...some additional details re. Ice Palace location....... led zeppelin history mystery‏ From: Jack LeVine (Jack@UncleJack.com) Sent: September 21, 2009 9:11:05 AM Cc: 'Pam Hartley-Kowalski' (pam50@cox.net) I haven’t spoken to Pam. Lynn Zook said that in the email that I quoted, that Pam remembers going. I’m CC’ing her on this. Has anyone! Spoken to Spencer Patterson, the Las Vegas Weekly author of the original 25 concerts story??? Who were his sources? In the meanwhile, both Lynn and I have put up the story on our blogs to see if any of the readers can tell us anything. I have no way of knowing how to go about finding bank or Irs records. Any permits etc, would have to be from Clark County. The Ice Palace (and comm. Center) is NOT in the City of Las Vegas. Jack ...I have responded to Mr. Levine, on my part, with the available information as per Timeline... new information on the Ice Palace is noted likewise... tks. to Mr. Levine..

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....... e-mail received... RE: [uncle Jack's Very Vintage Vegas Comment: "Commercial Center Business Association Attempts To Set The Record Straight"‏ From: Jack LeVine (Jack@UncleJack.com) Sent: September 20, 2009 12:34:52 AM Attachments: 1 attachment LAS_VEGAS...pdf (9.7 KB) I was all typed out with the note below when Lynn Zook of classic las vegas emailed me that she had already heard from you on this project. Bummer, I thought I had something new for them. Looks like I’m last in line. Still think we should put it out on our blogs to see what anyone else has. Just to keep this email thread intact and coherent, Lynn Zook said this: Jack, I was contacted about this about two weeks ago. Pam went to the concert at the Ice Palace but sadly did not take any pictures. Another friend still has his concert ticket from the cancelled Zep concert at the Convention Center that never happened. I believe Paco has not found any pics at the News Bureau and I asked Dennis about it but I think he might be busy with the Zick mailer and stuff and hasn't had a chance to look .... Attached is the tax record showing the building was built in 1967. I've passed your message on (in a separate email) to the 3 best cultural historians in Las Vegas, and am CC’ing them on this. Lets see what they know or have in their archives. I'd be happy to help by putting it out on my blog to see what else we can shake loose from the readers. Is there a deadline for the project, or are you just filling in gaps everywhere that they exist. Glad to help. Jack We have lots of fun promoting the classic homes and historic neighborhoods of Las Vegas. We call it "Very Vintage Vegas" www.VeryVintageVegas.com And, selling real estate funds our passion for preserving Vintage Vegas. Your referrals are always appreciated. Jack LeVine Keller Williams Realty-Las Vegas

...at the same time, it's not much different, when it comes to Press/Media attention of CONFIRMED EVENTS...here is what Producer of Dead/Santana shows, Mr. Dick Lepre, recalled re: Ice Palace on March 29,1969 Dead/Santana........ This was 40 years ago and I am just going form memory but… The contracts we had were with the performers and with the Ice Palace. The Ice Palace handled security. I do no recall there being any police presence. The only media coverage was radio. Radio DJs gave us advertising and were allowed to act as MCs. I did no liaison with print. I do remember that the A&R people who handled the Grateful Dead were very sour on Las Vegas because no one had done well there in the years before. It is those folks who normally would have encouraged press coverage. Dick Lepre ...anyway, the search continues with respect to any permits (a legal permit must be obtained for event)

...and I will add one more beautiful woman...

......I only work with facts......

...I will add this e-mail...Dick Lepre Producer of Dead/Santana at Ice Palace in 1969 ... I produced those 2 shows at the Las Vegas Ice Palace: The Grateful Dead/Santana and the Creedence both mentioned in the article I sent. I know nothing about any other shows there. I am not saying they did not happen. I am only saying I know nothing of them. The best source is the guy who wrote that article. I would guess that he knows all the details. http://www.psychedelicart.com/concertposters/concertpostergallery/grateful-dead-santana/ On June 13th, 2007 gmt said: http://www.dead.net/show/march-29-1969 The Ice Palace was an old ice skating rink in a shopping center located on the south side of East Charleston (possibly East Sahara - it's been a long time & I haven't lived in Vegas since 1971) between Maryland Parkway & Eastern. If I recall correctly, there were some other big shows there in 1969, including Led Zeppelin.

... It has been extremely difficult to locate any party who may be familiar with the Original Ice Place...The Record Search Vegas-Police Service...I am in this process now...but this will take time, as documentation must be notarized for a formal process...anyway...just thought I let every know where things stand so far... ....here is a e-mail that I received from UNLV....after contacting every museum, State Library, classic vintage Vegas sites...etc..etc...hopeless so it appears to have some insight into the Original Venue....I have sent both of these contacts e-mail/and phone call...I will update as I receive information... UNLV: Unfortunately we do not have any images of the Ice Palace. You may try and contact the Las Vegas News Bureau. Try Brian Alvarez there at 702-892-0711 or email him at balvarez@lvcva. com. Or you may try and contact UNLV's history professor Jay Coughtry at 702-895-3926. He has recently done research on the Ice Palace. University of Nevada, Las Vegas Special Collection

...Hello everybody....very nice to see all of you... Lena, Deb...both of you are extremely fine, truly

...me too ofcourse...thanks to original poster...

..No she didn't...I think she updated the last of diaries at the back of her original book in 2005...She did say she had telegrams from Page ..on that note, I wonder about the Vegas Telephone Co/Police search...transcripts of telephones/incident reports on those dates, if any from Ice Palace, as you suggest earlier Police search...

