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For me the one marked difference between Jimmy and a lot of his musical peers who also suffered from addiction is
many of them have done a tour sober. That first time you get up on that stage with a clear head is likely scary. You're
basically naked in front of that crowd. If you make mistakes and screw up you don't get to blame the drugs this time.
You probably wanna play it extra safe and avoid getting too complicated in solos perhaps. And if you suffer from bad
nerves like Jimmy you're likely even more gun shy about playing a gig straight.Yes the A R M S concert brought Jimmy out of hiding, he kicked his heroin habit, but it also kept the window of him still
doing his touring drunk and high. And it stayed that way for the rest of his public playing career (thus far)Bottom line for me is. In 2015 I really really wish Jimmy could face his fears and stand on a stage after a cup of tea and
play music. So many of the guys he grew up with have done that. I think it would be a weight off his shoulders if he could
too.He doesn't have to be fancy or ground breaking. Just do what he loves to do. Play guitar, but do it clean this time.
I don't suffer from addiction nor am I professional musician so my thoughts can easily be tossed out too.
To my knowledge he was pretty sober from at least 94' on, if not then he finally learned how to play pretty damn well stoned because his playing, especially from 98' - 2000 was IMO the best playing he had ever done, even eclipsing his best Zep years. He also played the O2 gig completely sober according to all accounts.
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Yes, saw them live in the early 80's in Chicago, great live band. When they released the worst fucking ballad (song) of all time, I Can't Fight This Feeling, I almost shot myself in the dick. How in great Caesar's ghost can the band which produced Can't Tune a Piano... come up with such crap.
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And that's the difference between Cream and later Eric Clapton projects. So many people bitch about how Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker were pricks, yet also lament how boring Clapton became. It could have become the same for Hendrix, if had lived, but collaborated with less experimental musicians. The Experience was about the levels and direction that each musician went in, or at least aspired to.
Agree Jimmie. The fist album of this sort is always pretty good, but after that ego takes over and self-indulgence goes one step beyond into self-parody and boredom.
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Redding and Mitchell were excellent musicians in their own right, right up there with Jimi himself. Cox & Miles were better sidemen, they laid down a solid, very uncomplicated foundation for Jimi to do what he wanted. That was the difference.
I like both era's, however I break it down like this: The first two albums had better, more accessible songs, more radio friendly. Electric Ladyland was an amazing concept album of sorts and was a Jimi showcase par excellence but the songs were much more eclectic and varied. It was his Bitches Brew IMO. Then you have Band of Gypsies which I love to listen to. As a live album it is not perfect, Jimi makes a ton of mistakes but the centerpiece, Machine Gun, is a jam which cannot be equalled, it is the gold standard of guitar jam live songs.
Jimi was the zenith of guitar playing IMO, there are much better technical players, but like Jimmy Page, Jimi is an emotive player who bleeds every note from his veins. You could FEEL his playing.
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I am loving this glitch that makes it look like the person quoting another member they disagree with is coming from their thoughts - at least 2 members seem to have suddenly gained some common sense!
Ha, so true.
Sam...good work, I am sure all bugs will be worked out over the next few days. No worries mate!
Now, I am off to San Diego for some much needed R&R on the beach. Peace my fellow Zep Heads.
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I can't help but feel pessimistic about the new film since pretty much everything Star Wars related has been terrible after the original trilogy. However, I am interested in just how it will turn out since Shadows of the Empire was a non-Lucas installment and it turned out better than all of his post-trilogy efforts.
Anything has to be better than episodes I-III & VI.
FUCKING EWOKS!!!
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Time to do the Batusi!
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Wasn't George Takei one of the original ST crew? He's still living.
yes indeed he is, I love George, great human being. What I meant was he will "likely" be the last man standing, not that he was the only man standing. Walter Koenig is alive and well and still doing sic-fi. If you never saw the Babylon 5 series check it out. Koenig play a character called Al Bester, a Psy-Cop, and it is a wonderful, deep character. Much better than his role as Chekov.
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I have one of these little beauties, the Motorola Barrage. I've had it for years; built like a tank and it only costs me $10 per month with unlimited calls----- now that is what I call a "SMART" phone, one that doesn't cost much. It's PHONE for friggin' sakes.
Good for you, those smart phones are making everyone near sighted. I agree, a phone should be just a phone for the most part. I hate those little screens.
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There are only 2 songs zeppelin ever did that jimmy sounds Sloppy (to me, at least).
The solo to Hot Dog from ITTOD, and 'We're gonna groove' from CODA.
The solo in Hot Dog was constructed that way on purpose according to Page, he was supposedly going for a psycho-billy feel to the tune.
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Listening to the RO ref mix, what a gas! That is most likely Bonham singing, regardless of what Jimmy says and Bonham is hilarious on this...they should have kept this version for the album, funny as hell.
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10 Ribs almost sounds like an unfinished Joni Mitchell tune with Zep as band with a hint of Motown...very un-Zeppelin & interesting, I really love this tune. Funny, this song would have been great as is used in a movie, like the last scene of Say Anything or even Singles.
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From what I have read over the years, Plant was not in any way involved in XYZ. (I believe he was working on the Honeydrippers at the time)
According to Robert himself, at the time, he claimed the music was too complex for his tastes and wanted to focus on his solo career. In other words, I was controlled by Page for 12 years, I sure as hell am not gonna be controlled by Page AND Squire.
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Happy birthday buddy, may all your dreams come true.
