Reggie29 Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 Interesting. http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=682966 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarlaxle 56 Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 Coldplay: the definition of talentless hack sellouts. Satch alone is a far better musician than any of the members of Coldplay. I hope he wins his lawsuit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leddy Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 They overlayed the satriani guitar with the Coldplay song on the radio today, it was very very close and all fiited in together, so he might well win, but with only 12 notes to play with you are always going to get similarity in music.. I mean Zep were no angels !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtazy Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 I heard this before a couple of days ago. I hope Satch will win this, I'm not much of a Coldplay fan and the song sounds pretty 'plagiarised' to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caroselambra~ Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 hey - my youngest daughter becki has gone to see *coldplay* tonight at the liverpewl ecckko areena kidda kidda la la etc!! just thought i'd mention it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caroselambra~ Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 btw ..who is joe satriani? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glicine Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 btw ..who is joe satriani? Are you kidding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caroselambra~ Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 just looked him up - and no i wasnt kidding, i've never heard of him BUT why should i? never been a fan of deep purple or the rolling stones if he was that good i would have heard of him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glicine Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 just looked him up - and no i wasnt kidding, i've never heard of him BUT why should i? never been a fan of deep purple or the rolling stones if he was that good i would have heard of him! It's ok. It's impossible to know all the musicians. We have too less energy and time and money fot that... BUT he is good, at least IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caroselambra~ Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 It's ok. It's impossible to know all the musicians. We have too less energy and time and money fot that... BUT he is good, at least IMHO. you have just prompted me to go and find out more many thanks!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ady Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 They'll be known as Coldplagiarism from now on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Masson Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 This is an unusually clear-cut case of stealing a musical idea. Pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggie29 Posted December 9, 2008 Author Share Posted December 9, 2008 This is an unusually clear-cut case of stealing a musical idea. Pathetic. Just like Queen's Under Pressure "reworked" as Ice Ice Baby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swede Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 Not that I favor Coldplay in any way, but I think it's unintentional. They probably never heard Satriani's song. A couple of months before Rolling Stones released Voodoo Lounge I sat in my room and was messing with the slide and came up with, what I thought, a great riff. Later when I purchased Voodoo Lounge I discovered I had made the exact same riff as the bridge in I Go Wild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Masson Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 Not that I favor Coldplay in any way, but I think it's unintentional. They probably never heard Satriani's song. A couple of months before Rolling Stones released Voodoo Lounge I sat in my room and was messing with the slide and came up with, what I thought, a great riff. Later when I purchased Voodoo Lounge I discovered I had made the exact same riff as the bridge in I Go Wild. It's absolutely intentional, no doubt whatsoever about it. Go HERE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swede Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 It's absolutely intentional, no doubt whatsoever about it. Go HERE I've seen the youtube. The chord structure isn't that original, I still think it's unintentional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Masson Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 I've seen the youtube. The chord structure isn't that original, I still think it's unintentional. I must say I find that rather amazing! I have a lot of respect for your opinions, Swede, because from what I've seen your posts are, as a rule, informed and well founded, but I totally disagree on this. I know the idea isn't very original, and I know shit happens. But THIS is ridiculous. It's not just the same melody and chord structure, but also the overall tempo and exact timing of chord changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glicine Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 Not that I favor Coldplay in any way, but I think it's unintentional. They probably never heard Satriani's song. Satriani said he had tried to contact Coldplay for quite a long time and they had just ignored him. Even if the similarity is unintentional, this attitude is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swede Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 I must say I find that rather amazing! I have a lot of respect for your opinions, Swede, because from what I've seen your posts are, as a rule, informed and well founded, but I totally disagree on this. I know the idea isn't very original, and I know shit happens. But THIS is ridiculous. It's not just the same melody and chord structure, but also the overall tempo and exact timing of chord changes. Hey Otto, of course I wouldn't swear on it. I am just guessing, as I know nothing about the story more then the fact I've heard both songs on youtube.. Don't take my words too seriously regarding this. Satriani said he had tried to contact Coldplay for quite a long time and they had just ignored him. Even if the similarity is unintentional, this attitude is not. That is not to their favor either way, that is for sure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swede Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 I must say I find that rather amazing! I have a lot of respect for your opinions, Swede, because from what I've seen your posts are, as a rule, informed and well founded, but I totally disagree on this. I know the idea isn't very original, and I know shit happens. But THIS is ridiculous. It's not just the same melody and chord structure, but also the overall tempo and exact timing of chord changes. Did you read the info on that youtube link you provided? The video poster have been editing both tempo and keys. Make of it what you will. However, for those who are unaware, the tempo and keys HAVE been edited. I would never intend to trick anyone into believing that the two songs were IDENTICAL in these aspects. But think before suggesting that this makes the situation any different. Key and tempo are controllable variables, where as the main key to this argument is harmonically and melodically based. Key and tempo should be irrelevent in this respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtazy Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 Key, tempo...who cares? They sound the same! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swede Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 Key, tempo...who cares? They sound the same! Yeah, of course it sound the same, if the key and tempo is adjusted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrycja Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 Even without legal knowledge it's really hard to see how anyone can dispute the validity of Satriani's case. Just listen to it! It's blatant. Let's say it wasn't intentional (although the OP's assertion that Coldplay ignored Satriani and basically forced him to pursue this avenue is suspicious): 1. You'd think someone in the whole music company would scratch their head and go, hmm, where have I heard that before? You know, seeing as how they're in the industry and are supposed to be experts in their field and all. 2. I'm no expert, but intent does not seem to determine guilt. It's based on the final product, regardless of whether or not it was intentional. I did a quick search and found this: Music Copyright Guide According to this site, "The legal test of infringement is "substantial similarity" - whether an ordinary observer would recognize the work as having been copied in whole or in part from the earlier one." If that's the case, Coldplay's about lose a case. I recall hearing somewhere that there is an actual specific standard - something like three consecutive bars of same or similar notes/chord progression (not tempo or key) - that holds up in court. It would be shocking if this case did not go in Satriani's favour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swede Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 I agree with you that Coldplay probably will lose this case, because the songs are very similiar and Coldplay will not be able to proof they're innocent. However, I am stubborn regarding the question if it was intentional or not, I don't think they stole the song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ady Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 They also used a Kraftwerk riff: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=C0rYO1GDyis The thing is, they asked for Kraftwerk's permission to use it. Why wouldn't they ask Satriani for permission too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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