Michael Fry Posted December 29, 2023 Share Posted December 29, 2023 The Alternate Song Remains The Same: Did this just for a bit of holiday fun. Meant to do it ages ago and finally found the time! The link is over at Guitars101 and easy to find but feel free to PM for a link if you fancy a new(ish!) listening experience. 01 Rock And Roll (28-7-73) 02 Celebration Day (28-7-73) 03 Bring It On Home - Black Dog (29-7-73) 04 Over The Hills And Far Away (29-7-73) 05 Misty Mountain Hop (28-7-73) 06 Since I've Been Loving You (28-7-73) 07 No Quarter (29-7-73) 08 The Song Remains The Same (29-7-73) 09 The Rain Song (29-7-73) 10 Dazed And Confused (28-7-73) 11 Stairway To Heaven (28-7-73) 12 Moby Dick (27-7-73) 13 Heartbreaker (29-7-73) 14 Whole Lotta Love (29-7-73) 15 The Ocean (29-7-73) A word of explanation (Apologies if most of it is teaching granny how to suck eggs for you lot!) This compilation serves as a companion volume to the re-edit of The Song Remains The Same I made in 2020. I created that because I find the 2007 reissue an extremely frustrating listen, despite having great love for the original album (probably my favourite ever live album). It unfortunately uses some performances and clumsy edits that were chosen purely to match the visuals of the film rather than using the superior performances chosen for the original album. While I never find myself wanting to listen to the reissue, I often want to listen to a more complete version of the original album, hence my 2020 re-edit. However, this new alternate version recognises that there were many other great performances during the 3 nights at Madison Square Garden that were perhaps used in the film but not the album or that were only used as edits and for fixing mistakes, or that weren't used at all. The fantastic Garden Tapes website goes into mind-bending detail of how each song was constructed for the film, album and 2007 reissue and I have summarised this research in the info below by firstly stating the night that was used as the main source and then any other nights used for major edits. This was so I could ensure the new alternate album presented a complete show made from Madison Square Garden performances that were either completely unused for the official film and album or were only partially used as an edit. The exceptions to this are: 1) Celebration Day which is the same performance that can be found as an extra on the 2007 DVD reissue as it contains a different guitar solo to the one found on the original album and 2) Bring It On Home as I didn't want to split this from the Black Dog performance I chose which is the one from the film but complete and unedited. (Even the CD reissue inexplicably uses the edited version!) Some choices weren't really choices at all as unfortunately the 1st part of the 27th has never been bootlegged and the soundboards are all incomplete. I was determined not to use any audience recordings for this so there were a couple of alternate performances I couldn't use. My only source is Empress Valley's 18CD Garden Tapes Box Set but I have fixed just a few things. I've tidied up a timing issue in Dazed And Confused towards the end, removed the very brief audience source from No Quarter but made the cut as seamless as possible, fixed a couple of bars of wrong notes in The Rain Song, No Quarter and Heartbreaker and replaced the audience source that EVSD used to complete Bonzo's Ocean count-in with his hilarious count-in from the 28th soundboard. There are some absolute treats here for those of you who only know the album and the film. If Jimmy Page had treated us to a proper multi-disc box set back in 2018, this is what I would have loved to have seen as discs 4, 5 and 6 alongside a 3 disc expanded version of the original album similar to my 2020 re-edit. Every now and then you'll recognise a snippet that was used as an edit piece for the official releases (and you can verify that using the info below and The Garden Tapes website) but as a complete listening experience it should be quite unique and almost equal to the versions we know and love. By the way, hats off to anyone who can EQ the 28th and 29th soundboards to sound the same. I know the difference in guitar sound between the end of Celebration Day and Bring It On Home riff is rather obvious. Feedback welcome! Performances used in the original film and reissue Rock And Roll: 27 Celebration Day: 28 (DVD extra) Bring It On Home: 29 Black Dog (version 1): 29 - edited Black Dog (version 2): 28 - complete (2003 DVD) Over The Hills And Far Away: 28 (DVD extra) Misty Mountain Hop: 27 + 28 for middle min (DVD extra) Since I've Been Loving You: 29 main + 27 No Quarter: 28 for solo to end + 27 for 1st 3 mins The Song Remains The Same: 28 The Rain Song: 28 Dazed And Confused: 27 + 28 for 3rd verse + 29 for ending Stairway To Heaven: 27 + 28 for vocal end Moby Dick: 27 - edited + 28 for 1st 2 mins of drum solo Heartbreaker: 27 Whole Lotta Love: 27 The Ocean: 27 + 29 for guitar solo + coda (DVD extra) Performances used on the original album and reissue Rock And Roll: 27 + 28 for 1st min Celebration Day: 28 + 29 for last min Bring It On Home: 27 (reissue) Black Dog: 29 + 28 for 1st min - edited (reissue) Over The Hills And Far Away: 28 (reissue) Misty Mountain Hop: 27 + 28 for middle min (reissue) Since I've Been Loving You: 27 main + 29 (reissue) No Quarter: As film but 27 for solo end The Song Remains The Same: 28 The Rain Song: 28 Dazed And Confused: 27 Stairway To Heaven: As film but 29 for 1st 2 mins Moby Dick: 28 - edited Heartbreaker: 27 (reissue) Whole Lotta Love: 27 The Ocean: 27 + 29 for guitar solo + coda (reissue) All above info included in the download. You'll notice I stayed away from using the 27th apart from the complete killer Moby Dick which was chopped up so much in the film. The 27th was the night that Jimmy used most on the album as perhaps it was the strongest night overall but that 28th Dazed And Confused and 29th Whole Lotta Love show how easy it is to get 2 strong albums out of those Garden performances. Enjoy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillumpuffer Posted December 29, 2023 Share Posted December 29, 2023 They played "Thank You" on the last night. Could you not include that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Fry Posted December 29, 2023 Author Share Posted December 29, 2023 Don't worry. That's on my 2020 re-edit of the album. I remastered it too so it's the best quality and matches the rest of the tracks. I'll PM you a link. