Haha, okay! We’re Gonna Groove, I Can’t Quit You, Dazed and Confused, Heartbreaker, Living Loving Maid, White Summer / Black Mountain Side, Since I’ve Been Loving You, organ solo, Thank You, What Is and What Should Never Be, Moby Dick, How Many More Times, Whole Lotta Love. For example?

That's my take. It certainly isn't a difficult song. Although YTIGC was revisited when Jimmy played with the Black Crowes. I think what it really boils down to is that they were forging ahead like the proverbiale steamtrain, and like many songs dropped off while new stuff was constantly being added to the set, they simply didn't find it relevant. I mean, listen to those recordings from the time. I can't see where it would have fit.

And we do to!

Yes, and I posted a bit of timeline that I hoped might be helpful. Wasn't trying to be snarky. Beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder, nothing more.

Well, you're talking songs from another era when you go from LLM to Darlene or Hot Dog. Those songs were examples of the bands humorous side that were recorded long after they'd become the biggest act of the 70s. After Oakland '77. After Plant's child died. After the dark time when no one knew if Robert would return to the band. So yeah, there was a lighter, sillier side in the studio during that time. It was therapy at that point. You can't compare that to a song from the 60s that Jimmy perhaps felt was a little too pop, and no quite what he wanted to continue with. Besides, I like Darlene. Great Bonzo beat. And well, my band has been playing Hot Dog for 18 years. A personal fave of ours. Oh well. Like you said, "no accounting for taste". Even from the fans. To each their own. Peace.

Wow Honey (I mean Eternal Light), magnificent job of editing all of your posts in an attempt to make me seem like I'm arguing with myself for no reason. Kudos. Well done. So you said nothing? Just taking up bandwidth with nothing to say? Big, empty posts. Just dots. Just hit "enter" by mistake, did you? Half a dozen times? How little things change. At least I speak my mind and stand behind what I say (and acknowledge when I'm wrong).

I just copied that from a lyrics board. I always though it was "servants three" too! Like in Old King Cole's "Fiddlers three". Hmm, Cole. I smell a mystery!

In what way? "Hmm, not a big fan of it". Yeah, that's an eye opening perspective. Real in depth stuff you've latched onto there. Well read. That must be why they never played it live. Because someone born in 1986 isn't a big fan. You're spot on tonight. BTW, no offense to you BloodyXXX. It's just that Eternal Light's thought process vexes me.

And how exactly does this post contribute to the discussion (the thread is about Living Loving Maid afterall)? Jeez, Honey. Can't you entertain a new thought for once? You know, an exchange of ideas with the purpose of arriving at some sort of discovery or revealing. Here I sit, prefacing my ideas with the clear disclaimer that it's only an idea I had, and you railroad through with blanket statements of your opinions as if they're concrete facts. As always. Anyway, thanks for your clarification. Afterall you did see them in 1969, so I defer to your well-earned infallability. Nothing like a ticket stub to prove you know the inner minds of a rock band. Oh and BTW, if "I ain't gonna be your low down dog no more says it all", why aren't those words to be found in the song? Too simple I guess. Go figure. Besides, we're talking (again) about LLM, and how it relates to Heartbreaker. Your assertion is empty in the context of the discussion.

You're missing the point. The "Living Loving" part is her interpretation of herself. That's why "She's just a woman" is tagged onto the song title in parenthesis. That's the reality side. See how the irony works? Again, that's why the songs are attached. See, the idea is, if you spend your days as a Heartbreaker, your future will be: With a purple umbrella and a fifty cent hat, Livin', lovin', she's just a woman. Missus cool rides out in her aged Cadillac. Livin', lovin', she's just a woman. Come on, babe on the round about, Ride on the merry-go-round, We all know what your name is, So you better lay your money down. Alimony, alimony payin' your bills, Livin', lovin', she's just a woman. When your conscience hits, you knock it back with pills. Livin', lovin', she's just a woman. Tellin' tall tales of how it used to be, Livin', lovin', she's just a woman. With the butler and the maid and the servantry. Livin', lovin', she's just a woman, Oh, you got it. Nobody hears a single word you say. Livin', lovin', she's just a woman. But you keep on talkin' till your dyin' day. Livin', lovin', she's just a woman. Livin', Lovin', She's just a woman See what I mean?

