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In Through The Out Door Double Album?
This inquiry via PM from LedZep4Ever (Steve Sparks)
I can't remember now, but I believe I either read and/or heard that "In Through the Out Door" was to have been a double album? I think the timeline that I read and/or heard this was between the 1979 release of ITTOD and shortly sometime after CODA was released
since, basically, side 2 of CODA are all outtakes from ITTOD.
Can you possibly confirm any of this?
Thanks for your time,
Steve Sparks (LedZep4Ever)
I think I can completely disprove this idea of a double album.
They were on hiatus from August 1977 to May 1978 to allow Robert time to grieve the
loss of his son.
When they reconvened in May 1978 at Clearwell Castle in Forest-of-the-Dean they had no new material aside from 'Carouselambra' so for the most part they only jammed on medley's. A considerable amount of time elapsed before they got together again.
On October 13th 1978 they reconvened at Ezyhire Studios in London to write and rehearse new material to be recorded by the end of the year.
On November 6th 1978 they departed for Stockholm for a series of Monday thru Friday recording sessions at Polar Studios.
On November 14th Ozone Baby was recorded. Wearing And Tearing on November 21st.
On December 16th 1978 they returned from Stockholm for the holiday break.
Ultimately, they had ten tracks mixed and ready by January 1979.
In February 1979 the mixing sessions were done at Polar Studios.
On August 14th 1979, ITTOD was released.
Only three of the eight tracks on CODA are ITTOD outtakes: 'Ozone Baby', 'Darlene' and 'Wearing And Tearing'. I've already shown at least two of these three was recorded in
the limited time they had available. I would bet all three were but have not confirmed the date for 'Darlene' so I do not make that claim.
In Through The Out Door only contains 7 songs (42:25) so they could have added more had they wanted to. In my opinion, the fact these three were left off the album is more indicitive the band felt they either didn't fit the mood of the album or were weak songs than that they suggest a double album was ever in the works. In early 1978, when the
rehearsals began, they were just satisfied knowing Robert would return. A double album
would have been far too ambitious given the circumstances of the time.
CODA was merely a contractual obligation to Atlantic Records. Jimmy Page had to scrounge up enough material to cobble together a final album. Otherwise, those three
songs may never have seen the light of day (at least not until the Boxed Set industry phenomenon of the '90s!)
Interestingly enough, Jimmy says the opening riff of Coverdale/Page's 'Shake My Tree' does date back to the ITTOD era. A piece of music they couldn't find a use for, so to speak. Again, had they set their mind on a double album one would think all ideas would have been incorporated.
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I just dont see anyone sneaking in a camcorder in those days and not be noticed. And the shows listed were quite numerous...
There are dozens of Page/Plant tour videos in circulation but the vast majority were filmed by camcorders in the audience. It's not as difficult as you may believe. So far
as I know only one or two complete pro-shot Nocturne shows entered circulation but
that's inevitible, really.
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I'm changing the thread here, but is there a list of the shows in which anyone other than Robert addresses the audience? Jimmy only seemed to start talking in 1980 but I know he spoke at least once prior during riot-like conditions.
Confirmation of Las Vegas Aug 11 1969 is a hot topic at the moment! Changing the thread now may discourage concert-goers who were there from posting. I suggest
starting a new thread to raise that question. It's completely off topic.
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It seems odd (to me, anyway) that Nocturne would have the tapes in their vaults. Would the images contained therein not be property of the band? Also, (and I probably already know the answer) is it possible that any of this footage will see the light of day?
I was surprised to learn their location as well. The band (Jimmy) or their label may have taken possession of them in the intervening years but as I understand it that's where they were. One of the reasons Nocturne kept them is for the occasional promo clips they would be commissioned to provide, normally for news reports and telecasts. In this way, some pro-shot footage clips have been released (New Orleans 3/11/95, Detroit 4/1/95, East Rutherford 4/7/95, Irvine Meadows 10/3/95, Hartford 10/21/95).
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Just wondering, can you explain what the "mystery" is? I do remember it had seven (i believe) different covers. Does anyone remember this: I heard on the local radio station (probably that day, 20 Aug '79) that if you took a damp sponge to the inside sleeve (you know, the ashtray, drink on table, etc) it would then change from black/white to color. Strange but true. I did it to mine, and sure enough---there it was: color. Was there any reason for this besides just something extra to do?
