euro Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 Led Zeppelin Reunion Posted On Web; Who Should We Sue? Posted by Alexander Wolfe, Dec 12, 2007 09:40 AM » E-Mail » http://informationweek.com/blog/main/archi...eppelin_re.html The litigious environment surrounding alleged copyright violation has spun completely out of control. The latest from the RIAA is that you're a criminal if you rip your own CDs. Porn producers are suing YouTube knockoffs for illegally posting their copyrighted, X-rated content. And now, clips from Led Zeppelin's London reunion show are popping up on the Web. I mention the Zep postings (see the two embedded YouTube clips below) because they highlight the inability of any content creator to successfully enforce their copyrights. True, the clips are of poor quality, as are the performances, as best as I can tell. But that was always Zeppelin's problem; they were a terrible live band, as their boring movie, "The Song Remains The Same" showcases for all to see. And I say that as a person who likes their records, and listens to them far more than I care to admit (discs one through five, anyway.) But enough with the critical musings. My point is that intellectual-property rights are the Internet's elephant in the room. No one has figured out a way to successfully enforce what are essentially a content owner's property rights. This is fascinating, because property rights are pretty much the basis of Western society. Add on top of that the big paradox that the Web's biggest winners are those who've figured out how to game the intellectual-property system -- by aggregating or "excerpting" content created by others, and making money off of it via ads -- and you've got the upside-down online universe we're all living in today. As a content creator myself, I support IP rights. Just because the RIAA comes across like the Big Bad Wolf in its ham-fisted efforts to prevent copyright abuse doesn't mean it's not in the right. True, the record industry would be more effective in its fight if it did a better job of picking its battle. Trust me, kids are not dissuaded from using LimeWire because the RIAA won $220,000 from some Minnesota mom. On the other hand, I have no idea how they're supposed to preserve a dying industry. Heck, my industry is in the midst of its own troubles, what with unpaid writers edging out folks who do this stuff for a living. And that's just for starters. Despite the lack of clarity on where we're headed, I think we've at least reached the point where we can retire the simplistic argument that's been the mantra for the anti-IP crowd for the last decade. Namely, the Web wants to be free and content creators should all just get over it. No, thank you; I prefer to remain steamed. Fortunately for Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, and John Paul Jones, they've got enough money that a little illicit posting isn't a problem. Here now are the clips; see if they don't leave you underwhelmed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trashbag Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artur Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 Who is this guy? HE SUCKS!!! :D :D :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wep363 Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 I can remember when the Press Hated Led Zeppelin. I once read a review of the 4th album that was very critical and really laid into Stairway. They sure going that one wrong. Poor reviews never stopped use from buying the albums and going to concerts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euro Posted December 15, 2007 Author Share Posted December 15, 2007 I can remember when the Press Hated Led Zeppelin. I once read a review of the 4th album that was very critical and really laid into Stairway. They sure going that one wrong. Poor reviews never stopped use from buying the albums and going to concerts! The guy is talking about copyright then he becomes an armchair music critic as an aside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZosoZosoZosoZoso Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 I'm posting revenge videos of me getting it on with his daughter, wonder what kind of reviews he'll give that one. Perhaps he'll be "underwhelmed" ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wep363 Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 The guy is talking about copyright then he becomes an armchair music critic as an aside His quote about the movie, soundtrack, DVD tsrts was laughable. How many million have been made off the concert? three day concert... LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeppelinRocks2007 Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 Who should we "sue"? I think Led Zeppelin should sue the guy that wrote that stupid article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seirios Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 Who should we "sue"? I think Led Zeppelin should sue the guy that wrote that stupid article. Right. And also, they should pass a universal law that anyone who dare have a bad opinion about Led Zeppelin, the individual musicians, their music or whatever related to them, should be locked up. How dare they think different?? give the guy a break, there are some far worse than him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarmy Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 apparently the guys sucks so much at writing that he has to get our attention by claiming Led Zeppelin was "a terrible live band". So subjective, and dependent on his opinion and he didn't even try to back it up with anyone else's opinion but his own. Some writers at least have the common decency to yank the chain of the readers by trying to supplement their opinion with evidence. All he can do it just state it. haha what a terrible writer. What audience is he writing for? Pink Floyd fans? ... It looks to me like he is employing a tactic to generate the most response to his blog. A lot of radio hosts do this intentionally. They