and that is one hell of an album.
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9 hours ago, Kiwi_Zep_Fan87 said:
First, maybe I am too young or way too naive for my own good, but honestly, I have never heard of any of these groups. I am not going to pretend that I have.
Second, what is wrong if I regard Rush so highly as one of the greatest bands on earth? I mean, this is just my opinion and I think I am allowed to have it.
Third, I am not trying to split hairs, but I happen to love Hemispheres, even though I love albums like Fly By Night, Caress of Steel, 2112 and A Farewell To Kings, just a tiny bit more. To regard an album such as Hemispheres, as a serious misstep, is such a bold statement to make, if you ask me, but hey, that's your opinion and you have every right. You don't see me questioning you about your opinion, do you? So, please be fair and respect my opinions too, no matter how bold (or absurd) they might seem, to you.
I was joking Kiwi, those bands I mentioned are without a doubt, some of the worst or lamest bands to come out of Canada with the exception of Nickleback. However I still stand by my assessment of Hemispheres. It is a good album without a doubt, it is from a technical level their best and most complex playing, but even the band themselves feel the album is not very accessible. I love me my Rush and have seen them more times than every other band, what can I say.
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4 minutes ago, Kiwi_Zep_Fan87 said:
Yes, it is and I will stand by this statement, till the day I die! As for Anne Murray, well, my mom is a big fan.
Ok, what about The Poppy Family or Martha and the Muffins??? You think Rush is as rocking as them???
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Hemispheres for me was a serious misstep by the band, the songs are just ok at best, nothing really good IMO. It was like the boys got together and said, "lets try and write the most complex, inaccessible music in the prog-rock genre as possible. Even by their own admission they pretty much feel this way about the album. This is my least favorite Rush album and I am one of those who prefer the up to Signals as their best albums for the most part.
Really getting into Clockwork Angels right now, what a great album.
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On February 13, 2016 at 7:13 AM, Kiwi_Zep_Fan87 said:
^^^I feel Rush is practically Canada's greatest gift to the world,
That is a bold statement! Have you never heard of Anne Murray???
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As much as I love Page, Hendrix single handedly invented modern rock guitar and, anyone who can tune a Strat mid song, dive bomb like hell and then tune again without nary skipping a beat while improv abound has my vote.
Hendrix was Apollo come to human form.
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Linda Perry from 4 Non-Blonds has (had?) one of the strongest voices I have ever heard in rock, her performance on Morphine & Chocolate is stunning. Siouxsie Sioux is a no brainer, another unique and haunting voice. However, I have to reserve my #1 spot for Maria McKee. McKee started in country, moved to crossover & rock, now she does mostly folk & Americana. Just a top notch singer with a supreme instrument.
Oh, and honorable mention goes out to Alison Krauss. Though not a rock vocalist per se she did sing with old Robert so she gets a nod through osmosis. When she & Robert played the Dodge Theatre in Phx for Raising Sand, she kept having to walk over to stage right during Trampled Rose to tell the sound guy to turn down the gain on her mike. Her voice was so strong that when she sang the non-lyrical parts (the ahhh, ahhhhhh sections), it was beyond the threshold of pain and people were covering their ears and wincing. Pretty impressive.
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it is a real shame David is not performing more shows in the states, however we all need to understand he is no spring chicken. These musicians from Gilmour's era are all in their late 60's & early 70's, so it makes sense that if they do perform it is a very truncated version compared to their heyday.
Perspective needs to me made, the fact that Gilmour and his contemporaries are even still performing live is a miracle in and of itself. As Strider said, enjoy it while you can, this generation of musicians will likely all be gone, or at least no longer performing, within 10 years. Robert's globetrotting is amazing and I am for one very glad for it for it will become rare. Excuse me while I get a tissue, the thought of this sucks beyond my current emotional threshold. A golden age of music passes...life continues on, a shade of its former glory.
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4 hours ago, badgeholder said:
"Leading Bonhamologist Nigel Foreskin" right
What? Sounds legit, after all did you not know that the leading Pageologist is Humbert Chokesondik?
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On January 22, 2016 at 11:34 PM, Mithril46 said:
One of my faves is 10-26 or 10-27 95' at MSG, the last show with Cure guitarist on board. Another is NO 98' with
an unbelievable version of HMMT. Page's solo is just blazing, even matching early versions and the bow solo is
almost more unworldly than Lucifer Rising. Sometimes even with Zep Page ended up disjointed or ineffectual
with the bow. Here and in other 98' shows the bow solos are spectacular and malevolent.
