The Pagemeister Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 (edited) Selling 77,000 on a whopping 715% increase, Robert Plant and Alison Krauss' "Raising Sand" (Rounder) zooms 69-2 following its album of the year win at the Grammys. The set debuted at No. 2 in late 2007 with 112,000 and has now sold 1.26 million to date. http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/swift-...003942353.story Edited February 18, 2009 by The Pagemeister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexKx Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Kick arse! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richestkind Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 (edited) All things being relative. I don't really think an additional 77,000 immediately after the big Grammy wins by Robert and Alison are all that impressive, true numbers wise. From number 69 in the charts to no. 2 or 3, whatever it is, is quite a leap. Then again, it's still relative. Just four years ago, Ray Charles won a grammy for his collaborative album "Genius loves Company". Grammys boost Ray Charles' album sales in US Reuters Posted online: Thursday, February 24, 2005 at 1626 hours IST LOS ANGELES, February 24: Eight Grammy awards including album of the year helped make Ray Charles' "Genius Loves Company" the hottest CD in U.S. stores this week, up from 15th place in a single week. "Genius" raced up the sales charts after the Grammys showered it with awards including best album, best record of the year and best top vocal album. Nielsen Soundscan, which tracks record sales, says it rose to No. 1 on the Top 200 Album Sales charts for the week ended Feb. 20 with sales of 224,000 units, http://www.expressindia.com/news/fullstory.php?newsid=42314 Granted, his movie Ray had just been awarded some Oscars at that time too, notably for Jamie Foxx as Ray Charles, but the numbers are THREE times the recent numbers for Raising Sand. I'm sure Billboard also includes downloads in their 77,000 tally, but I could be wrong. And that would alter those numbers of course. But the point is too, that people just aren't buying music like they used to and that's sad. Every year there should be MORE sales because of the increase in population, but that's just not happening. I didn't post this to bust anyone's elated bubble, but just to show some stark differences in sales in just FOUR years. Edited February 19, 2009 by richestkind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninelives Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 I think it's impressive - times are different and you can't compare sales the same way as a few years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richestkind Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 I think it's impressive - times are different and you can't compare sales the same way as a few years ago. No, but the point remains. Music sales are down drastically. It IS A SAD STATE. And of course you can compare it. If anything the comparison holds MORE water because we have MORE people today to buy music so it's even MORE pertinent. ALL business relies on MORE sales each year. The music industry notwithstanding. Business is SHEER numbers, other factors include things like taste and preference. But numbers don't lie and that's my point. Don't be blind to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthekingshorses Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 I'm still amazed that they won 5 Grammy's. I think it's great no doubt, but it was still so weird seeing Robert Plant at the Grammy's... winning to boot. So exciting though. I think that was the best Grammy show I've ever seen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninelives Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 No, but the point remains. Music sales are down drastically. It IS A SAD STATE. And of course you can compare it. If anything the comparison holds MORE water because we have MORE people today to buy music so it's even MORE pertinent. ALL business relies on MORE sales each year. The music industry notwithstanding. Business is SHEER numbers, other factors include things like taste and preference. But numbers don't lie and that's my point. Don't be blind to it. Yes music sales are down. I'm well aware of how the industry is and I do know about numbers. I don't need you to tell me about being blind thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richestkind Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Yes music sales are down. I'm well aware of how the industry is and I do know about numbers. I don't need you to tell me about being blind thank you. You made a quick, unresearched post somewhat rebuking my post that I found FACTS for. You just don't like it. That's too bad. I wish it were more too. But obviously by the post you made, you DID need to be informed, because you showed that you weren't aware of business needs and practices. Or else you'd have understood in a way of agreement. My post wasn't opinion, it was LACED with facts. Your post wasn't factual, it was opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninelives Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 You made a quick, unresearched post somewhat rebuking my post that I found FACTS for. You just don't like it. That's too bad. I wish it were more too. But obviously by the post you made, you DID need to be informed, because you showed that you weren't aware of business needs and practices. Or else you'd have understood in a way of agreement. My post wasn't opinion, it was LACED with facts. Your post wasn't factual, it was opinion. I find this post uncalled for - speaking to me like I'm an uniformed child Joel. You know nothing about me. How do you know what I've read/researched or not. Not necessary or deserved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquamarine Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 You made a quick, unresearched post somewhat rebuking my post that I found FACTS for. You just don't like it. That's too bad. I wish it were more too. But obviously by the post you made, you DID need to be informed, because you