Zeppelin Led Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Couldn't they have filmed say All of the 27th and just put the audio from the nights to it? In case of issues with syncronization they could film some parts from sheppord studio?. Also what was the point in filming At that studio anyways? Why film the concert if your just gonna pretend your doing it at some studio. This was baffling me all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnlennon696 Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Also what was the point in filming At that studio anyways? Why film the concert if your just gonna pretend your doing it at some studio. They had to film parts at Shepperton as the film had blank spots in it so they had to re-shoot some scenes " Unhappy with the progress of the film, manager Peter Grant had Joe Massot removed from the project and Australian director Peter Clifton was hired in his place in early 1974. Massot was offered a few thousand pounds in compensation. Peter Grant later sent someone to Massot's house to collect the film. However, Massot had hidden the film elsewhere and so instead an expensive editing machine owned by Massot was taken as collateral. Massot served a writ, leading to a period of stalemate which was finally broken when Grant and Led Zeppelin's lawyer Steve Weiss agreed to pay Massot the money he was owed, after which he delivered to film to the band. Massot was not invited to attend the premiere of the film at New York but he attended anyway, buying a ticket from a scalper outside the theatre. Share this Peter Clifton, in recognizing that there were crucial holes in the concert footage, suggested that the entire show be recreated at Shepperton Studios in August 1974, on a mock-up of the Madison Square Garden stage. Close-ups and distance footage of the band members could then be slipped into the live sequences, which made up the bulk of the concert footage seen in the film. When it was agreed that the band would meet at Shepperton Studios for filming, John Paul Jones had recently had his hair cut short, so he had to wear a wig. Robert Plant's teeth had also been fixed between the 1973 and 1974 filming's. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledzepfilm Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 The fantasy footage was added for the same reason. To tell the differences: Plant's teeth are fixed, he has a droopy look in his eyes and his hair is shorter. And he's a few pounds heavier. Page has a poofy haircut. Jonesy has a bad wig, you could tell by how short his bangs are. Bonham is like 20 pounds heavier and his hair is crazy long. Mugshots. The lights look more distant. Those lights that are on a stand and there is like 9 of them per square, and the moving circle with the lights are not there. The mirror is taller. It doesn't have the atmosphere of MSG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledzepfilm Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Also the Shepperton footage was shot to replace footage that's not close enough to the band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppelin Led Posted August 30, 2011 Author Share Posted August 30, 2011 The fantasy footage was added for the same reason. To tell the differences: Plant's teeth are fixed, he has a droopy look in his eyes and his hair is shorter. And he's a few pounds heavier. Page has a poofy haircut. Jonesy has a bad wig, you could tell by how short his bangs are. Bonham is like 20 pounds heavier and his hair is crazy long. Mugshots. The lights look more distant. Those lights that are on a stand and there is like 9 of them per square, and the moving circle with the lights are not there. The mirror is taller. It doesn't have the atmosphere of MSG. Thats alot of the footage. btw do you know if those people let in by the cops was even a zeppelin concert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledzepfilm Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 The chasing scene in TSRTS? It was shot as test footage in Baltimore, July 23rd 1973. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattmc1973 Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 The crew did a piss-poor job of filming those shows, they clearly had no experience in shooting rock concerts. To film 3 whole shows, and still not have enough footage to make 1 show is ridiculous. Plus the filming itself was pretty bad, from a cinematography standpoint. Far too many shots of Jimmy playing where they are only shooting him from the shoulders up, without showing him actually playing guitar. In a 30 minute guitar extravaganza like Dazed & Confused, think of how little of Jimmy's fretwork is actually shown. It's a mess of camera work and editing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledzepfilm Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 ^ From my studies, Dazed is mostly from the 1st night. The other 2 are used to fill in. You can tell that on the 2nd night, Jones is wearing a leather jacket, on the 29th he's wearing that crazy jacket but switches to a white shirt after the bow solo. However, most of the ending part of the jam and the ending of the song is mostly from Shepperton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 No, Zeppelin Led is