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Ok I listened AGAIN, it's just not good. In fact, I have a very specific problem with Burning Up, and I finally figured out why this song never worked for me. Charlie Jones ruins the whole song.
During the chorus where Plant sings "I'm burning up" Jimmy is going from A to D, but Charlie for some asinine reason is going from E to A, and it sounds terrible. It just sounds like a mess.
Terrible terrible production job
I agree as well in regard to Burning Up, I really don't like it and it sounds out of place, a throw away tune. The rest of the album I love though and don't mind the mix. Great album IMO.
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Is it just me ears or does Jimmy, at the 5 min mark, play the riff for what would later become Greg Kihn's Jeopardy???
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That's true but not all contracts bind the artist to one brand, although the mega-expensive Paul's and double necks issued 8-9 ?? years
ago may restrict Page's "issues". There have been jazz artists who have had signature guitars with Gibson AND Guild, for example. In rock
there was a Burns and Guild Brian May model as well. However usually one model is on it's way out because especially if the guitars
shared similarities it would be stupid to slit your own throat. But I really doubt Gibson would have a problem with a Page Dano....The
guitar is just not competing with Gibson in any way, unless they argued that now you could have a Page signature for let's say $700,
instead of $10,000.
I don't know about the Dano for a Page signature, he only used the damn thing for three songs: WS/BMS, IMTOD, & Kashmir. Plus, I preferred the tone of the LP for Kashmir as he used the LP for the song in 75' and 95'- 2007. WS/BMS sounded much, much better on the Gibson J-200 he borrowed from Big Jim Sullivan for the Julie Felix show. Then when he used the Gibson ES-350 the tone was just stunning, this guitar was made for this type of song.
I thought Page used the Dano because Syd Barrett used one as well and Page was a big fan of Syd. I have played them and never liked them, don't know what Page saw in the guitar as it is just thin sounding to me.
I go with the OP on this, either a Page signature Dragon Tele or signature Botswana Brown B-Bender.
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Nice looking guitar Money, if I may ask, how much was the guitar in total?
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What a twat indeed. LP are a much easier guitar to play than a Tele but personally I prefer the Tele and I loved the tone on the first album. I wish Page would have kept the Tele for stage use and switched between it and the LP depending on the song. WLL is a good example of the raunchy crunch of the LP but something like SIBLY would have sounded much better on the Tele IMO.
The Dragon was my favorite Page guitar.
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It seems Robbie has got the upper hand over Jimmy. Planning permission granted.
Smells like a payoff to me, old Robbie probably greased a few palms to lubricate the wheels of progress. Its always about the money. Fucking disaster.
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LTTE of course and Rotterdam 80'. Anniversary for both.
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Well if Page had to solo over Steve Howe era-Yes there may have been trouble, but Midnight Moonlight with the Firm is pretty complex.
Both Chris Squire and Alan White later commented that the stuff that was done with Page inXYZ was considered a real project, not
just jamming. Page was very dismayed that Plant didn't come along, who said the music was too complicated.
Funny you should bring that up because I always felt Page & Howe, though very different players, could be very similar in a live setting. If you hear Howe's solos on Yessongs, compared to the 80's shredders, Howe makes quite a few mistakes. He too is an exiting player who is not afraid to go off in new directions (though no where near the improvisationist Page was) to add emotion and colour to his playing, even to the detriment of accuracy. At the height of his ability Page, Howe, and Blackmore were pretty equal in regard to technique though I would have to give the edge (in technique) to Blackmore, but the again Page & Howe were much more exciting players than Blackmore was.
Give & take I guess but if Page stuck with the XYZ project and they got a new singer, I think he would have pulled it off quite well by 85' if he was sober. TBH, Squire being quite the strong personality would have most likely given Page a forceful ultimatum in regard to substance abuse had the project developed.
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The Jimmy Page pre 1974 is one of my favourite players. After that it seemed that he lost his passion for playing the guitar and was more interested in getting the next shot of heroin and the next bottle of Jack Daniels. He never got his playing together like it was before. This is so sad. His generation of guitar players like Blackmore, Iommi, Beck and Clapton has done a lot better than him. They still play really good these days. IMO Jimmy wasted his talent.
When I first stared playing guitar, Jimmy was my undisputed hero. After many years of playing myself I found it hard to listen to many bootlegs from 1975 onwards because Jimmy was so "off" on a lot of shows. It hurt to hear him play like he did. Still there are a lot of good shows from the later days.
I don't get why everyone thinks that good technique and feeling don't fit together. There are many examples of players who play technically at a high level and have a lot of feeling. Especially outside rock music.
Hmm, not sure if the boots support your position there. Some of Page's fines playing was on the 75' US tour, the whole month of March in particular blows away anything he had done live prior. I would agree from 77' - 83' Page was pretty bad about 50% of the time which is, well, pretty bad if you were one of the unlucky 50%. However outside of the Atlantic 40th show his playing was pretty damn good 84' on, especially during the 94' Japanese tour and the 98' Page / Plant Tour. In fact I would wager Page did some of his best playing of his whole career during the 98' - 2000 timeframe. He may have slowed down a bit, but what he lacked in shredding he more than made up for in technique and emotion which for me, emotion is the key.
Clapton and Page
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You know how those things go, Robert was probably pissed at Jimmy, called him a few names, got in his face and maybe pushed him. Next thing you know its reported that Robert punched Jimmy, then somebody says Robert beat the shit out of Jimmy. TBH I am surprised no one reported Robert pistol whipped Jimmy and then shat on him as well. These things tend to take on a life of their own.