There were six covers, each depicting the same bar scene from different point of view.
He wanted to know why a particular cover was selected for the cd release. The answer seems obvious - because only one can be chosen - but perhaps there is more to it. I've
heard some crazy theories before about why there are six covers, six angles, six...
The water-color inner sleeves sprung from the incomparable imagination of Hipgnosis. It
is a bar scene and drinks are often spilled on bars so why not the inner sleeve? If there's more to this someone else can feel free to chime in.
The brown paper bag was possibly a band idea. The music was not fashionable (In Through The Out Door...get it) so it was thought why not put it out in a brown paper bag. Robert has related the joke that in this way people who came to it while flipping through their record collections could exclaim: "Oh, no that's not really there. It's just a brown paper bag!". However, the bag does conceal which of the six covers (each was
labelled on the spine either A B C D E F) the record-buyer had just purchased so it did
serve a purpose beyond party humor.
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Coverdale/Page Jam with Poison
University of Nevada - Lawlor Events Center
May 14 1991
I've had a good exchange with tahoezep who attended this obscure jam mentioned earlier in the thread. Coverdale/Page had joined Poison during the encore and they allegedly performed 'Rock And Roll', 'The Rover', and 'Stairway To Heaven'. I asked tahoezep if he recalled those songs? Supposedly Jimmy fell onstage as soon as he walked on, so I asked about that. I went on to mention a few days prior, on May 9th, Jimmy attended an FM 96 Rock Party in Reno. He was seated with DJ Max Volume and signed autographs while drinking whiskey. I asked if he recalled that occasion.
This from tahoezep:
My only encounter with David and Jimmy was sometime around the '91 period when they both guest appeared during the end of a Poison set at the Lawlor Events Center in Reno.
I was there as part of a birthday bash for the wife of one of my good friends at the Lake. It was a great surprise, but honestly a not very impressive performance. If I remember, someone from the band was also celebrating a birthday and it looked like Jimmy and David had a head start on the celebrations!
More from tahoezep:
'Rock and Roll' seems right, I don't recall the Rover but definitely remember Jimmy having great difficulty starting Stairway to Heaven and making mention that "he forgot how it goes" or something to that effect.
I did not see what caused the fall but he clearly stumbled on stage upon his entrance. Both of the above mentioned acts contributed greatly to the belief that Jimmy wasn't "firing on all cylinders" at the show.
After thinking about it more - I believe it was C.C. Deville's birthday.
I certainly remember Max Volume but did not know him nor am I familiar with the May 9th FM 96 Rock party.
Am amazed at the depth of your knowledge of these events.
Thanks for sharing.
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In clarification, every show Nocturne participated in probably has a full audio/video recording?
Yes. Nocturne would have been obligated by contract to provide that service. Bear in mind, as I understand it, the mastertapes in the Nocturne vault only contain whatever was shown on the screens. This is to say the video engineer at the board "selected" the camera feed he wanted displayed at any given time and that final "mix" as shown on the screens is what was recorded on the mastertape. The individual cameras themselves were not equipped with a record capability.
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Hey Steve,
It's been awhile, but I'm just wondering if there has been any progress on the "ITTOD Cover Mystery"? its just been a while without any updates... thanks in advance!
Your original inquiry is a legitimate question. Unfortunately, the right answer may not be
known outside of the band members or their representatives, in which case resolution
will take some time. Rest assured it has not been forgotten!
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Don't mean to be rude or meddling,but could a fraction of this be expounded upon?
The door is cracked open a bit here. If it's not cool,we understand.
Sure. Can you clarify what you believe requires expounding upon?
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So, in summation, the audio and video for every P/P show was recorded?
That's a sweeping generalization which may not hold up under closer scrutiny. I believe
Nocturne Video's tour production support may have been limited to the North American
dates only. I can get clarification on that. I do know I attended many European dates
which were not documented by a full camera crew and screens were not present, for
example St. Austell 7/12/95. However, they may have employed the use of a single cam
mounted on the soundboard, as I'd seen John Paul Jones do on his 1999 European tour.
