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Lead singer Robert Plant's vocals were raised an octave during mixing.
So an "effect" was employed, but Jimmy's comments disprove the use of vari-speed.
Nicely done!
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Helium
Well, it's always nice to see you brspled. You brought a smile this time -- a bonus!
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Found the following using a Google search from www.allexperts.com
Thanks, for that. I know Chris Z. He's a great guy and very knowledgeable. However, the information pertaining to Colby was posted by someone whom I cannot vouch for. It's intriguing in that it does provide some leads, if accurate. Many thanks!
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"Jimmy Page is an excellent producer. Led Zeppelin 1 and Led Zeppelin 2 are classics. As a player. He's very good in the studio. I never saw him play well live. He's very sloppy. He plays like he's got a broken hand and he's two years old. But if you put out a good album and play like a two-year-old live. What's the purpose?" - Guitar World, January 1981
Oh, excellent! Thanks for that. Eddie Van Halen's comments in their original context. Well, I must say they are not very flattering. 1981? The rascal is feeling his oats!
It's funny, if Eddie attended the 5/31/73 show at The Forum Jimmy was performing with a sprained finger, sustained the day before. I'll have to check if he was there for any of
the June 21-23, 25-27 1977 gigs at the Forum. May have been touring with Van Halen
and missed those. Earlier in the thread someone wondered aloud who cares if Eddie met
Bonzo so I'll note in advance some may care not the Led Zeppelin concerts he attended.
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Not sure, but will check my references, but I remember reading that no effects were put on Robert's voice and that surprised me because I always thought something was on it. I'll check and get back.
I'm using the term "effects" very loosely here. It certainly isn't "raw" and the evidence suggests the track was sped up.
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I think that my link and my pasted info pretty much confirms that B Colby is a real and
I wish it were that easy. Your post proclaiming Colby's existence cites Robert Plant as having said he commissioned Colby, thus throwing all that followed into doubt. Perhaps that was the result of a typo.
I will certainly look into what footage exists. In the meantime, I can mention journalist
Chris Welch accompanied them on their short German tour (July 16-19 1970). They
took a 5 1/2 hour train ride south along the Rhein from Dusseldorf to Frankfurt for that
night's concert. Anyway, some of the 8mm home movie footage Chris shot during this
time was available on You Tube and probably still is.
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Steve,
Do you what year Eddie Van Halen made is now famous remark about Jimmy's playing ability? IIRC it was something to the tune of being a two year old with broken fingers.
For such a "famous" remark I've never heard it and you've not cited it. Eddie has said
he was inspired to create some of his techniques after watching Jimmy Page perform
the solo for 'Heartbreaker' at the Forum in Inglewood, CA in '71 or '72. If he ever said
something like that it's really no different than Slash's comment following Jimmy's Oct 7th 1988 concert at The Forum:"I love Jimmy Page, but man, he bores the fuck out of me sometimes". Slash was of course on his way to gunslinger glory with G n' R when he
said it. A lot of what these guys say about Jimmy can be put down to "feeling their oats". It's the Braggadocio Olympics.
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Did Robert Plant receive some type of treatment to achieve the vocal quality on The Song Remains The Same off HOTH? I was a young teenager when this album was released and vaguely remember some talk about this.
Clearly, some effects have been applied to the vocal track. It seems to have been done
to give the song more "momentum". The listeners are "propelled" thru the distant lands and places he sings of, where "the song remains the same". This may also have been achieved by manipulating the playback speed of the master tape for the vocal track.
I'm not an audio engineer! The incomparable Eddie Kramer would be able to cite specifics but I don't believe he has ever done so publicly.
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Page: We then came up with the idea of having the picture -- the man with the sticks -- represent the old way on a demolished building, with the new way combing up behind it. The illustration on the inside was my idea. It is the Hermit character from the Tarot, a symbol of self-reliance and wisdom, and it was drawn by Barrington Colby.
The typeface for the lyrics to Stairway was also my contribution. I found it in a really old arts ad crafts magazine called Studio, which started in the late 1800's. I thought the lettering was so interesting, I got someone to work up a whole alphabet.
This idea of a "new world rising from the shambles of the old" is expressed quite clearly in the lyrics for 'The Rover' on Physical Graffiti, released four years later.
Insofar as the fourth album I was attempting to focus specifically on the inner artwork
but certainly, the front cover is also mysterious. Does anyone really believe a portrait
found in a Redding junk shop adorns one of the world's most successful rock albums?
Jimmy was so meticulous concerning every possible aspect of this album -- graphics,
the content, the release without a title. Some believe the portrait on the front cover
depicts one of England's most prominent occult figures.
Whom would Jimmy have commissioned to work up an alphabet? Why is this person neither named nor credited? Would Jimmy not have been capable of this task himself?