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperDave Posted December 29, 2023 Share Posted December 29, 2023 Sounds very cool. I would love a link to this and of course including Thank You which is a great version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveZ98 Posted December 29, 2023 Share Posted December 29, 2023 Thanks for putting this together. Must have been a ton of work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John M Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 This sounds great. Thank you for sharing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Fry Posted December 30, 2023 Author Share Posted December 30, 2023 A slight tweak! A friend suggested it was a shame that Plant's first line in the whole show involved a squeak. Challenge accepted. Squeak fixed. Download the update on the Guitars101 post if you care! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gcczep Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 Hello Mr. Fry. May I kindly have a link to your fine work. Thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godzilla777 Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 Did you include the between the songs Plantations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Fry Posted December 30, 2023 Author Share Posted December 30, 2023 58 minutes ago, godzilla777 said: Did you include the between the songs Plantations? Certainly did. I've always loved how he talks to the audience. Kinda wish Page had put the "...and it's a quiet song, so shut up!" comment back into The Song Remains The Same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John M Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 Really enjoying this alternate compilation. Thanks again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unseenguest Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 hey brother. this looks very nice. great detail on this project, always appreciate the professionalism. i have crystal clear memories of listing to the original album when i was a young teenager, made a tremendous impact on me. a while back i wrote a little post on using Artificial Intelligence to improve live Led Zeppelin recordings. if you have not already checked it out, if time allows and you are interested, you should check it out... i would love to hear any details on how you assembled this new version and what methods / software etc. you used. have you seen these ? and this is wonderful: his playing at 37:50, during that really cool funky part of No Quarter, is very impressive. i listen to as much live Led Zeppelin as possible, often i zone in on a couple songs to determine how "on" the band is that night: the solo in the middle of OTHAFA, pretty much all of TSRTS [ especially the tasteful build up during the guitar solo 2/3rds of the way through the song ,] the solo in SIBLY and the middle part of NQ. i hope some of this is new to you. keep up the good work. if you are feeling generous i would love an audio link to this so i can check out your work. JAH bless. unseenguest / matthew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Fry Posted January 7 Author Share Posted January 7 1 hour ago, Unseenguest said: hey brother. this looks very nice. great detail on this project, always appreciate the professionalism. i have crystal clear memories of listing to the original album when i was a young teenager, made a tremendous impact on me. a while back i wrote a little post on using Artificial Intelligence to improve live Led Zeppelin recordings. if you have not already checked it out, if time allows and you are interested, you should check it out... i would love to hear any details on how you assembled this new version and what methods / software etc. you used. have you seen these ? and this is wonderful: his playing at 37:50, during that really cool funky part of No Quarter, is very impressive. i listen to as much live Led Zeppelin as possible, often i zone in on a couple songs to determine how "on" the band is that night: the solo in the middle of OTHAFA, pretty much all of TSRTS [ especially the tasteful build up during the guitar solo 2/3rds of the way through the song ,] the solo in SIBLY and the middle part of NQ. i hope some of this is new to you. keep up the good work. if you are feeling generous i would love an audio link to this so i can check out your work. JAH bless. unseenguest / matthew Thank you for all this. I'm going to sink my teeth into your article properly this evening with a beer or three! Familiar with the 1st clip but the 2nd? Woah! This guy's talent and dedication is mind-blowing. Moby Dick!!! In answer to your query, my editing software is either Nero or Audacity. Nero is incredible for cross-fading and you can even fade in and out effects so that a change in EQ or reverb, for example, can be gradual and unnoticeable. Audacity is perfect for pretty much everything else, especially with the latest version. And it's free! I even use it for mixing 5.1 using multitracks and stems for projects such as the early Beatles albums that Giles Martin hasn't tackled yet. So nothing fancy! Funny, I zone in on the same moments as you to tell whether the band are on that particular night. I'll PM you a link to my whole project. Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inthelateafternoon Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Michael, Would love to get a link to your 1973 MSG Alternate Song Remains The Same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneeyedog Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 Hi the 101 link doesn't seem to work for me... any chance etc.... thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godzilla1987 Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 I would love this link if you could provide Thank you for all your hard work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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