There was indeed a UK band called The Firm - they had a hit with the memorable "Star Trekkin' Across The Universe"

Aha! So I got the Dave Lewis bit kind of right but was just way off with the year!

It definitely wasn't Bradford I was at that one - something in the back of my mind is saying it was something at the end of 1980 where he took a pic of them together too?

My memory not being quite what it was, I can't help - I seem to think it may have been a dave lewis shot?

I do but will PM as it is still pretty much his local I seem to remember this pic being late 1980 too but could be wrong? ( same shirt ) (edit - after Bonzo passed though I believe - sorry)

Would that be Sally Hayward and her family? This is one photo of Robert and his nephew from that encounter. The other pic is of Robert and Sally's brother.

Well that's NOTHING like what you said, but this is pointless. I'll accept "language barrier" and move on - I thought we had, but I guess when I showed you how the NASA/photograph thing couldn't have had anything to do with Grant persuading Bannister to add a second show, you came back to this.

Steve I think we are beating our heads on a brick wall here. Taro never wanted any answers - he knew them all anyway.

LOL well you couldn't have been excluding me, could you, so I knew you meant the figure - it's still a rude way to respond by anyone's standards. It's nothing to do with me taking it personally but it actually WAS a personal response to my post.

I'm fully aware of the background of the shows. However, the second show has NOTHING to do with the NASA/photograph incident, which Grant only brought into play after the disputes began. How could the NASA /photograph incident be used to persuade Bannister to hold a second show when the second show was planned, announced and sold months before the photograph could have been taken??

That's fine - like I said, enjoy your books and facts, I'll enjoy my memories, we'll live happy parallel lives

And I'm afraid that this is 100 % conjecture on your part. (BTW - do you really think that the second show, a week later, was only added AFTER the first? You make me laugh

How about you asking a question, me taking the time to try to answer you , and you responding with "Excluded". Followed by how much I made you laugh. I'll be sure to remember that this is how you answer people who try to answer your questions in future, Taro. As for my "Terrible rebuttal" - thanks for the critique, but I have no idea what you are talking about.

I am more inclined to agree with Peter Grant and my memories of the day than I am with this kind of factoid. Also, sorry for being irritable about your responses. Again, as quite often happens, I didn't make allowances for English not being your first language, and your responses seemed a bit rude to me in parts. Language barrier I am hoping? So I hope we can move on from this with our different opinions intact. You won't change my mind, and I clearly won't change yours. Peace.

Glad to have been of service. Your responses are typical of a type who think reading a few books makes them experts above those who were there. Just imagine that you go to a gig tomorrow - it is a wonderful, magical event, every part of it becomes embedded in your soul as one of the loveliest times of your gig-going experiences - you spend the following weeks and months absorbing all the different anecdotes and facts about it, the memory of it always makes you smile. Then 35 years down the line, someone who has read a couple of books and looked at a photo comes along and tells you your memories of it are wrong and your facts "excluded" - they may not have even been BORN at the time, but they are so much more of an expert about it than you that your recollections of it even make them laugh. Good luck with that. Oh and I'd rather have had the experience over any of the smart-arse collector's knowledge that so many try to accrue. BTW - answering your question in this thread wasn't a problem - you're welcome.

Which only proves you weren't around at the time.

"Excluded"??? I'm not bothered if you have "excluded" what I say here - I was there, I lived through it. Like I said, this has long been a bone of contention, and 250,000 isn't a figure I just came up with off the top of my head. Ask NASA.

This has long been a bone of contention but it is reckoned there were 250,000 there the first weekend and it certainly looked that way to me - never seen so many folk as far as the eye could see.

Thanks Ali. I've kept records, and have numerous people willing to back me up, including several who these losers have tried to "recruit" to pursue me in various ways. Suffice to say, there's more than enough.

The trouble is, they are. Look at what Del so proudly said when he finally cracked and admitted who he was in the Pope thread - "I have many names here. WE ARE LEGION!" These people actually think they are fighting some kind of war. They congratulate each-other on this stuff and think they are winning something. "I have many names here. WE ARE LEGION!" FFS. Here we are, people who love a band, trying to have a place to talk about them past present and future, and there are a gang of people who think they are some sort of army of superheroes because they have aliases and try to fool people and take others down. Like I said in the other thread, one of the great ironies about this is some of the folk so determined to personally attack me have put HOURS into trying to convince people that I am a "fraud" who has been "lying to people for years" ( and oh, I know you're watching as well as frantically PM-ing) - and yet when they want to attack me they steal a photo of my daughter aged two with Jimmy Page at Robert Plant's home in Wales. Just what that photo would be doing in her collection if I was the fraud they try to claim doesn't even seem to have occured to them. these people won't go away because this "battle" is some kind of perverted "hobby" for them. They are members on other forums where they can freely chat and are welcome but that isn't enough for them. Even when I used to try to be friendly with Nick and we exchanged a PM or two, and I shared with him that the Celebration Day DVD was coming out, he went straight to his other favourite forum and slagged me off for it. It's more important to these people to feel that they are scoring points against people like me than it is to actually enjoy chatting about the band on their official forum. That says more about them than we ever could, but sadly that means they won't be going away.

Hey thanks I'm gonna try to answer people by PM so I don't get accused of the "attention seeking " and also that genius idea that I orchestrated this myself - yeah I got strangers with a vendetta against me to violate my daughter's Facebook page on purpose. That's how I roll.

I'll be brief here - I totally understand why some don't like me, and have always been fine with that. There are some I don't like too - we can't all like everyone. This is a completely different thing though - and in another thread, Del ( aka "Ace Of Spades" ) has just been trying to excuse the theft from my daughter's page with "Word is the photo was already shared and on other forums". Anyone trying to excuse this is SICK. "A photo of a celebrity is hardly private" - yes it IS when it is MY photo with MY daughter and was NEVER SHARED except among my own trusted friends and family. Also - I ask you - with the level of fandom and research from the Pagettes here, would it have been posted "on other forums" and not here? Bullshit. Plus the fact that when it was posted here, it wasn't in any of the photo threads, but in the thread I started, "The Entourage", where it had NO relevance except to get to me. It was a completely deliberate act. People who behave that way or try to defend that behaviour are scum. Thanks for all your support, I'm in a bit of a no-win in this thread with it - if I say a public thank-you I get accused of being attention-seeking and acting like a Queen - the "Queen" status was something we afforded each- other years ago on the old forum, there was a great young lass who called herself "Little Miss James Patrick Page" - she called herself Queen of the Pagettes, I was then dubbed "Queen of the Aunties" in a joke reference to me being older than most of the other posters but not quite old enough to be Mum - people who try to use that against me just weren't around back in the day. I may not stick around here because these people have no shame and are not embarrassed by what they have done but defensive and self-congratulatory, and this is probably not the end of it. But I am really glad for all the nice people I have met and the fact that most people CAN see through the shit. I'm having a glass of red wine now. Cheers!

I have the info about this somewhere but no, it isn't Maureen's brother

I'm not particularly interested either, prefer not to dwell on their infidelities, and don't have some sort of hero-worship for people like Miss Pamela etc - but I don't know enough about Audrey to pass that kind of judgement on her. She may have had a ton of ambition and done loads of other things with her life, for all I know.