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Canadianzepper

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  1. There is some truth in general, to what you say. I've always felt it was him not wanting others to know the magic potion he used in the studio which gave Zeppelin such a rich, ambient sound that added even more to their musicianship. I think Page had always left out a few details, like a great stew recipe that everyone thinks then can make but they never figure out all the ingredients. Regardless, I think about the timing of this and it would be hard to convince me he did this. Zeppelin II they did mainly "on the road" as it were. Different studios, even getting to test songs live, working them out, it was a very hectic time. You could make the argument that maybe some trickery was amiss if Heartbreaker were on Physical Graffiti, I just don't see this being their M.O at the time. Peter Grant and Atlantic Records wanted to milk their success in rapid fashion and who can blame them, with so many bands coming and going. Atlantic had paid them gobs of cash they needed to make some big returns. My guess is this solo was done and Page thought, "well, this is a somewhat sloppy but raw, impossible-to-replicate solo". He probably had a couple of other less impressionable ones and decided, "to hell with it, this one will do". I think Eddie Van Halen was influenced by it, Steve Vai said it was basically the solo in rock that moved him most. So, compared to the insanely clean solos he would lay down on tape, this one just had the proper amount of sludge of a band going 100 miles an hour. I think it's great and would be exactly the kind of solo one might expect from him during this hectic period. It's ironic that I recall reading that Page had doubts about even releasing Zeppelin II, he was not happy with it at the time as a whole. I think the song Living Loving Maid in particular was not really liked by the band. Such an influential album that merged rock with heavy blues, it's impossible to gauge how influential it was and they weren't pleased with it. These standards (much like Hendrix had) are the reason they made such timeless music.
  2. Hah. I was being facetious of course. Put it this way, it's a well orchestrated song, it will just never be one of my favourites.
  3. Plant hits some really high notes in the song. As in The Song Remains The Same, it seems a bit off to me. Even more so when the riff is toned down, unlike TSRTS where Plant was trying to match the rapid fire highly tuned guitar work. As for the lyrics, not to undermine his effort, but I'm guessing it was haphazardly written with him placing more of a focus on hitting a wailing, Moroccan vocal imitation than in reproducing something lyrically memorable. Considering some of Plants writing, some of the best in rock history, with and post-Zeppelin, he can be excused for not always having his A-game. Hah.
  4. The only song on the album I'd always skip, never felt it deserved to be on the album, always viewed it as a filler. Having listened to it again, many years later, I've decided that the song gets the nod to be included. The off beat timing, which somehow they pieced together as tight as they could, the baratone power riff which I never liked, now seems to have a more trance-like and unique quality. JPJ's syntheizer work and most importantly, Bonhams little pitter pattering rhythm, produce enough of a creative invention to be on the album. A reasonable send off at the end by Plant is superior to a precipitous conclusion. Maybe more suited for Zeppelin III, but, it's fair enough for Zeppelin IV. I won't press replay, but, I will at least indulge in it. Thoughts?
  5. Well, from his interviews he intended to speak candidly without reservation about the band. His logic was that doing so would prevent him being sued as he wouldn't be around. The only problem of course is how honest one would be about their own imperfections, especially after so many years have passed and one can look back at a younger time period with a less flattering view. I recall one particular interview Plant was in where the guy quoted something Plant had said when he was younger, Plant was uncomfortable knowing he said this so many years ago and he expressed some embarrassment for saying what he did when he was 20 years old or whatever. He owned up to it, but life is always this way isn't it? One grows wise, more serene and sober. They realize, they were once caught up in the emotion and energy of the moment. Much younger, less independent even. Not even their own man yet.
  6. It's like that long lost girlfriend, all the memories, but it's long over. What they did was captured on tape, thankfully. It cannot be replicated. Once Bonham was gone, even if they found a suitable replacement, that spirit was gone. Had been gone for some time, even as they still created great music. After so long, so many rides, too many life experiences, it was never going to be the same. You can hear a clear difference in the passion even in the songs early compared to later. It gets tiring and you only have so much mojo then it becomes a fun job, but still a job. Sadly (or maybe fortunately), for me at least; the best we have now is watching reaction videos on youtube of a new generation hearing it for the first time. I like watching their reactions, their confusion, their shock that such inspiring music exists. Once in awhile I'll listen to some old live boots and hear something I haven't heard before, but it's clearly all been done. Since I cannot rehear the music again for the first time, it's fun to see others do so. What would be the ultimate gift from the grave would be if Page did as he said he would and releases a tell all book, "the truth" if you will about the band and their experiences. I'd pay top dollar for that book, and I know millions of other would as well.
  7. Probably Coverdale/Page and the Page/Plant No Quarter album and subsequent tour.
  8. It's a a great album with it's own character. I generally only find myself listening to "Since I've Been Loving You" from that album with any frequency, but, the second side with Tangerine and the other acoustic work is a great listen on a rainy day or just relaxing.