LLM is chapter two of Heartbreaker. Why do you think there's no pause between them on the album? Because they're connected. Heartbreaker: Annie's back in town. Fellas lay their money down. LLM: We all know what your name is (Annie), so ya better lay your money down. She breaks Robert's heart "a thousand times can't take your evil ways. Go away Heartbreaker" and he kicks her to the curb. Fast forward. Now she's "just a woman", a cheating woman clinging to the past and trying to act as if her past is something more than it really was. "Telling tall tales". It's just a theory I came up with. It's never been said in any interview I've read, and I could be totally wrong, but it fits.

Oh don't be such a spoiled sport. Different people have differing interpretations, just like with the so-called backmasking. Another fact, if it helps, is that he changed it live. I think I made that point earlier. Just like "Oh my Jesus" became "Oh Georgina" in In My Time of Dying during the '75 tour. The truth is that you're not going to get a definitive answer as even Robert himself claims he doesn't remember. Several people of note have made suggestions that are the best they can come up with. No, it is not what was printed on the sleeve. I was never among those who thought it was. It was stated before that the words were jumbled during the production of the cover. Robert said as much to a friend of mine. The bottom line is that no one really knows with all certainty. It's a fluid discussion. So it's up to you whether you're "wasting your time here". There have been some good suggestions here. Take from them as you please. Personally, I don't buy "Hellhounds". The Old Norse "Heilla" means to invoke spirits, which to me perfectly dovetails with both the spirit of the song, the Zeppelin mystique, and the Houses of the Holy theme. "High Heilla Ball". That works for me on all levels, including the headphones. Or maybe he just smoked a joint and mumbled it. I believe I said that in an earlier post. Sorry you didn't find it helpful.

Yeah, backup. He ran through a single Marshall, with a second for reinforcement. The other amp onstage was the Orange Mat Amp which was solely there for the theremin. It's funny how things have changed, yet not changed. I went to Rush last week, and since Geddy's newer rig relies on his in-ear audio and runs throught the PA. he has no onstage backline. So to fill the "required" space, he has three 6-foot tall rotisseries full of chickens! He even has a roadie come out and check their tempurature during the course of the show!

It seems a lost art in the age of "amp modelling" and such. Trust me friends, after 30+ years of chasing the "Page" sound, it's mostly in your hands. I can get an amazing TSRTS Rain Song out of my Strat through a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe. Everybody jumps on the KT88 modded Marshalls. What stadium are you playing? Seriously! 50 watts is more than enough! I can find a "Jimmy" tone in virtually any amp I plug into. While Jimmy did pick and choose in the studio, he had a plain old Marshall backline live. It's all in the hands. It really is. My friend's son got one of those "Everything in one box" packages for like $200. Stick a mic to the speaker and guess what? Got a sweet sound. All I can say is, lay off the gain! Jimmy played clean. Mind your fingers. That's where it happens.

Seeing as you haven't posted in this thread for 6 days, um, thanks for letting us know you're going. Kiss kiss.

A well known quote, but I think the pics from the books it came from answer the question. Funny how this keeps going on when the answer is "Look, there it is!" and already posted twice in the thread. Why go on supposing rather than discussing it's already established meaning? Beats the hell out of me. I keep coming back to this thread hoping for meaningful dialogue, and all I see is "Oh, I heard this..." The bloody thing's already been solved. Why not go from there instead of backwards? Thelema. Ritual magick. Personal sigils for focus during meditation. Anybody? PS, no offence, but as someone who has studied these books and understands the concepts, it's a bit frustrating that no one out of the thousands here seem interested in moving forward in the discussion other than perpetuating a mystery that's already been solved. Peace. Ev

Well, if one wishes upon the star (tongue in cheek), it's a 6-sided star. Or two inverted pyramids. While many may jump on the star of David, the Mogen David, the Jewish star, it's also the star (or seal) of Solomon, the key to the Kabballah, which in turn anchors Crowley's mysticism. And around we go!

