Guest WD52 Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 There are a number of boots where Page, Plant or Bonham (or sometimes combinations thereof!) have an indifferent night. I can't think of JPJ ever having an off night on any of the live stuff I have. Are there any gigs where he had an 'off' night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellyGirl Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Good question. Someone else can answer this better than I could, but I want to say there's a Kashmir from one of the L A forum shows in '77 where Jones muddles up something on the keys. Plant has to adlib with some extra "Ooohs and Ahhs, hip shakes and hair flips, while the band sounds like their doing some kind of weird 80's keyboard dance beat for a minute or so, before they get back on track. I'm sure there could be other times, but it's hard to pick 'em with Jones as he in my opinion didn't often put himself in a position to fudge up live like say our dear Jimmy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duckman Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Hard pushed I 'm inclined to point out some segments of live on Blueberry Hill 1970 show. I think his Farifisa organ solo prior to Thank you sucks big time and his impromtu bass solo during the Communication Breakdown medley is also rather shakey. Somehow his otherwise unsurpassed solid groove was a tad less spot on during that night. But I'm splitting hairs here...Jonesy was solid During 99,9% of Zep's lifespan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Exactly, Kelly Girl. Yes, listen to some of the No Quarter piano solos. There are fudged notes, just like Jimmy would on guitar. JPJ is human after all. His part just isn't always as obvious as Jimmy or Bonzo. There are a number of Kashmir's where the band gets lost, whose mix up was it? Different times, different person.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WD52 Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 I think JPJ's part isn't as obvious as the other two because he stays on it nearly every gig. It would soon become obvious if the bass playing fell away, keyboards went wrong, or any of his multi necked instruments were played badly. He is the heart of the live performances and holds everything together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Some would say he had an off (key) night, every night they performed The Battle of Evermore with him singing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithril46 Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 This is pretty interesting because although I don't own 50% of all live shows I do have probably have like 30% and overall I would say there is no very noticeable consistently bad performance like with Jimmy. As others have posted there were some Kashmir troubles , and certainly many of the piano/organ solos of 77' and even from much earlier Jones sometimes went on for far too long(pretty stoned, possibly ??) with ideas and themes or classical nuggets that were not always well integrated or evenly executed. But so what, playing with the band he was rock steady and never sounded like he was punching a clock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellyGirl Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 4 hours ago, Walter said: Some would say he had an off (key) night, every night they performed The Battle of Evermore with him singing. Haha yes, or the "off" night/s he chose to wear that ridiculous wig in T S R T S film. And I think it was an off night when he had the stage gear with what looked like onions on the shoulders? Wasn't it Plant who called them onions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Only Way To Fly Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 What about the night he started the fire in New Orleans? - Kissed the whiskers left and right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutrocker Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Technical difficulties that were beyond Jonesy's control aside (malfunctioning Mellotrons, amps, etc) he never really did have an 'off night', certainly not ever to the same degree that Page, Bonham or even Plant would. If anything, JPJ would be having an off night at gigs where the whole band was off- usually as a case of being distracted by rowdy audiences, that kinda thing. Louisville '77 comes to mind as an example of that; off the top of my head Jones gets a little sloppy during "In My Time Of Dying" and loses his place during "No Quarter" when, immediately after the band finishes the "Nutrocker" section he immediately jumps back on the Fender Rhodes and starts in with the main theme for the second verse forgetting Page still had his guitar solo to play But generally speaking John Paul Jones was -and remains- steady as a fucking rock, which was a particular necessity in Zeppelin's later days, especially in 1980 when JPJ was almost completely carrying the band some nights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazedjeffy Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 Listen to JPJ's performance on Good Times Bad Times on the O2 rehearsal DVD. Yee-ow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WD52 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 So I guess the answer is, no he never had an off night just a very rare mistake in solitary songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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