The Hermit of the Tarot does not bear horns, but The Hermit of Led Zeppelin IV does.
Just an observation on my part. Besides, it's just "Colby's" rendition, right?
Just more mystery concerning Led Zeppelin IV!
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The code can only be accessed by incorrect spelling .
I didn't recognize your post at first. It isn't multi-colored. Anyway, if what you claim is true you've probably held the code longer than anyone among us.
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On my Fourth Album sleeve, it says "The Hermit" Barrington Colby Mom
Yes, but Jimmy said the name of the artist was "Barrington Colby". It doesn't match.
If anything, this mystery has deepened.
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Oh my,what large bold letters ! Adaring splash of color even! Welcome to the Revelution!
Hello, lajoie. Could you confirm or deny you starred in Leprechaun and the two sequels?
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Led Zeppelin: The Fourth Album Graphics Mystery
Jimmy Page has long maintained the inner album graphics depicting the Hermit on the mountain top (depiction simplified for presentation here...it's more complicated than this)
were done by Barrington Colby. However, so far as I know no other example's of Colby's
work have ever surfaced. Further, there is speculation Barrington Colby never existed,
that it is in fact an alias for Jimmy Page, who was of course an art college student.
Given that Jimmy has already admitted he was the one who selected the typeface for the lyrics to Stairway to Heaven which are printed on the album sleeve, the mystery becomes
did Jimmy produce the inner album graphics using the alias "Barrington Colby" or not?
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Robert Plant: The Now & Zen Album Graphics Mystery
On the front cover of Robert Plant's 1988 solo album Now & Zen there are three symbols
down the left hand side beneath the red flag. The feather in the circle is a throwback to
his symbol on the fourth Led Zeppelin album, and he admitted deriving the "Wolf's head" logo from his favorite football club, the Wolverhampton Wanderers, but what about that
other one of three beneath the flag? What does it represent? It's meaning?
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The battle of SAJ vs. Knebby who claims to have so much inside knowledge. For all I know you are both full of crap, and unless anyone cares to provide proof otherwise, I will continue to believe that.
There is no battle between myself or any other forum member. Knebby has proven she can be an invaluable collaborator. Unfortunately, we're not friends so generally I ignore her unless she is corrupting this thread.
I freely allow others to draw their own conclusions. The caliber of my posts stand or fall
on their own merits. My personal reputation is on the line with every post I make and I don't take that consequence lightly. Anonymous attackers have the luxury of not caring.
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Here's are some questions for you, Steve. I'm not being sarcastic here, they are legitimate questions...
This interview you conducted with Michael Chain, will it be published anywhere? Or is its final destination this site and this thread? What did Michael Chain think it was for? Was he under the impression that he was conducting an "official" interview for Led Zeppelin's website, conducted by a representative of the band and its site? Or did he know he was simply answering questions asked by a curious fan?
In other words, was he under the impression, whether given by you purposefully or not, that he was giving a "real" interview, or did he know that it was simply for a fan to be posted on a public message board?
Michael Chain and Led Zeppelin's representatives were fully informed as to the nature of
the interview, it's intended purpose and use. A complete transcription of all the original correspondence was provided for filing as appropriate. I leave it for other to enter into
a semantic debate over what constitutes official as I've got too many other projects to concern myself with.
I cannot stop others from taking the interview I conducted (which is quite "real" thank you) and posting it elsewhere, just as I cannot stop the bootlegging of mastertapes I discover, nor the cutting and pasting of chronological dates and details I provide here into private databases and books others will take full credit for.
I cannot fathom what it is that possesses people such as yourself to consistently attack my personal credibility in these matters. I must say there are a few here among us who
appear to be cowards cloaked in anonymity.
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Not a Zeppelin question but just curious: in the Michael Chain interview, he says his group the Knack broke up & then he formed this band Pinkiny Canandy. This isn't the same Knack of "My Sharona" fame is it?
No, they are not the same as the two were formed about a decade apart. There is a connection to Led Zeppelin though as 'In Through The Out Door' knocked The Knack's 'My Sharona' out of it's number one position on the U.S. album chart in the fall of 1979.
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Amen. And if you are.....cite your sources please and try and stay on topic.
I'm the source, aside from whatever follows thru further collaboration. The thread title
and first post establishes this precept quite clearly.
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The rest of us mere mortals just have to navigate the site ignoring or responding to posts that don't please us.
We could discuss thread corruption further but your already among those who ought to know better by now.
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If Patricia was an heiress why would she have been working as a waitress?
Hypothetically speaking, an heiress could work as a waitress. I didn't say I believed
she was an heiress, I said it was an angle I hadn't heard before but highlighted the names don't match. It's quite funny to consider though.
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I've learned so much from this thread from the questions you have answered... a great thread!
I learn new things here as well. Collaboration is the key!