showed that you weren't aware of business needs and practices. Or else you'd have understood in a way of agreement. My post wasn't opinion, it was LACED with facts. Your post wasn't factual, it was opinion. If only you knew how ironic that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richestkind Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Just some more comparative numbers. Doesn't anyone see that ? How can facts be disputed ? And by the way, I have spent much time in and around the industry and could care less if others know it or not. My message is sound, but it's just another case of shooting the messenger. My posts speak for themselves, can be researched and confirmed. What a bunch of sourpusses, posting one line BORING posts. How bout some substance ? From last years Grammy's, 2008. It all starts with the album sitting at #2, Amy Winehouse's Back to Black, which sold more than 115,300 copies (a 368 percent increase from the previous week's sales), thanks in no small part to the Beehived One's five Grammy wins — including Record and Song of the Year — and her high-profile, live-via-satellite performance. Coming in at #3 is Alicia Keys' As I Am, which has taken up a permanent residence in the top 10 since being released in November, but still saw sales rise by 36 percent (more than 108,800 copies this week) after Keys' two Grammy performances and her win in the Best Female R&B Vocal Performance category. A week after its surprise win, Herbie Hancock's Joni Mitchell tribute "River: The Joni Letters" exploded 967 per cent to 54,000 copies sold. It peaked at No. 5 on the Billboard 200, the jazz legend's best sales week since Nielsen SoundScan began tracking data in 1991. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pagemeister Posted February 19, 2009 Author Share Posted February 19, 2009 Funny thing is that Raising Sand just missed being number 1 on Billboard twice now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richestkind Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Funny thing is that Raising Sand just missed being number 1 on Billboard twice now. So..I'm curious, what do you think of the numbers I posted ? Just curious to see if there are any objective thoughts...not just some emotional downcasts of facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richestkind Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 I love all these one line, well thought out, posts especially when they quote a well defined, detailed post. It's amazing some people have 50% of their posts like that. How 'bout some substance by those who tend to post so VERY LITTLE in a large part of their posts ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dzldoc Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Kick arse! Ditto! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pagemeister Posted February 19, 2009 Author Share Posted February 19, 2009 So..I'm curious, what do you think of the numbers I posted ? I guess there are a number of reasons Ray sold more discs after winning the Grammy. People are increasingly getting their music online. The economy is making it hard for people to spend the cash. Ray Charles is more famous than Robert Plant or Allison Krauss. And his album had the benefit of big name vocalists on the duets. It is impressive that Raising Sand went all the way back up to number 2 when it has been out for a year and a half. And no doubt Plant and Krauss did better sale after the Grammy win then Herbie Hancock did last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richestkind Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 I guess there are a number of reasons Ray sold more discs after winning the Grammy. People are increasingly getting their music online. The economy is making it hard for people to spend the cash. Ray Charles is more famous than Robert Plant or Allison Krauss. And his album had the benefit of big name vocalists on the duets. It is impressive that Raising Sand went all the way back up to number 2 when it has been out for a year and a half. And no doubt Plant and Krauss did better sale after the Grammy win then Herbie Hancock did last year. Good post ! Yeah, many reasons for Ray's numbers for sure. As far as Herbie, his percentage rose higher...900+% compared to Raising Sands 700+ %, but yes, both are large. I'm sure that Billboard number includes downloads too though, whereas the Ray numbers probably didn't as recent as 4 years ago. That's speculation, but could be confirmed quickly if I dealt with it. It is funny how publicity and popularity is so contagious. I'm sure alot of people throughout time, consider the music, but when they win Grammy's they see it as legitimizing an artwork and feel they want to be a part of the bandwagon. And then of course they're others who just get exposed for the first time and truly just love the music for it's own sake, not just because it's on the TOP rack at Walmart or wherever...hmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electrophile Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 I find this post uncalled for - speaking to me like I'm an uniformed child Joel. You know nothing about me. How do you know what I've read/researched or not. Not necessary or deserved. For fuck's sake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquamarine Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 For fuck's sake. Yup, he always gives himself away, especially when someone is disagreeing with his posts that are LACED with FACTS. Just so you know, Joel, your OTHER username has also been identified. I just said that because I would hate to post a one-line post (despite the fact I have zero interest in sales numbers and such). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninelives Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Not that numbers are important to me either, but here's a breakdown of Billboard's charts this week for Raising Sand: Top Rock Albums This week: #1, Last Week: 23, Two Weeks Ago: NA, Weeks on Chart: 35 Top Country Albums This week: #2, Last Week: 10, Two Weeks Ago: 29, Weeks on Chart: 69 Top Digital Albums This week: #4, Last Week: 14, Two Weeks Ago: NA, Weeks on Chart: 9 The Billboard 200 This week: #2, Last Week: 69, Two Weeks Ago: NA, Weeks on Chart: 62 Bubbling Under Hot 100 Singles Please Read The Letter This week: #20, Last Week: NA, Two Weeks Ago: NA, Weeks on Chart: 1 Bubbling Under Hot 100 Singles Rich Woman This week: #18, Last Week: NA, Two Weeks Ago: NA, Weeks on Chart: 1 Tastemakers This week: #2, Last Week: NA, Two Weeks Ago: NA, Weeks on Chart: 20 Billboard Comprehensive Albums This week: #2, Last Week: 70, Two Weeks ago: NA, Weeks on Chart: 52 Top Canadian Albums This week: #8, Last Week: NA, Two Weeks Ago: NA, Weeks on Chart: 7 I hope the charts count for sentences as I didn't know it was a requirement to post more than one line on the boards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquamarine Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Most people can make their point in a line or two anyway--I usually skip lengthy posts larded with statistics and such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninelives Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Most people can make their point in a line or two anyway--I usually skip lengthy posts larded with statistics and such. Exactly - though it shouldn't matter if people say a few words or a lot. It's their choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanie_72 Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 (edited) All things being relative. I don't really think an additional 77,000 immediately after the big Grammy wins by Robert and Alison are all that impressive, true numbers wise. From number 69 in the charts to no. 2 or 3, whatever it is, is quite a leap. Then again, it's still relative. Just four years ago, Ray Charles won a grammy for his collaborative album "Genius loves Company". Grammys boost Ray Charles' album sales in US Reuters Posted online: Thursday, February 24, 2005 at 1626 hours IST LOS ANGELES, February 24: Eight Grammy awards including album of the year helped make Ray Charles' "Genius Loves Company" the hottest CD in U.S. stores this week, up from 15th place in a single week. "Genius" raced up the sales charts after the Grammys showered it with awards including best album, best record of the year and best top vocal album. Nielsen Soundscan, which tracks record sales, says it rose to No. 1 on the Top 200 Album Sales charts for the week ended Feb. 20 with sales of 224,000 units, http://www.expressindia.com/news/fullstory.php?newsid=42314 Granted, his movie Ray had just been awarded some Oscars at that time too, notably for Jamie Foxx as Ray Charles, but the numbers are THREE times the recent numbers for Raising Sand. I'm sure Billboard also includes downloads in their 77,000 tally, but I could be wrong. And that would alter those numbers of course. But the point is too, that people just aren't buying music like they used to and that's sad. Every year there should be MORE sales because of the increase in population, but that's just not happening. I didn't post this to bust anyone's elated bubble, but just to show some stark differences in sales in just FOUR years. Who cares? I am just glad they are getting the recognition they deserve. I don't care if they sold 1 album the last week, I would've still been proud. Just happy others are discovering what beautiful music they have made together. Edited February 19, 2009 by Melanie_72 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackandGold Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Just some more comparative numbers. Doesn't anyone see that ? How can facts be disputed ? And by the way, I have spent much time in and around the industry and could care less if others know it or not. My message is sound, but it's just another case of shooting the messenger. My posts speak for themselves, can be researched and confirmed. What a bunch of sourpusses, posting one line BORING posts. How bout some substance ? From last years Grammy's, 2008. It all starts with the album sitting at #2, Amy Winehouse's Back to Black, which sold more than 115,300 copies (a 368 percent increase from the previous week's sales), thanks in no small part to the Beehived One's five Grammy wins — including Record and Song of the Year — and her high-profile, live-via-satellite performance. Coming in at #3 is Alicia Keys' As I Am, which has taken up a permanent residence in the top 10 since being released in November, but still saw sales rise by 36 percent (more than 108,800 copies this week) after Keys' two Grammy performances and her win in the Best Female R&B Vocal Performance category. A week after its surprise win, Herbie Hancock's Joni Mitchell tribute "River: The Joni Letters" exploded 967 per cent to 54,000 copies sold. It peaked at No. 5 on the Billboard 200, the jazz legend's best sales week since Nielsen SoundScan began tracking data in 1991. To quote James Carville "It's the economy, stupid!" Since you want some numbers how about the 2.6 million jobs lost in 2008 in the U.S.? I'm guessing those 2.6 million aren't rushing out to buy a cd, regardless of how much they like it or how many grammys were won. 11.1 million areunemployed, or how about the 8 million that are under-employed - a record 13.5%. Again these are U.S. numbers and thought to be understated. Agreed the music industry is in trouble, but so is just about everything else. I am impressed that 77,000 people went out and bought what amounts to a luxury item in the midst of extremely difficult economic times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxie Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Who cares? I am just glad they are getting the recognition they deserve. I don't care if they sold 1 album the last week, I would've still been proud. Just happy others are discovering what beautiful music they have made together. Agreed. The Monday after the Grammys I had 3 different people asking me about the 'Raising Sand' album since they knew I was an RP fan. That never would have happened before the show no matter how hard I had tried to convince them last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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