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There was one.....
Now that is what I call a lucky boy.
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I think lpMan was being sarcastic.
You betcha!
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Lighten up Francis! I was just being amusingly sarcastic.
I've got no problem with Halloween other than I'm now old so I turn all the lights off and hope no little bastards ring my doorbell.
Lighten up? I was simply shedding some light on the topic in a rather benign, yet informative fashion. Man, I bet your teachers must have loved you.
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Make that three. I really liked Jimmy's work with the B-Bender, he completely re-invented his playing style and approach to guitar in general with The Firm. Too bad he did not progress further with the B-Bender because he was doing things with that guitar I have never heard done in that fashion before or since.
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Halloween / All Hallows Eve / Samhain is in fact an evil pagan and satanically inspired tradition. But since so are Jehovah's Witnesses the JW woman's complaint is just comically ironic.
in my opinion
Actually LIVIN, Samhain, or the Fall Festival is an ancient practice which goes back thousands of years, there is nothing satanic about it, In fact, All Saints' Day which the church put in it's place (Samhain was actually celebrated from sundown on the 31st until sundown on November 1st) is essentially the same thing, the honoring of those who passed from this world to the next. Of course the church focused on the saints' themselves and not on ordinary people who died as Samhain did. Samhain also was a thanksgiving of sorts for a bountiful harvest and the time when livestock were butchered for the winter season.
So, despite catholic propaganda, Samhain never involved human sacrifice or any other nonsense. The closest comparison would be in Shintoism (Japanese) and the honoring of ones ancestors.
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I was thinking about this for Halloween...
Perfect for both Halloween and a four state killing spree as well.
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"I am against Halloween, it is an evil, satanic holiday and I believe it should be against the law and all who participate executed..."
At least that is what the Jehovah's Witness lady told me and my step-daughter a few years back when we knocked on her door Halloween night. You should have seen the look on my daughters face, better yet you should have seen the look on the JW's face when my daughter, politely said, "Then why did you open the door?"
Thank god we did not get a Scientologist, little missy would not have had a retort for, "Xenu will damn you when he exiles you two to planet Epsilon Minor for your horrible costume choices."
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HOORAY!!! I can hardly wait for Jason to jam out Sussudio and Hold on My Heart...Just epic!
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I just said that
The Jawas should have been evil too. "Oo-tee-dee!" indeed.
Jung was right...synchronicity?
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Where is Luke Skywalker?
Not on the poster or in the trailer, has he gone over to the dark side or is he dead?
The first six movies are being shown on TV here as a precursor to the new movie. Starting with TPM three weeks ago, this Saturday it's ANH.
Luke is briefly in the trailer but you have to be quick with the eye. There is a very short, maybe half a second shot of a hooded figure kneeling with a mechanical right hand which is resting on R2D2's head. Me thinks Luke will be playing an Obi Wan / Yoda role to the new Jedi characters development.
Also, regarding those damn Ewoks. Lucas could have easily pulled them off if he would have just gone all horror show with them. That is, they look cute and cuddly, but make them vicious killer / murderer cannibals that both sides had to contend with. A whole human kind vs. nature kind of thing. Of course if he would have done that his whole marketing to the kiddies would have come to a screeching halt. But damn, that would have made ROTJ an awesome movie...Lucas meets Carpenter sort of thing, except the Ewoks would be sans hockey masks.
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Robbie Blunt didn't make those comments about Page's playing. It was Frances Dunnery who played with Robert during the Fate Of Nations era.
Oh, I see, thank you. Don't know why I thought Blunt???
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Are you saying Jeff Beck can't improvise? I beg to differ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDjgJ8Am2x8
The source for that video claimed they rehearsed this several times before the performance, this was not some on the spot improv. Of course Beck and others can improvise to a degree within a known structure but I have never heard of or seen Beck completely improvise a whole section on the spot like Jimmy would do nightly. Beck is one of my favorite guitarist, in fact my playing technique more closely resembles Beck & Gilmour than it does Page as I prefer slower, more atmospheric solos and I do not use a pick, and Beck is IMO the greatest living guitar player today. However, Beck could not improvise live like Page could, very few guitarists can, not because they can't technically pull it off, but because out of fear of making a mistake. Beck could, can, and always will smoke Page insofar as technique, but you also know exactly what you will get with Beck, with Jimmy you never knew what you would get. Except for Hendrix, The Dead, and Phish I really cannot recall any other bands who would change songs to such a massive degree from night to night like Zeppelin did...sometimes it worked, other times, not so much, but it was always exciting.