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And certainly the linkage between Page and Crowley is a far more relevant discussion than the trivial talk of the band's day-to-day comings and goings .
Whatever the linkage between the two it is generally best examined within it's own specific threads and not in this one as my thread opening post clearly stipulates. I
freely address the topic in appropriate threads but I simply am not interested in
fielding hyperbole, speculation and interpretations of the link in this one. Posts to
this thread which do not respect my wishes will be ignored and removed.
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"LED ZEPPELIN: ICE PALACE in LAS VEGAS - AUGUST 11th 1969"
An Interview With Michael Chain of Pinkiny Canandy
Conducted Thu, April 8, 2008 by Steve A. Jones:
Q: Allow me to take you back to Summer 1969. What's going on in your life in general at that time?
A: My band the Knack (Capitol Records) had broken up and I went off on my own. I signed a new deal with UNI records and recorded the PINKINY CANANDY album.
Q: In regards to August 11th 1969, what had brought Pinkiny Canandy to Las Vegas? Was it part of a larger tour?
A: I was out promoting my new PINKINY CANANDY album and jumping from concert to concert.
Q: Do you recall who handled the bookings and promotion, if any, for the concert? Was it arranged on short notice? Do you recall posters being produced or any announcements in the press? The presence of press photographers?
A: Mike Tell promoted the concerts. (he later married Patty Duke and built an ark in his backyard) Tell flew by the seat of his pants and his concerts were the same. Pinkiny did a promo autograph album signing party at a local record store and I don't recall much in the way of posters or press. We were too worried about getting paid, played, and laid to pay much attention to anything else.
Q: Throughout the month Led Zeppelin had been staying at the Continental Hyatt House on the Sunset Strip in Los Angeles. Do you recall where Pinkiny Canandy was staying?
A: When I wasn't at home (off Laurel Canyon below Mullholland Drive) PINKINY CANANDY (Michael Chain & band) was sleeping on the floor of his Ford Econoline van on a cross country pick-up concert tour Mike Tell set up.
Q: You mentioned to me a local act opened this concert, and Pinkiny Canandy was billed above Led Zeppelin. Is this correct? Does the name of the local act escape your memory?
A: Led Zeppelin topped the bill with Pinkiny Canandy as special guests and a local band opening the show. Haven't a clue who they were.
Q: Do you recall if any of the bands conducted a sound check at the Ice Palace?
A: Pinkiny did a soundcheck and then we were off to the record store.
Q: Was there any offstage interaction between yourself or your band with Led Zeppelin?
A: We got to the Ice Palace first and snagged the best dressing room (they were all pretty terrible as the place was an ice skating rink). We joked about that and John Paul Jones' connection with Herman's Hermits, and during Doug Altman's (Pinkiny drummer) solo, Doug threw a drumstick at Bonham who was behind the stage.
Q:Any backstage banter or discussions about the local music scene?
A: The stage was a makeshift platform set up on the ice in the middle of the rink. Boards were laid over the ice in front of the stage for the concert goers - no real backstage only bare ice. Not much of a music scene in Vegas other than top 40 dance bands. It they danced to you in the 60's you weren't a concert act.
Q: How long did Pinkiny Canandy perform that night? What sort of material and songs were presented?
A: We performed for about 45 minutes, playing all of my original songs from the PINKINY CANANDY album and ended the show with our signature tearing-down of our amps and drums during our encore. The drummer's set was carried offstage piece by piece during his solo until he had nothing left to play but the snare. We carried Doug offstage that night banging away to a standing ovation.
Q: After your performance, did you stay to observe Led Zeppelin's set? We're you at all familiar with their debut album? Jimmy Page's reputation as a guitarist? Were you aware he was departing for New York the next day to continue his work on Led Zeppelin II?
A: After we got out of our white Brioni suits we snuck back out to watch Zeppelin from the back of the bleachers. We had heard the debut album and were aware of Jimmy's rep as a picker (he lived up to it). Having had James Burton, Jerry Cole, Glen Campbell, Tommy Tedesco, Bobby Cochran, Kent Henry, Jose Feliciano, and Dink Kaplan play with me in the past I was always very conscious of great guitarists. We too were departing for New York that night, only we were doing it in a Ford Van.
Q: Do you have any other recollections or anecdotes from that night you wish to share?
A: Zeppelin were great guys, great players, and they had a great sense of humor. I am currently writing a book about that Mike Tell pick-up tour we played with Zeppelin, Steppenwolf, Canned Heat, Zombies and Three Dog Night on.
Q: Did you attend any of Led Zeppelin's other performances thru the years? Did your paths ever cross again personally or professionally?
A: Never did. A few years after that concert I became a television writer (Rambo, Punky Brewster, Villa Alegre, Chuck Norris) and didn't go back into music until the late 90's.
Q: What's next for Michael Chain? Any particular projects you wish to mention?