So, how would one get a hold of a good quality boot of this show? IMO 98' P&P showed Page at the zenith of his prowess as a guitarist. I would love to have this show.
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On 3/13/2016 at 4:27 PM, Jukkin said:
Nice, very nice - Vancouver, March 19th, 75.
Ohh, that's a good one. I really want to get that show as well as one of the Seattle gigs as well. Awesome!
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8 hours ago, chef free said:
It ain't about the size of the kit!
I keep telling my wife that...oh wait, I don't even play the drums???
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Jesus Christ, you look at the setup and it seems like there is very little there yet the sounds...the SOUNDS! You take a player like Neal Peart with a monster kit and it makes you think what a talent Bonham was to do so much with so little by comparison.
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7 hours ago, planted said:
Where.have.you.been...
Probably jail
I joke, I joke....
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23 hours ago, RIP-IT-UP said:
I've discounted a Lot of Page's "borrowing" over the years; but now : to say in court that he "never heard Taurus"; didn't own any Spirit records; nor ever hear Spirit play live-is just a lie. I have a cassette interview of Page that was recorded off the radio in 1976 or 77, and he clearly states that Spirit and Kaleidoscope were 2 of the "best bands" he ever saw in the States. Now he denies all this. He lost me this time.
I think you are reading that wrong. He said he never heard Taurus and did not own the first Spirit album until recently. That can in fact be 100% true and still be consistent with his statement from 1976. For the longest time I never owned a Cure album yet I knew many of their songs and was a big fan. I also played and continue to play Cure songs when I perform, however I do not know nor have heard every single Cure tune. The two statements do not have to be exclusive in any way. So, they played a total of three gig's together and it stands at 50 / 50 that Spirit performed Taurus during one of those three sets. Then, there is the added likelihood that even if they did perform that tune all three nights, too, or one night, Jimmy could have been getting blown backstage while coked up and the last thing on his mind was what the fuck was being played by who the fuck.
By that logic Jimmy should be able to play I am Eighteen by Alice Cooper because they performed together in 69', maybe he can, maybe he cannot recall if they played it, maybe he did not even hear the song until 1975...who knows?
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Did Spirit ever play Taurus live when they toured with Zep?
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19 hours ago, jabe said:
Sheesh, man!
The lovely "planted" and SteveAJones have bantered back and forth for years.
If the 'hall monitors' who report to the principal(s) did not put Jones into a week of detention hall, and planted is cool with Steve's comment, then, well....planted, excellent "mood" photo!
It appears chivalry truly is dead.
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1 hour ago, SteveAJones said:
Want!
C'mon Steve, she is a lady, not a piece of meat. You can do better than that.
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1 hour ago, The Rover 75 said:
Not surprised, After watching the Eagles documentary Henley comes off as a complete pud, as mentioned earlier. It's a shame that some people can't let things go even after a band(family) member passes.
Tell me about it, such behavior reminds me of half my family. Talk about messed up actions, when my aunt died several years ago, her three sons got up to act as pallbearers (they were Catholic). When the middle son approached the casket the others stopped him and told him to sit down, he was not welcome. The reason for this is because my cousin is gay and his mother disowned him and his father and brothers and most of the family backed this bullshit. Once the service ended I approached by cousin and apologized on behalf of humanity in general for such abhorrent behavior, not to mention they could have talked to him before the funeral so as not to embarrass him (he is very low key and never has caused any scene or controversy). After I talked to cousin Joey my asshole uncle approached me and asked me and my family to attend the post-funeral dinner. I told him thank you but declined, I wanted to say much more but did not feel this was the avenue for such a discussion.
I have never associated with this rotted branch of my family tree, or any of those in my family which supported such actions. Some people just cannot get over themselves, however, if they were to apologize and regret their actions I would welcome them back with open arms.
Don Henley is just like those family members, once on his shit list, you are on it for life.
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2 hours ago, Dr Death said:
For those that don't know the whole story, and based off what I've read, not many do, Coverdale was in debt to his record company. He owed them over $300,000 dollars and set out to make 1987 a huge success. He knew they had the songs, with much of the thanks being owed to John Sykes, who was a great guitarist and worked really well with David.
But, after being sacked, when Adrian Vandenberg joined, the violin bow was all his idea. I have a Coverdale/Page interview on tape where David discusses this and Page, ever so cool, said it didn't upset him, it just made him laugh. David said... 'What was I going to do? Tell him no?' When talking about Vandenberg's idea to use a bow in the video.