..If I follow a pattern, Page always calls her after the shows, ie. when he went to Texas (He states, I will call you tomorrow, etc. (I will post that entry more consistently)...I do agree with you that it is a available date, but she does state on his day off they listened to the Test Press (this has to be August 11) other date being Palamino Brother Show date with Page...(BTW, I should look into that concert date...) Anyhow, she has accounted for most of her time with Page...and this date does not appear in her view in any way...I am sure the very least she would have received a phone call, although I think, Page would have offered a ticket, as he always does to the ladies... The inaccuracy that I find is she writes next day...the event sometime is of day before...

..July 31, 1969 was the only date within the time frame when Page was in transitional relationship between Catherine James and P. Debarres...(He left the first, hasn't met the latter). I have written to James as well, and she so far has not confirmed anything (to save her time, I told her to write back ONLY if she knows any thing about Vegas...she was with Page, as you know...) Miss P., well her account is most knowledgeable...(FYI - James/Debarres were both present in the Venue on July 31, 1969 - James being employee at The Ex...) so far, I have not proved as to where the Band is arriving from...IMO they are arriving, P.M., from somewhere... I would think the Police Dept. Archives would be very helpful, in addition to search we already have in progress...

...yes, likewise, UNLV is very cooperative so far, I will see to it if Las Vegas Court House might have any legally binding contracts available to public of major venues...

Actor Sean Astin, right, is the son of Michael Tell, the editor and publisher of The Las Vegas Israelite. COURTESY PHOTO For local newspaper publisher Michael Tell, this goes beyond any father's wildest fantasy. http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2004/Feb-29-Sun-2004/photos/astin.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2004/Feb-29-Sun-2004/news/23327549.html&usg=__kW6Ygup1XkJ13uPYdbDn0H6Wq38=&h=400&w=297&sz=26&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=cayjhhrKAzrK2M:&tbnh=124&tbnw=92&prev=/images%3Fq%3DSean%2BAstin%2BMichael%2BTell%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26channel%3Ds%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1 oh..just a little more... Tucson Daily Citizen Saturday April 4, 1970 reports the following from newspaperarchives.com search.. ...Hotel Thunderbird Led Zeppelin rock group booked for April 19, 1970 concert at con-vention centre..... (I will acquire membership)

...this was my purpose/alternative to contact UNLV Special Collections/Historic Documents.....If they possibly have any venue records....... ..I have looked into the Doors, they opened Nov. 1, 1969 at Ice Palace... It is mentioned by one of the groups members in the fanviews that "we opened for Alice Cooper" the same night we did for Doors...I looked into this, Alice Cooper does not appear to be in Convention Centre/Vega same night as Doors...(sorry, I don't have the date now)...

..I am also reviewing some attendees recollections posted herein..will update likewise... For now...I suppose if Iron's concerts can be looked into that would be helpful I suppose...I have sent email so far... I have the Las Vesgas orginal email/contact Staff for reference....

..I didn't mean to cause any distress, but it is what it is...I have sent e-mail to fan of Iron Butterfly who can be contacted for any concerts questions...perhaps that will bring some news..... Update from Las Vegas Library - Reference Staff, Thank you for writing. I coincidentally asked a friend if he knew anything, and it turns out he was the bass player/vocalist for Wolfticket which opened the show. He thinks the information on the ledzeppelin.com site is accurate. We are only able to check the archives close to the date you provided. Since these are microfilm records and they are not indexed, we do not have the capability to conduct a broader search that might have any mention of the band. You may be able to contact a fan in the area who could come into the library and conduct a more exhaustive search. ..... The UNLV Special Collections Staff is much aware of this possible concert as Las Vegas Weekly Reported had already communicated with them about this concert..to no avail....It may take some time for the staff to confirm, as they have various other local Newspaper publications other than the major publications. The Campus Newletter Rebel Yell published in the 60's/70's to present...but they also informed me that if the concert happened in summer the Press did not publish for summer...anyhow, they are more aware of this now than before... (IMO)..In any case, the concert cannot possibly take place in August..that is proven so far, both by Robert Plant phoning the New Musical Express and Pam Debarres, both in book/email confirmation to me recently...

Two archived newspapers related somewhat significant evidence (same news appears in both newspapers) Pacific Stars and Stripes - June 27, 1970, Tokyo, Japan AND Bridgeport Post, Connecticut, June 28, 1970 ...actress Patty Duke borrowed a wedding ring to marry local concert promoter Michael Tell....This is the first marriage for who has brought top rock groups such as the Iron and Led Zeppelin to concert at The Ice Rink.. http://www.newspaperarchive.com/SearchResultsV3.aspx ..so far...I am looking into this newspaper, along with future responses from the archives at UNLV and Las Vegas Library...

...since there is agreement logically, and Steve A. Jones has assisted me...JULY 31, 1969 remains the high probability...I wrote to Miss P. unfortunately she does not remember where The Band was coming from...I have reviewed her entries...it is MOST LIKELY that Page is arriving at Hyatt with Band on July 31 (from somewhere?) ...July 31 (entry)......Jimmy Page is coming to town today... July 28th is extremely remote possibility...travel illogical... Other than this Promoter Mike tell is coming out with book...HE MUST present the Zeppelin Concert taking place in Community at large.....His self-appointed evidence via his associates will not prove the concert happened ...or he saying it was Summer'69 (as some attendees already said it) any way back to the Library Search...waiting... edited for typing...

...I think you have to read the article up top...Jimmy in the article states he go Tiffany Watch LAST WEEKEND in Chicago... The July 31st Schedule to fly is too tight as per previous............

..SAJ..this is highly correct...see my previous post up top..Jimmy says I received Tiffany watch last weekend in Chicago...