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  1. Yes it's pretty ridiculous. He can't even give an example why Bonzo was "so" bad technically. If you can't prove your point, don't state it as a fact. Simple as that. It's a personal opinion and he was proven wrong by many guys who have more knowledge about drumming than he (and I'm not even talking about myself here).
  2. This is in a way a silly comment. So all classical music is superior to rock because the music is more demanding, technical and complex? Not just classical, but even country guys can play circles around rock guitar players. Bonham was the best at what he did. Even in techincal aspects he was as good as it gets. He was not taught by a teacher and didn't have all the possibilities of today. No videos for free nonstop, hell not even video tapes to slow down. And how do you know what Bonham was able to play? Maybe he would've kicked Cobhams ass if he tried jazz instead of rock? Or Buddy Rich? Vinnie Colaiuta? We simply don't know. A rock drummer playing this beat was kinda unusual and showed that Bonham was able to learn complex beats and I'm sure he learned it by ear. And yes, the halftime shuffle is complex, even if it sounds simple. I don't know how much you really know about drumming. Reading drummer boards doesn't make you a good judge. Just saying. If you prefer Thomas Lang or Jojo Mayer kinda drummers so be it. Even those technical guys have huge amounts of respect for Bonzo and his beats. Neither can play it the same way as Bonzo though. Each to their own, but you make your statements kinda invalid if you call everyone who appreciates Bonzos drumming as "fanboys".
  3. Yes true, it's not perfect. The problem with Jimmy there is that he left out certain parts. Maybe he was too high. But if you don't play a note, you can't miss it I was more focused on sloppy notes and unclean playing.
  4. My unpopular opinion about the band is: I think Jimmy is a bit overrated as a guitar player. And I also think Plant was a medicore singer in the 70's, compared to guys like Ian Gillan or Ronnie James Dio. I think while both Plant and Page get most of the praise for Led Zep, they were much too inconsistent to deserve all the praise, especially in concert. JPJ and Bonzo were on a higher level from a musicans perspective.
  5. I agree that Bonzo's fills sometimes threw the whole band off. Some fills ended out of time. However, your statement regarding Bonham is really ridiculous. Bonzo is up there with the best. He was no Dave Weckl or Vinnie Colaiuta and he never intented to be. But the ideas he came up with, the grooves, the feeling, the whole concept of rock drumming with his swing feel is flat out amazing. You can easily see how amazing he was when you listen to others covering his work. I've heard so many LZ tribute bands, I've seen top drummers playing covers of his grooves. Not ONCE has anyone come even close to Bonhams sound, feel and groove. It's the opposite with Jimmy: I've seen many great covers of his work. Bonham is the reason why I love Led Zep.
  6. I've listened to the video: So my nitpick for the outro refers to the timing of the video: The part starting at 5:39 sounds out of tune. Could also be because Page playing a bit unclean there. At 9:12 he picks the wrong note. At 9:17 he plays the chord sloppy. At 9:20 he misses a note and the chord sounds unclean. Compare that part to the one from Earls Court 24th, as starting here at 7:49, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjfx4TqHVIA The EC version is played perfectly with much better phrasing, while the Knebworth version is really sloppy at times. It's not even a contest which version, from a guitar players perspective, is played better. Knebworth version is ok for that period of Page's playing, but I wouldn't rate it "A".
  7. Not sure what you talking about. The guitar is out of tune here and Page is missing many notes. An "A" would be the TRSTS version of this. This is at best a "B" Version because Page is simply missing too many notes.
  8. Are you sure you heard the right version? The version from the 4th is pretty crappy. Page 's playing is really crap and as sloppy as it gets. Sounds like a drunk local beginner. The version one week later is much better, starting with the beginning riff and the overall band playing (especially JPJ is better there). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iucKF9ly60A
  9. He was handed an acoustic guitar in a tv show and didn't know what to do with it. I think it was a tv show /interview, unless I'm mixing things up.
  10. I've given up hope that Jimmy will play another full length concert in his life. I very much doubt that he has touched a guitar for any other reason than a photo shooting in the last 3-4 years. Remember the TV show incident? I'm not sure how long ago that was. For me that was the confirmation that Page hasn't played, let alone practiced, on a regular basis for years
  11. "I'll be seen playing live next year " 🤪
  12. That version of Child in Time was really something else! Ritchie at his best. Much better than the studio version. Hadn't listened to it in a long time.
  13. Nothing wrong with taste. You should give "Rainbow" a try then. Not so much organ. Start with "Live on Stage", since you seem to like improvisations. Or check out this concert (nice intro by Blackmore (Greensleves and Bach's Brandenburg concerto)
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