I'm one of those that is a big fan of David's. His time with Jimmy was the best for Jimmy post Zeppelin by a long shot! The fact that so many Zeppelin fans hate David is a direct result of all the slamming of him that Robert did in the 80's. It's so funny too... Plant accusing someone of ripping him off, when so many of his so-called lyrics come straight out of blues songs recorded years before Zeppelin.
All I can say to those that don't like David is you have no idea what you're missing! He's a very talented singer and has produced some incredible music over the years! Oh, and as a guitarist, I can tell you that the riff in Still Of The Night is nothing like Immigrant Song. Immigrant Song is so easy to play, while Still Of The Night takes much more dexterity and skill. The riff is much more difficult to play. The only thing similar to the tracks is that both are in F#. But the riffs are not even close to being the same.
I cannot speak for anyone else but as a singer I really like David Coverdale, over the years he took pains to take care of his voice...something Robert did not do. On the other hand, what I don't like about David is he just tries too hard IMO to the point of pandering to the lowest common denominator in a live setting. Sorry, but nothing turns me off faster than some dope onstage talking to the crowd as if they were all a bunch of 14 year olds.
"Cleveland!!!! How the fuck are you!!! I betcha all you gents are gonna get some serious pussy tonight...FUCK YEAH!!! And you ladies...you better satisfy these hungry motherfuckers!!! FUCK YEAH,,,CLEVELAND!!!"
Now I have seen numerous interviews with David and he is a very dignified and articulate person most of the time, but the shit he pulls live is just disgusting and sophomoric. David reminds me of that guy who just HAS to be liked by everyone.
Now, regarding that riff in SOTN, I agree, it is very different from Immigrant Song but it does not take much skill or dexterity, in fact I picked it up within two takes after I first heard it in 87'. A good riff does not have to be complex, it just has to say something which the riff in SOTN does in spades. You want a motherfucker of a complex riff? Try pulling off Hots on for Nowhere, that is one goddamned tricky ass riff, in fact the whole song is complex as all hell. HOFN is a song which if your band can play it well, you have one very, very talented band of musicians.
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39 minutes ago, LedZeppfan77 said:
Oh I realize that. I m only saying it was the right things to do and I am happy he has no ill feelings. Or at least is not showing them like Felder who I can understand.
Don Felder himself sent condolences and wanted to be part of the tribute to Frey, it was Henley who never replied to Felder's offer. That's Don for ya, ever the class act.
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2 hours ago, Patrycja said:
A glimmer of hope...
Why ‘Stairway to Heaven’ Lawsuit Poses ‘Uphill Battle’ for Plaintiff
By Tim Kenneally on February 15, 2016 @ 2:53 pm
“I think it’s less than 50 percent” that Michael Skidmore will prevail in copyright infringement case against Led Zeppelin, entertainment attorney offers
The man suing Led Zeppelin for copyright infringement over their iconic song “Stairway to Heaven” is going to have a tough time proving his case in court, according to one legal expert.
Entertainment attorney James Sammataro, managing partner of Stroock & Stroock & Lavan’s Miami office, told TheWrap that Michael Skidmore will face “an uphill battle” and “a steep hurdle” as he tries to prove that the classic 1971 tune infringes on the 1968 Spirit song “Taurus.”
Led Zeppelin is being sued by Skidmore, trustee of the Randy Craig Wolfe Trust, who claims that “Stairway” infringes on the earlier song. (Randy Craig Wolfe was the birth name of Spirit frontman and “Taurus” author Randy California, who died in 1997.)
Sammataro told TheWrap, “I definitely think there’s a hint of familiarity [between the two songs] to a layman’s ears.” And Zeppelin opened for Spirit on one of the former’s early tours, meaning that there was a decent chance that Jimmy Page and his bandmates had heard “Taurus.”
But, Sammataro told TheWrap, that doesn’t necessarily tilt the case in Skidmore’s favor. Sammataro cautioned that it isn’t a matter of proving whether the two songs are similar, but rather how similar they are.
“You can copy. Not all copying or parrotry is piracy,” Sammataro said. “You have to take enough [to constitute infringement]. … Is it just that they borrowed a couple of chords and it sounds alike? Did they borrow a progression that sounds similar? Or is this really a wholesale quantitative lifting that’s going to give rise to a claim?”
Venue is another factor working against Skidmore. While the suit was initially filed in Pennsylvania, it has since been transferred to California, specifically to a U.S. District Court in Los Angeles — where, Sammataro said, the threshold for establishing grounds for an infringement case is higher than average.