So, sorry if I worded that wrong, I did not mean to imply those other guitarist cannot improvise at all, just that they cannot improvise long passages and whole movements live like Page could.
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Right, Blunt wasn't insulting Page really, there's more than a grain of truth to it. One thing I feel I must
point out is that although Jimmy is my absolute fave, and he could match Hendrix IMO, Hendrix was
always playing . Not quite sure if Hendrix ever declined so drastically as Page did 77'-80'. And Hendrix
was beating the hell out of his tremolo bar constantly, it's miraculous he was anywhere near being in
tune , so that killed some songs outright. But Page even from 77'-80' had such a distinctive style that
50% of the mistakes are more interesting than 95% of all others "competent" playing. One fantastic
improvisor who has fallen out of radar is Ritchie Blackmore---even if you don't like DP, check out
live stuff with him on YouTube. He never plays below above-average, can play bluesy, classical licks,
combine the two, play 50's rockabilly licks like Page, etc. Great technique but never slick. Page hits
greater heights, much greater, but consistency is shaky. And he is the sorcerer, bar none.
Indeed, Hendrix is the master IMO and never declined, then again his drug usage was very exaggerated and typically did not play high or drunk. You are right, Hendrix played and practiced constantly, always had a guitar with him. Blackmore is another excellent player, the first of the classical shredders and just an amazing player. Blackmore's problem (if you can call it one that is), was that visually he was not an exciting player, usually just stood in one place and played, little to zero animation.
What is kind of funny but a bit off topic is Geddy Lee has been asked to intro Yes into the RRHOF, however Lee specifically said he will not jam with Yes or anyone else. In his own words, "I don't jam, everything I play live is rehearsed to death, I don't do improv."
That is the difference between perfect, technical players like Lee, Lifeson, Beck, etc. they cant improvise. Just the thought of an unknown structure and a possible bum note freaks them out.
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Plant's 1985 Swedish interview may hold a clue. I'm also reminded of a quote from one of the guitarists Plant worked with early in his solo career. The guitarist remarked that after listening to all of Led Zeppelin's catalog he thought that Jimmy Page's brain was often ahead of his fingers. Perhaps this is the story of Page's career since he founded Led Zeppelin; great musical ideas that he can't always execute.
I don't think that's what Blunt meant when he said that, I think he meant he was ahead of his time creatively and as a result when he played going off on a tangent and taking chances was more important than being note perfect every time. Page was one of the greatest improvisors in rock guitar in a live setting. I don;t know of any other guitarist outside of Hendrix & SRV who could improvise like Page. Of course Page had to be on his game and somewhat clear headed to pull that off, that is why he suffered at many shows in 77' - 80' because he was just to wasted to play. The fact is, just listen to him Play Heartbreaker at Rotterdam in 1980 and tell me Jimmy, when clear headed, was just as good as Hendrix in his prime. That is why Jimmy pisses me off so much (just like Tommy Bolin), he was one of the very best guitarist, ever in a live setting and just pissed it all away for a few years yet acts like it was no big deal. Well it was a big deal, people paid good money to see those shows and if you were one of the unfortunate ones who caught Jimmy on an off night I guarantee you would not be too happy.
I was lucky, when I saw him on Easter, April 10th 77' in Chicago he was in brilliant Jimmy mode, most likely pretty sober (or about as sober as Page could be at that point) after crapping out the night before. But if I were in Tempe, I would not have been a happy camper.
Question though to those who attended gigs from 77 - 80 (the bad ones that is). Do you recall if they just turned Jimmy's guitar up to 11 and added distortion in an effort to mask any mistakes? I knew this guy who like Jimmy was a brilliant guitarist but drugs and booze got the better of him. When he giged, when wasted, that is what he did, just distorted the hell out of the signal and added gain. Everyone was drunk, no one cared.
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What always struck me about 80's solo Robert is it seemed 80's fashion and musical trends were more important to him than doing his own thing in a certain way. Back in Zep it seemed to me he, nor any other in the band, really cared about any trends, they were the ones making them in fact. When he came back in 83' and toured though, Robert is wearing the fashion of the day (Billy Squire was wearing an almost identical stage wardrobe at the time), sporting a mullet (???), and somewhat tailoring his music to musical trends at the time. Take Shaken & Stirred for example. I really hated that album when it first came out as to me the whole damn thing (except for Pink & Black) sounded like whatever Robert had on his own playlist at the time but redone with a Robert twist. The first time I heard Sixes & Sevens I thought Robert was listening to way too much U2 & Cure. IMO he did not really come into his own again musically until Manic Nirvana, which is also the first tour he quit having stupid stage outfits. Though I always did like his live presentation, weird clothes and all, and Shaken & Stirred has really grown on me as an album through the years.