A: You can check out all of my music from the original Knack to now on youtube.com (search: Michael Chain Band) or my website: www.michaelchain.com
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YET ANOTHER 1969 LED ZEPPELIN CONCERT CONFIRMED
ICE PALACE in LAS VEGAS August 11, 1969
"LED ZEPPELIN: ICE PALACE in LAS VEGAS - AUGUST 11th 1969"
An Interview With Michael Chain of Pinkiny Canandy
Conducted Thu, April 8, 2008 by Steve A. Jones:
Q: Allow me to take you back to Summer 1969. What's going on in your life in general at that time?
A: My band the Knack (Capitol Records) had broken up and I went off on my own. I signed a new deal with UNI records and recorded the PINKINY CANANDY album.
Q: In regards to August 11th 1969, what had brought Pinkiny Canandy to Las Vegas? Was it part of a larger tour?
A: I was out promoting my new PINKINY CANANDY album and jumping from concert to concert.
Q: Do you recall who handled the bookings and promotion, if any, for the concert? Was it arranged on short notice? Do you recall posters being produced or any announcements in the press? The presence of press photographers?
A: Mike Tell promoted the concerts. (he later married Patty Duke and built an ark in his backyard) Tell flew by the seat of his pants and his concerts were the same. Pinkiny did a promo autograph album signing party at a local record store and I don't recall much in the way of posters or press. We were too worried about getting paid, played, and laid to pay much attention to anything else.
Q: Throughout the month Led Zeppelin had been staying at the Continental Hyatt House on the Sunset Strip in Los Angeles. Do you recall where Pinkiny Canandy was staying?
A: When I wasn't at home (off Laurel Canyon below Mullholland Drive) PINKINY CANANDY (Michael Chain & band) was sleeping on the floor of his Ford Econoline van on a cross country pick-up concert tour Mike Tell set up.
Q: You mentioned to me a local act opened this concert, and Pinkiny Canandy was billed above Led Zeppelin. Is this correct? Does the name of the local act escape your memory?
A: Led Zeppelin topped the bill with Pinkiny Canandy as special guests and a local band opening the show. Haven't a clue who they were.
Q: Do you recall if any of the bands conducted a sound check at the Ice Palace?
A: Pinkiny did a soundcheck and then we were off to the record store.
Q: Was there any offstage interaction between yourself or your band with Led Zeppelin?
A: We got to the Ice Palace first and snagged the best dressing room (they were all pretty terrible as the place was an ice skating rink). We joked about that and John Paul Jones' connection with Herman's Hermits, and during Doug Altman's (Pinkiny drummer) solo, Doug threw a drumstick at Bonham who was behind the stage.
Q:Any backstage banter or discussions about the local music scene?
A: The stage was a makeshift platform set up on the ice in the middle of the rink. Boards were laid over the ice in front of the stage for the concert goers - no real backstage only bare ice. Not much of a music scene in Vegas other than top 40 dance bands. It they danced to you in the 60's you weren't a concert act.
Q: How long did Pinkiny Canandy perform that night? What sort of material and songs were presented?
A: We performed for about 45 minutes, playing all of my original songs from the PINKINY CANANDY album and ended the show with our signature tearing-down of our amps and drums during our encore. The drummer's set was carried offstage piece by piece during his solo until he had nothing left to play but the snare. We carried Doug offstage that night banging away to a standing ovation.
Q: After your performance, did you stay to observe Led Zeppelin's set? We're you at all familiar with their debut album? Jimmy Page's reputation as a guitarist? Were you aware he was departing for New York the next day to continue his work on Led Zeppelin II?
A: After we got out of our white Brioni suits we snuck back out to watch Zeppelin from the back of the bleachers. We had heard the debut album and were aware of Jimmy's rep as a picker (he lived up to it). Having had James Burton, Jerry Cole, Glen Campbell, Tommy Tedesco, Bobby Cochran, Kent Henry, Jose Feliciano, and Dink Kaplan play with me in the past I was always very conscious of great guitarists. We too were departing for New York that night, only we were doing it in a Ford Van.
Q: Do you have any other recollections or anecdotes from that night you wish to share?
A: Zeppelin were great guys, great players, and they had a great sense of humor. I am currently writing a book about that Mike Tell pick-up tour we played with Zeppelin, Steppenwolf, Canned Heat, Zombies and Three Dog Night on.
Q: Did you attend any of Led Zeppelin's other performances thru the years? Did your paths ever cross again personally or professionally?
A: Never did. A few years after that concert I became a television writer (Rambo, Punky Brewster, Villa Alegre, Chuck Norris) and didn't go back into music until the late 90's.
Q: What's next for Michael Chain? Any particular projects you wish to mention?
A: You can check out all of my music from the original Knack to now on youtube.com (search: Michael Chain Band) or my website: www.michaelchain.com
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