“It’s a studio-friendly jurisdiction,” Sammataro said. “As a consequence, when there’s had to be a benefit of the doubt, courts have typically erred on the side of big businesses.”
Sammataro is skeptical that the case will make it past the summary judgment phase. Much of that will depend on whether Skidmore’s music expert can pinpoint precise and substantial similarities.
“That will be key,” Sammataro said. “If that all gels together, then I’d say they have more than a puncher’s chance.”
Sammataro doubts that the parties will settle in this case. For one thing, the iconic status of the song, possibly Zeppelin’s most famous, will up the stakes for Page and his bandmates. “There may be a little bit of, ‘I need to protect my integrity and credibility on this one,'” the attorney said.
The financial stakes are also high — as of 2008, the song had generated an estimated $562 million in revenue. The sheer dollar volume itself could make it difficult to reach a settlement, according to Sammataro.
So how much money could be involved if the lawsuit goes forward? According to Sammataro, infringement cases of this nature typically have a three-year statute of limitations period, meaning potential damages would go back to three years before the filing of the complaint. While “Stairway to Heaven” surely isn’t selling like it did in the ’70s, the album containing the track, unofficially titled “Led Zeppelin IV,” was reissued in 2014. And the song is still a prominent presence on classic-rock radio stations’ playlists.
Skidmore’s legal team will also probably argue that the popularity of the song generated peripheral revenues — say, by boosting the group’s profile overall and leading to increased album sales for the rest of its catalog.
“Would I be shocked if they came up with a damages model that was north of $50 million? No,” Sammataro said.
Which doesn’t mean that they’d get that, by a long shot. As Sammataro noted, if he were to be presented with a 10-figure settlement amount, “I would say, ‘See you at trial.'” However, he said, he’d “maybe start listening at $2.5 million.”
And the chances of Skidmore prevailing in the case are still against him, according to Sammataro. While the attorney believes that “ultimately this is a case that comes down to experts,” he added, “I still think its an uphill battle. I think it’s less than 50 percent. I just don’t know where on that less-than-50-percent spectrum.”
Presumably, that will depend not just on whether the songs remain the same, but just how much the same a jury determines them to be.
http://www.thewrap.com/why-stairway-to-heaven-lawsuit-poses-uphill-battle-for-plaintiff/
I really hope that Zep's lawyers have musicologists who can prove definitively that that sequence of notes has appeared in many songs and melodies even before 'Taurus'. I was thinking it's too bad Randy California passed away because he can't be asked about where he heard it from (and maybe check his record collection for influences), but that isn't necessary even if a temporal relationship between Spirit and Zep existed, even if Jimmy potentially heard 'Taurus'. None of that matters as much as proving that a ) Jimmy heard that sequence of notes in several other compositions that were created and recorded before 'Taurus' and b ) the musicologists showing the differences between 'Taurus' and STH. Hopefully there's no settlement of any sort; even though it may be a tactic to just make this all go away, it can be perceived as a tacit admission of influence. It would be a shame for a song of such iconic stature to be tarnished in this way. But it's not only about appearances; this is not a just suit and should be proven as such conclusively.
You want to know where Randy heard the progression from, well, the contemporary source which most are familiar with is Davey Graham's Cry Me A River. You can check it out on YouTube. However, Graham's song which appeared in 1959 was just another in a very long line which used this progression. Graham himself even commented on it back in the 70's saying exactly that. Graham is one of the most influential British guitarist that most people have never heard of, and is one of the most educated, gracious, and humble as well. A true gentleman and a musicologist of the highest calibre. Maybe they can just call Graham as a witness, if they did the case would fall like a led balloon...
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3 hours ago, SteveAJones said:
Agreed. I don't hear a Led Zeppelin influence on mid to late 1980s era Whitesnake at all. Visual cues, sure.
Agreed, I would state Slide it In was much more blatantly Zeppelinesque than the 1987 album. I remember when the title single came out and everyone thought it was Robert Plant's new album...too bad, it only sounded a wee bit different than Shaken n' Stirred which was released a few months later.
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9 hours ago, SteveAJones said:
We can agree to disagree. Of course Robert did express disdain for AOR rock and the imitators at the time, but targeting Coverdale time and time again for a period of about five years was in my opinion pathological.
Indeed Steve, who knows, maybe David shagged one of old Roberts birds and he held a grudge?
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Now don't think me a simple rube or a rat bastard because of what I said about Hemispheres, I really like the album but it is not my favorite by them. On the bonus side, Caress of Steel is one of my favorites, just a great album and The Necromancer is in my top 5 songs of all time.