referring to the guys that were let in by the security dude, not the chasing scene shot in Baltimore. Zeppelin Led, the scene with the girl outside asking if anyone has a ticket and then the guys being let in to the concert was shot at the Madison Square Garden. As for why all 3 shows were filmed and not just the 27th, I am sure as soon as you posted that question the answer came to you if you thought about it. Joe Massot and his gang of idiots couldn't get enough footage for coverage filming all three nights at the Garden, imagine how poor the result would have been if they HAD filmed only one night. We'd be lucky to have one complete song from 1973. The Song Remains the Same movie/album will always be one of the great "IFs" in Led Zeppelin's history. IF only Peter Grant had put a little more thought into who they hired to film the gigs instead of hiring Joe and his drug-addled crew. IF only they would have hired a film crew from the getgo to film the whole tour instead of waiting to the end. You didn't need to be a psychic to know that the 1973 US tour was going to be seismic. The buzz was in the air. The band had come through LA several times already, and each time was legendary: 9/4/70...8/21-22/71...6/25/72. Now in 73, they had the added incentive of playing on Bonzo's birthday, and nobody thought this might be a choice time to film the tour? Same thing with Kezar...you'd have to be a bleeding idiot not to know that an outdoor show in San Francisco would have epic atmosphere. Peter Grant was a great manager and usually made the right decisions...but he failed the band in 1973. IF Robert hadn't had his accident in August 75, they wouldn't have had to cancel the late-summer tour, where it is suggested that they would have filmed more gigs. There's many other IFs, but you get the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledzepfilm Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 First then last: Offstage (beginning of TSRTS) Shepperton 29th 27th Offtstage (fantasy) Offstage (fantsy) 28th 29th Offstage (Fantasy) 27th 27th 27th Offstage (Fantasy) 27th 27th Offstage (Ending) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Melanie Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 No, Zeppelin Led is referring to the guys that were let in by the security dude, not the chasing scene shot in Baltimore. Zeppelin Led, the scene with the girl outside asking if anyone has a ticket and then the guys being let in to the concert was shot at the Madison Square Garden. As for why all 3 shows were filmed and not just the 27th, I am sure as soon as you posted that question the answer came to you if you thought about it. Joe Massot and his gang of idiots couldn't get enough footage for coverage filming all three nights at the Garden, imagine how poor the result would have been if they HAD filmed only one night. We'd be lucky to have one complete song from 1973. The Song Remains the Same movie/album will always be one of the great "IFs" in Led Zeppelin's history. IF only Peter Grant had put a little more thought into who they hired to film the gigs instead of hiring Joe and his drug-addled crew. IF only they would have hired a film crew from the getgo to film the whole tour instead of waiting to the end. You didn't need to be a psychic to know that the 1973 US tour was going to be seismic. The buzz was in the air. The band had come through LA several times already, and each time was legendary: 9/4/70...8/21-22/71...6/25/72. Now in 73, they had the added incentive of playing on Bonzo's birthday, and nobody thought this might be a choice time to film the tour? Same thing with Kezar...you'd have to be a bleeding idiot not to know that an outdoor show in San Francisco would have epic atmosphere. Peter Grant was a great manager and usually made the right decisions...but he failed the band in 1973. IF Robert hadn't had his accident in August 75, they wouldn't have had to cancel the late-summer tour, where it is suggested that they would have filmed more gigs. There's many other IFs, but you get the idea. Hindsight is a royal bitch to live with and never wants to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikezep61 Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Hindsight is a royal bitch to live with and never wants to leave. True, but lack of foresight and poor planning is quite the bitch as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 IMHO, if TSRTS didn't have the Shepperton edits and fantasy sequences, nobody would be complaing about how poorly it was shot (which I don't agree with). TSRTS (for me) easily contains the most iconic moments ever captured on film of Zeppelin (Shepperton edits not included). You want to see a poorly shot concert? Watch 'Cream's Farewell Concert', I dare ya'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppelin Led Posted August 31, 2011 Author Share Posted August 31, 2011 If Kubrick did it That would be perfection The man could do anything and had the same mystique zeppelin had. He would direct A night and have the film done quickly. I guess thats another if. Also whats with the audio being so badly out of sync Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 IMHO, if TSRTS didn't have the Shepperton edits and fantasy sequences, nobody would be