  9. This is going to be a long one since I can't sleep. I look at it this way, how do we create music? Deep in the grey matter of the brain a sound sticks and never leaves. Maybe a sound you heard many years ago, could be from a movie, another song or someone just drumming on a table. Your brain might not even remember it entirely as you heard it, but you somehow piece together a similar sound when you are constructing your own riff. Whether it's guitar work, drumming, the tone of ones singing, it is a combination of experience, sometimes classical training, that mystical spark that originated from the heavens, and/or an influence from somewhere. As an example. So many Led Zeppelin stuck in my head when I was kid, I heard the songs before but it they were before my time, so I didn't listen to their music organically as a new band. However, they of course were played often on radio, I just never listened to rock music that often, other than my dads tapes and none of it was Zeppelin. So, the slide and follow through in the song When the Levee Breaks comes to mind. When I started getting into Zeppelin and my buddy told me "this is the album you need to listen to" and he put on the Levee Breaks, it immediately sparked that memory, I knew it was the sound I had always remembered and enjoyed, I just hadn't heard it in years, nor did I know the source. It didn't sound exactly as I remembered it from God knows when as a kid, but I knew without question, it was the song. Same goes for Kashmir, even Whole Lotta Love. Ironically, it wasn't the now famous riff I remembered, but what I could have described as the "airplane sound" (the slide guitar) in the song, and also, I thought Plant was just mumbling indiscernible lyrics, when he was in fact saying "you wanna whole lotta love". Now, for arguments sake, let's say I became a guitarist, completely self taught and not educated on well known guitarists and their work. I could have constructed similar sounds, some from my own magical of creation, others, from those same riffs I heard years earlier. You might listen to my stuff and say, "that sounds like when the Levee Breaks", you could even play it for me and I would remember that source. I suppose, some of their work with the blues, especially Plants lyrics, was a direct carbon copy. Some of it impossible to trace back the source, others, just a rip off. I have to think, when Page in particular, was sitting at home trying to come up with some new material, the spark will strike and he might come up with something similar to a sound he heard in a movie or some other source many years earlier. Might be obscure, might be more well known, but it will conjure up somehow in his brain. Ditto for music he heard when travelling the world. I think of songs like Friends or Four Sticks. They have that Eastern sound to their body. I can't say it's theft, it's just an influence and they expanded and applied it to rock music. Bottom line I suppose, creation is a magical process. We are amazed at not just the technical structure, but more importantly the creativity. Which, in my opinion is never more pronounced then when I hear Pages solos. When he plays without predetermined structure and just let's the notes rip from somewhere in within him, to me they are the best part of their catalog. Since I've Been Loving You, 10 years Gone, Heartbreaker, Dazed and Confused, Stairway to Heaven, on and on, just solo work without proper words to describe. Those solos are just raw God like creations, the likes we have not seen outside of Hendrixs work, which was different, but outstanding in it's own way. Thanks for your time
  10. They certainly have surpassed their longevity. Though in a recent poll of Americans, the greatest rock group was the Beatles, I imagine many new rock fans probably gravitate to Led Zeppelin. Music that will stand the test of time.
  11. No weak points. They are Final Boss. The top level of the game. You need Godmode to beat them and it will end in a draw.
  12. When asked, I deliver Yes, all very talented musicians obviously, but without Pages talent, vision, producing, they would make a great band together, but not the Legend they are. Consider that Plant and Bonham were in the Band of Joy together prior to Zeppelin. Page was just on another planet.
  13. Most controversial? - I'd have to say I assume that in their Prime, like many great talents be they athletes or businessmen, I probably wouldn't have personally enjoyed any of their company save for JPJ who seemed the most grounded (or maybe the best actor). Who knows how well known people are when you really know them, we only vie them from afar and through stories, and much of the negative stories came from the alcohol and youth, but, just from early interviews, they were arrogant, maybe even outright A-Holes. Musically they had earned that Right I suppose and they certainly weren't alone in the industry. - Another somewhat controversial concept is that I think they stole LESS from the Blues than they are accused of. It was due to Plants lazy writing efforts of these blues songs early that caused their bad reputation. Songs like When the Levee Breaks are nothing like the originals, save for lyrics. - Without Page there is no Led Zeppelin. Before, during or even today with the reissues. Everyone agrees nobody could be replaced and still be called Led Zeppelin, I always felt any of the other three could be replaced with lesser talent and they would still be a great band, Page was irreplaceable, without him you had little to nothing. - Grant was the 5th member of the group, a major part of their success, even as he was probably also responsible for much of their bad press and reputation
  14. All of their albums are unique from one another, but HoTH might be the most unique for them musically. It's the one album where if you just heard the instrumentals, and didn't know; you couldn't say for sure it was Jimmy Page. I don't know how to explain it, maybe he used different gear for that album but it's entirely progressive, upscale constructions, with insanely tight timing even by their standards. No blues rock at all on that album, it almost sounds anti-rock, if that were possible. PG is my favourite album, but HoTH really to me showed how broad their talents, creativity and influences were. Of all the stand alone albums they made, it might be it's own genre.
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