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The inside credits on the Outrider album also list "Succubus Music Inc." as the publisher Co. I know people who knew Page's ex-wife personally. (I'm from New Orleans) I believe she is a relative of the family that owned the Eckerd's drug stores that have since closed down. She is from Metairie, La which is just a few miles from New Orleans. He used to frequent Fat City which is sort of a strip of Bars in Metairie and he did hang out in Dino's Rock Box and McAllister's (which became The Last Stop). But that was around the time of The Firm and also The Outrider tour. I believe he still has an interest in the occult, but he is more tame about it and less involved than he was before. He's 64 now and is married with a few kids. This isn't 1974 any longer. I'm sure it's still a part of him, but in not nearly such a way.
I believe Patricia's maiden name is Ecker, not Eckerd. However, her having been a drugstore heiress is an interesting angle and I'll look into it.
On Friday, March 16 1990 Jimmy was seen at Dino's Rock Box (3619 18th St) throwing darts and this was reported on local radio station WCKW two days later. You seem to
be saying it was a bit of a haunt for him, in addition to the other locales. I find this very interesting.
Robert Plant still has an abiding affinity for New Orleans!
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I'm glad he has a better memory than Robert!
It's been corroborated to a degree by concert-goers, one of whom is a forum member.
In regards to Robert's memory, any further confirmation of his 1981 Honeydripper gigs, among others, is far more likely to be recalled and provided by you!
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The Inquiry
On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Steve A. Jones <undisclosed address> wrote:
Hello. Pinkiny Canandy and Michael Chain have become a topic of conversation on Led Zeppelin's Official Site (link below). It would be terrific if Michael Chain or a representative could confirm or deny he recalls opening for Led Zeppelin at the Ice Palace in Las Vegas on August 11 1969. If confirmed this date and it's details will be added to the band's official history!
Respectfully Yours,
Steve A. Jones
http://forums.ledzeppelin.com//index.php?s...ic=4716&hl=
The Initial Confirmation
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 00:30 AM, Michael Chain <undisclosed address> wrote:
Hiya Steve;
PINKINY CANANDY didn't open for Led Zeppelin - we were second on the bill. A local band opened the show, then Pinkiny Canandy (Michael Chain) and then Zeppelin. PINKINY CANANDY: Michael Chain lead singer/songwriter guitarist (original lead singer of the KNACK) drums - Doug Altman (played with Ricky Nelson, Jackson Brown, Linda Rondstat, Danny O'Keefe) bass -Mike Rice (formerly with Merry Go Round) lead guitar - Gary Kato (formerly with Merry Go Round). Any other questions you have I'll be happy to answer. I remember that concert well.
Michael Chain
www.michaelchain.com
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YET ANOTHER 1969 LED ZEPPELIN CONCERT CONFIRMED
ICE PALACE in LAS VEGAS August 11, 1969
The Initial Confirmation I received in response to my inquiry via private correspondence:
(addresses omitted)
Hiya Steve;
PINKINY CANANDY didn't open for Led Zeppelin - we were second on the bill. A local band opened the show, then Pinkiny Canandy (Michael Chain) and then Zeppelin. PINKINY CANANDY: Michael Chain lead singer/songwriter guitarist (original lead singer of the KNACK) drums - Doug Altman (played with Ricky Nelson, Jackson Brown, Linda Rondstat, Danny O'Keefe) bass -Mike Rice (formerly with Merry Go Round) lead guitar - Gary Kato (formerly with Merry Go Round). Any other questions you have I'll be happy to answer. I remember that concert well.
Michael Chain
www.michaelchain.com
Original Thread:
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So, what are the chances you might just ask Mr. Van Halen, yourself? That would clear it up.
Yes, I could always ask however that is not my style if I believe I can arrive at the answer thru collaboration, and besides this is not a good time to ask Eddie anything.
He's got enough problems at the moment.
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Oh I can see that Steve but its all pure guess work isn't it as to whether they were in the same state/city/country on the some day some time in the 70's.
But its your energy levels to waste on it. Just giving my view on it.
I heard this same thing before releasing a 38 year old audience tape from Vancouver and as of five minutes ago, receiving formal confirmation Led Zeppelin DID play in Las Vegas in 1969. I fully realize some pursuits may seem trivial to some and believe me I know better than most how truly aggravating they can become but one never knows where it will lead unless it is pursued. I'm willing to take this particular path, you apparently are not. Perhaps the next topic of interest presented here will intrigue you and perhaps not.