Like many here the 17 year old me wanted to see the Robert from Zeppelin, however the 47 year old me is glad he came into his own and did his own thing, bad dancing and jumpsuits as well.
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I missed this tour also, didn't get to see him in concert until he came to Phoenix in 1985, in the meantime I recorded every Robert Plant concert that was broadcast on the radio from the Principle of Moments tour.
August 26, 1983: Peoria, IL - Peoria Civic Center
August 27, 1983: Kalamazoo, MI - Wings Stadium
August 29, 1983: Rosemont, IL - Rosemont Horizon
August 30, 1983: St. Louis, MO - Kiel Auditorium
August 31, 1983: Milwaukee, WI - MECCA Arena
September 3, 1983: Detroit, MI - Joe Louis Arena
September 4, 1983: Cleveland, OH (Richfield) - Richfield Coliseum
September 6, 1983: Worcester, MA - The Centrum
September 8, 1983: Monteal, QC - Montreal Forum
September 9, 1983: Buffalo, NY - Buffalo Memorial Auditorium
September 10, 1983: Toronto, ON - Maple Leaf Gardens
September 12, 1983: New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden
September 13, 1983: Hartford, CT - Hartford Civic Center
September 14, 1983: Philadelphia, PA - The Spectrum
September 16, 1983: Memphis, TN - Mid-South Coliseum
September 18, 1983: Baton Rouge, LA - LSU Assembly Center
September 20, 1983: Houston, TX - The Summit
September 21, 1983: Austin, TX - Frank Erwin Center
September 22, 1983: Dallas, TX - Reunion Arena
September 24, 1983: Denver, CO - McNichols Arena
September 27, 1983: Los Angeles, CA (Inglewood) - The Forum
September 28, 1983: Oakland, CA - Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum
September 30, 1983: Seattle, WA - Seattle Center Coliseum
October 1, 1983: Vancouver, BC - Pacific Coliseum
Please correct me if any of these dates are incorrect.
That was the same gig I attended, at Veterans Memorial Coliseum, second time I saw Robert, first time being at the infamous April 10th 77' Chicago gig when I was 9 years old (went with older brother and much older cousin).
I really liked that 85' tour, a real mix of tunes plus the 50's Honeydripper set after the main set. I remember the curtain on that insanely sloped stage going up after a short intermission and Robert in duck-tail hairdo and leather jacket with the three ladies in Poodle skirts singing backup. Great, great show in 85'.
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^ Probably someone here could correlate the date of Plant's picture with the time of his son being hospitalized? But it's obviously a sexual slogan, and would be poor choice of Plant to thank them in this manner - or worse, have had relations with one of the nurses who cared for his son.
At the time Plant wore the shirt in Oakland he had no idea his son was even sick much less in hospital. Plant did not find out about his sons condition until he arrived on New Orleans I believe. Just your typical 70's sexual innuendo phrase on a t-shirt, nothing more.
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I have to say I saw Robert sometime in mid September 83'. Yes Collins on drums, at MSG. Of course
no Zep, but the show I saw was amazing. First of all despite all Plant's blather about leaving Zep behind,
plenty of songs had Plant ad-libbing Zep style, and doing some of those legendary sustained howls.
Second, Robbie Blunt was excellent, a unique sound and able to be subtle or forceful as the song
required. And live some of the studio songs which were a bit "weak" worked fine live. I think Plant
must have lost his mind to lose Blunt, IMHO.
Yess indeed, Blunt is a great guitarist and very unique too. Plant had a great band behind him no doubt.
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This was the only Robert Plant tour I have missed. We just moved from Chicago to Phoenix that summer so me missed him at the Rosemont Horizon gig. Since he did not stop in Phoenix and my parents would not let my brother take me to LA with him to see that show, I got screwed. The vids are great, looked like a hot tour with a great band behind him.