will make some sort of comment that gets people to call into their show. This guy is doing the same thing, only with a blog. Don't fall into his trap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeppelinRocks2007 Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 Right. And also, they should pass a universal law that anyone who dare have a bad opinion about Led Zeppelin, the individual musicians, their music or whatever related to them, should be locked up. How dare they think different?? give the guy a break, there are some far worse than him... The guy that wrote that article can always get sued for a defamation and slander lawsuit and that's exactly what that guy did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euro Posted December 16, 2007 Author Share Posted December 16, 2007 The guy that wrote that article can always get sued for a defamation and slander lawsuit and that's exactly what that guy did. To express an opinion regarding art,no matter how absurd, is not defamation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 Led Zeppelin Reunion Posted On Web; Who Should We Sue? Posted by Alexander Wolfe, Dec 12, 2007 09:40 AM » E-Mail As a content creator myself Passage should have read "as a crap creator myself" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euro Posted December 16, 2007 Author Share Posted December 16, 2007 Passage should have read "as a crap creator myself" Steve you finally made me laugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarmy Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 To express an opinion regarding art,no matter how absurd, is not defamation. oh yeah he certainly has the right to say whatever he wants. and I have the right to complain about his lack of evidence for his opinion. The right to say something is not the same as the reason for saying something. He has the right to say bad things about Led Zeppelin, but when he doesn't back it up with a reason, he's not proving anything except that he doesn't know how to make a valid argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 Steve you finally made me laugh I scan the coliseum crowd looking for those who are obviously not entertained. Then I strike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seirios Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 To express an opinion regarding art,no matter how absurd, is not defamation. Exactly. Besides, the guy states that he likes Zeppelin, as far as their studio recordings go. He just hasn't got the guts for the real thing, the sissy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooner Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 Silly nonsense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Flight Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 What audience is he writing for? Pink Floyd fans? What does Floyd or their fans have to do with this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarmy Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 What does Floyd or their fans have to do with this? I was trying to think of an example of one audience that may share his opinion, and making the statement that he was catering to that opinion. Perhaps I failed in your case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seirios Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 I was trying to think of an example of one audience that may share his opinion, and making the statement that he was catering to that opinion. Perhaps I failed in your case? You would have surely failed in anyone's case. I don't think that any computation based on that article could lead anyone to ANY conclusion as to what fan-base would share the author's opinion. Mind your words, would you please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Flight Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 I was trying to think of an example of one audience that may share his opinion, and making the statement that he was catering to that opinion. Perhaps I failed in your case? Yes I think so. I am very active in the Floyd community and have never come across an anti Zeppelin sentiment from Floyd fans. In fact I find the exact opposite to be true. I have no idea where you came up with that idea, but I think you are way off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarmy Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 You would have surely failed in anyone's case. I don't think that any computation based on that article could lead anyone to ANY conclusion as to what fan-base would share the author's opinion. Mind your words, would you please. ok maybe I should have said "what audience is he writing for? the "anti-Led Zeppelin group"? but you see, that's too general and it's not funny anymore. but it illustrates my point a little better in case you didn't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euro Posted December 16, 2007 Author Share Posted December 16, 2007 ok maybe I should have said "what audience is he writing for? the "anti-Led Zeppelin group"? but you see, that's too general and it's not funny anymore. but it illustrates my point a little better in case you didn't get it. The guy was commenting about concert he did not even attend-that is type of audience he was writing for. Similar, to someone who judges a book without reading it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarmy Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 Yes I think so. I am very active in the Floyd community and have never come across an anti Zeppelin sentiment from Floyd fans. In fact I find the exact opposite to be true. I have no idea where you came up with that idea, but I think you are way off. You may be on to something because I certainly don't like Pink Floyd. It looks like I made the mistake of assuming there were members of the Pink Floyd community that felt the same way. I'm sorry about that. If you'll read my post above, you'll see my intended meaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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