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Can i just say I don't care whether EVH met Zeppelin or whoever. Why do people find this so important to know anyway?
The level of importance is subjective. Clearly, it is a topic of interest for myself and many others.
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Nirvana has apparently confused his personal theories with Crowley's. More is less? Know thyself?! The Key?! ROTFLMAO! These sentiments are not funny in and of themselves, but
hilarious (and I do mean laugh out loud funny!) when projected onto Crowley. Let me let
folks in on a little secret - money can't buy you happiness but it sure as hell don't hurt!
"For everything else, there's Master Card" -- Aleister Crowley
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Repressed people really fuckin' freak out on stuff and create amazing things.
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Steve,
Pinkiny Canandy was a talented band formed in 1969 and recorded an album that year.
I've sent a message to Michael Chain with a link to this thread and an open invitation to
confirm or deny here or via private correspondence. I'll keep interested parties informed
as necessary.
tahoezep - if your truly in Tahoe PM me please, there's someone near you may know.
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Steve,
Michael Chain, founder of Pinkiny Canandy, the Zep opening act that August 1969 evening in Las Vegas at the Ice Palace, is an active performer in Southern California and can be reached through his web site michaelchain.com
Thanks for that. I actually did a keyword search on Pinkiny Canady when this started and came up with nothing much. Michael Chain, here I come!
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Swandown has splendidly narrowed the possibilities to Sept 1975 - June 1977. Eddie Van Halen was actively performing and ultimately recording in LA throughout this time so the focus shifts to Blackmore's whereabouts during this time.
I find the link to The Runaways interesting because they were among a few local acts Led Zeppelin specifically flew to Los Angeles to check out circa Jan-Mar 1976. It very well could have been March 23 or 24 1976, in which case we potentially have Bonham and Blackmore together at The Rainbow on The Sunset Strip. Eddie Van Halen simply approaches their table and voila -- the memory he mentioned in 1979 was made.
Swandown...your posts were very meticulous and amazing as always.
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Roy Wood - On The Road Again
Label - Warner Bros.
Cat. No. - WB 56 591
Released - 1979
Track / Title
Side 1
1 - (We're) On The Road Again
2 - Wings Over The Sea
3 - Keep Your Hands On The Wheel
4 - Colourful Lady
5 - Road Rocket
Side 2
1 - Backtown Sinner
2 - Jimmy Lad
3 - Dancin' At The Rainbow's End
4 - Another Night
5 - Way Beyond The Rain
Credits:
Roy Wood : vocals, drums, saxes, celli, electric bass,
electric guitars, percussion, acoustic guitars, bongos,
sitar, slide guitar, mandolin, tuba, vibes, bagpipes,
recorders, clarinet, violin, bass clarinet, string bass,
military percussion.
Plus Rock Brigade : Paul Robbins, Pete Mackie,
Billy Paul, Dave Donovan, Charlie Grima.
John Bonham drums on Keep Your Hands On The Wheel.
Annie Haslam, Andy Fairweather-Low, Carl Wayne,
Dick Plant : Guest backing vocals
Production details:
Produced by Roy Wood
Recorded at: Rockfield Studios (Monmouth),
D.J.M. (London), Utopia Studios (London),
The Music Centre (Wembley), Air (London),
Lee Sound Studios (Pelsall).
Sleeve design: Seabrook Graves Aslett.
Sleeve Illustration: Bob Norrington
Song writing credits:
All songs written and arranged by Roy Wood
Thanks:
We would like to thank Mo Ostin and Nick Mobbs for
joining forces.
Also Richard Battle, Colin Newman, Rick Price and
Chrissie Harwood for helping to organise everything.
Love and thanks to Sue and Deana for the food.
An extra thankyou to Wombourne Police Dept. for tracking
down our stolen equipment
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Apparently John Bonham was seen at the Rainbow on his birthday. Eddie Van Halen stated that he met John Bonham at the Rainbow; but if Blackmore was not there, then that part is solved.
Ritchie Blackmore was not there. He woke up the morning of May 31, 1973 in New York, having played The Felt Forum with Deep Purple the night before.
Led Zeppelin in Las Vegas?
in Led Zeppelin Live
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