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That allegedly happened at the Philly gig in their first tour, I heard that from an unlikely source; my dad! He'd heard about it from some guys at work who knew someone who knew someone so I take it with a grain of salt, but I've heard that story elsewhere since so who knows. All I know is I saw them the very next night at the Meadowlands in NJ and something was off between the two of them. The next night Jimmy came out of his shell and blew the house down. Robert kissed him on the head after a raging TSRTS and they both smiled and it seemed all was forgiven, assuming there's truth to the story.
You know how those things go, Robert was probably pissed at Jimmy, called him a few names, got in his face and maybe pushed him. Next thing you know its reported that Robert punched Jimmy, then somebody says Robert beat the shit out of Jimmy. TBH I am surprised no one reported Robert pistol whipped Jimmy and then shat on him as well. These things tend to take on a life of their own.
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For me the one marked difference between Jimmy and a lot of his musical peers who also suffered from addiction is
many of them have done a tour sober. That first time you get up on that stage with a clear head is likely scary. You're
basically naked in front of that crowd. If you make mistakes and screw up you don't get to blame the drugs this time.
You probably wanna play it extra safe and avoid getting too complicated in solos perhaps. And if you suffer from bad
nerves like Jimmy you're likely even more gun shy about playing a gig straight.Yes the A R M S concert brought Jimmy out of hiding, he kicked his heroin habit, but it also kept the window of him still
doing his touring drunk and high. And it stayed that way for the rest of his public playing career (thus far)Bottom line for me is. In 2015 I really really wish Jimmy could face his fears and stand on a stage after a cup of tea and
play music. So many of the guys he grew up with have done that. I think it would be a weight off his shoulders if he could
too.He doesn't have to be fancy or ground breaking. Just do what he loves to do. Play guitar, but do it clean this time.
I don't suffer from addiction nor am I professional musician so my thoughts can easily be tossed out too.
To my knowledge he was pretty sober from at least 94' on, if not then he finally learned how to play pretty damn well stoned because his playing, especially from 98' - 2000 was IMO the best playing he had ever done, even eclipsing his best Zep years. He also played the O2 gig completely sober according to all accounts.
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Yes, saw them live in the early 80's in Chicago, great live band. When they released the worst fucking ballad (song) of all time, I Can't Fight This Feeling, I almost shot myself in the dick. How in great Caesar's ghost can the band which produced Can't Tune a Piano... come up with such crap.
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And that's the difference between Cream and later Eric Clapton projects. So many people bitch about how Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker were pricks, yet also lament how boring Clapton became. It could have become the same for Hendrix, if had lived, but collaborated with less experimental musicians. The Experience was about the levels and direction that each musician went in, or at least aspired to.
Agree Jimmie. The fist album of this sort is always pretty good, but after that ego takes over and self-indulgence goes one step beyond into self-parody and boredom.
Phil Collins back with band- Jason Bohnam on drums?
in Other Bands / Music
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All kidding aside, I don't hate Collins and feel he is an amazing talent. The only problem with Collins is his appearance at selling out just to make the big cash grab. If Collins had been in a more mainstream band, or rather a band that was not so musically out there as Genesis was pre-1978, I don't think people would have really noticed. However, going from Suppers Ready and Dance on a Volcano to fucking Don't Lose My Number & Take Me Home was a massive shift in direction and perspective by Collins, and that was only the beginning. One could point out Genesis was moving in that direction beginning with And Then There Were Three and then fairly obvious by the time of Duke, but No Jacket Required was pure 80's pop, super safe, and in 1984 if someone asked a musician to write a guaranteed mid-80's success album with all the current trends and cliche's, you would be hard pressed to find a better example than both NJR & Genesis's self titled album from 83'. Collins was all over the place in the 80's, music, movies, and divorce via fax machine kinda made the man the poster child of selling out and just being a dick in general.
In reality most of this is just blown out of proportion due to Collins roots in music, it's kinda like the lothario from college who beds hundreds of ladies only to come out later as a flaming queen, or more appropriately, Frank Zappa or Jon Anderson forming a rap group. I am sure Collins always had that commercial side to him and the ability to take good music and make it popular, but the masses only saw Collins as a sell out.
Even though I don't like much of Collins output from 1883 on, I still respect him as a musician and applaud his success. After all, the starving artist may be viewed as the picture of integrity, but most people still want to pay the bills and have a comfortable life. As for the whole divorce by fax debacle, that was a personal matter, maybe his soon to be ex was a psychopath and Collins believed this was the best way to handle it, who knows.
Good for Phil, I really hope he comes back and does so with style and grace.