Nah, it just wasn't what he envisioned. With the albums that followed you can be sure he wasn't gonna let that happen again. That's why HOTH's release was delayed for weeks. He wanted the colors to be perfect. A funny anecdote about album covers. When Zep was doing Presence, they hired Hipgnosis to do the cover. They were the firm that did Pink Floyd's most memorable covers. Anyway, Storm Thorgeson (the designer), walks into Swan Song and presents his vision. It's a tennis court. He looks at Jimmy and says "Racket. Get it?". Jimmy was incensed! "Racket??". Our music is "Racket??". "GET OUT!!!". Storm came back with "Zeppelin's music has this presence". Blah blah. Hence the Presence cover with the obelisk. Funny shit! But hey, Storm rescued the commission!

Funny thing is, I only have one lithograph of a Zeppelin cover on my wall. Guess which one! Signed #333 by Zacron: Sorry Jimmy!

Yeah, Jimmy envisioned something like a harvester's crop wheel that shows dates for planting, sowing, reaping and such. What he got was a bunch of psychedelic fluff with "bits of corn". He wanted something much more earthy and organic. It's his least favorite cover. As for the "Hermit", I have a 5 foot tall print of it in my living room. Beats the heck out of taking a magnifying glass to a cd sleeve!

Yeah, a peak in the hood that shouldn't be there. But like so many mysteries, you have to want to see it. Judge for yourself. I would never endorse Thomas Friend's book Fallen Angel, but he reads all sorts of shit into that cover. E.G. the man with the sticks is carrying the "faggots". The "four sticks" that represent Satan's four musical minions who are here to corrupt our minds with their music to do his bidding. Umm, okay. He also claims Jimmy telepathically reached into his mind with the theremin and tried to take him over. One born every day. Here's to my sweet Satan. Yawn. I think I just heard the Loch Ness Monster chuckle. Nessy was Crowley's pet you know! He used to feed it live human babies. And I'm Carol Burnett. *tugs earlobe*

I was of the understanding that Jimmy found the typeface in a book, rather than having it commissioned. As for the picture, I don't think it need be a mystery. Perhaps Jimmy just liked it. Afterall, look at the third album. He hated that artwork. "one of England's most prominent occult figures" As one of the most prominent, why does anybody not know his name? Pesonally I just see a desire for a mystery and not a lot of substance. Furthermore, have you seen any of Jimmy's artwork? It's abstract. Nothing like the Colby art. Not that I don't think him capable, I just have doubts. And since we've decided the Hermit has horns, is he also standing on a dove? Discuss.

I think in the discussion we had with Otto last year, that this is where we arrived. It's been corroborated that it was misprinted on the album sleeve, so we can let that go. As for live referneces, just look at IMTOD. Sometimes it's Oh my Jesus, sometimes Oh Georgina, and over time many other permutations. Afterall, referncing a boot from 1975, I highly doubt Plant would be telling Jesus to go "lick your pussy yeah", but he nonetheless tossed that in. I believe that would have been for Georgina (or a girl in the front row he spied). Regardless, Robert was always fluid, and who knows what was going through his mind on any given day. In the end, I'm more inclined to go with Norse mythology, particularly during that time. Robert Johnson notwithstanding, IMO, it just doesn't fit the spirit of the song. Why call out hellhounds when celebrating the "ocean" of fans in the houses of the holy? I'll go with celebration and the invoking of good spirits. The Ocean is not a blues.

Hi Gina! Yeah, I never though it was anything sinister either. However I am waithing for people to start jumping on the book and saying "Ah ha!", because it is afterall The Red Dragon aka: The Grand Grimoire, possibly the most evil book in existence (depending on your point of view). But let's face it, just cause you find a magick book in someone's collection doesn't mean you actually use it!

The store was called Equinox, and I posted the book on the previous page.