complaing about how poorly it was shot (which I don't agree with). TSRTS (for me) easily contains the most iconic moments ever captured on film of Zeppelin (Shepperton edits not included). You want to see a poorly shot concert? Watch 'Cream's Farewell Concert', I dare ya'. True...but then 1968 was the Stone Age as far as filming rock concerts was concerned. By 1973, the technology and experience light years ahead of 1968. Given that, TSRTS SHOULD have been filmed much better than it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SummrMoon Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Jimmy and Robert seemed to be having a "heated" discussion on the tarmac near the end of the movie. I've always thought it odd that they left that in the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppelin Led Posted August 31, 2011 Author Share Posted August 31, 2011 Jimmy and Robert seemed to be having a "heated" discussion on the tarmac near the end of the movie. I've always thought it odd that they left that in the movie. What? When is this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SummrMoon Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 It's just a visual; you can't hear what they're saying. Robert is clearly agitated, and Jimmy holds up his hand as if to calm him down. Only lasts a few seconds then the camera moves on to something else. It's near the end of movie when they're on the tarmac waiting for the plane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 True...but then 1968 was the Stone Age as far as filming rock concerts was concerned. By 1973, the technology and experience light years ahead of 1968. Given that, TSRTS SHOULD have been filmed much better than it was. Agreed. But, we will never know how good it really was because a very large portion of it ended up on the cutting room floor (to make room for nonsense). Yes, the Cream concert was shot 5 years earlier and is also probably theee worst filming/editing job ever, I was just making a point. Watch the Ladies and Gentleman Rolling Stones DVD shot in 1972, it is quite bad, in both photography and editing. This was shot over 4 concerts and and two different venues and they still couldn't get it right. It's dark as hell and the editing is in highspeed coke mode (one of my pet peeves). However, the Stones did manage to successfully capture their entire setlist on film, and so did Zeppelin, but thats another story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledzepfilm Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 TSRTS was quickly put together, it was origially dropped and they were planning to film the Fall 1975 US tour, but Robert had the accident and they had to do MSG again. You could obviously see it was rushed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 TSRTS was quickly put together, it was origially dropped and they were planning to film the Fall 1975 US tour, but Robert had the accident and they had to do MSG again. You could obviously see it was rushed. 3 years is not "quickly put together". Before Plant had his car accident they had already done (paid for) the Shepperton shoot as well as the fantasy sequence filming. That on top of probably the quarter million dollars it took to pull off just the original filming of the concerts and payments for all involved. That must have been close to a million dollar investment long before any talk of filming the Fall 1975 US tour. They weren't about to walk away from that footage, thats pretty obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledzepfilm Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 No, they noticed gaps in the footage and the Shepperton footage was filmed, they found out how much of a nightmare it was and they planned ahead to film the Fall tour. Apparently Robert had the accident and they had to pick up on the Garden footage. 18 months behind schedule and over budget, the film was released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppelin Led Posted September 3, 2011 Author Share Posted September 3, 2011 Y'know SIBLY the part at the begining where it shows page's fretboard Is that from shepperton. AND did bonzo really go that fast at the end of D&C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledzepfilm Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 If you are refering to the very first camera angle when the effect duplicates Page x4, it's from Shepperton. The following shot of the fretboard is from the last night. Most of that song is the 27th and 29th, according to my studies. Yes, he did. It's not sped up. But the NTSC version of the film is sped up by 4 percent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppelin Led Posted September 3, 2011 Author Share Posted September 3, 2011 If you are refering to the very first camera angle when the effect duplicates Page x4, it's from Shepperton. The following shot of the fretboard is from the last night. Most of that song is the 27th and 29th, according to my studies. Yes, he did. It's not sped up. But the NTSC version of the film is sped up by 4 percent. Thats good I have the pal version and he plays VERY Fast. And thanks for answering the question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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