ScarletMacaw, on 22 Oct 2014 - 09:06, said: "I can tell that you have never produced any original, copyrighted material for sale. If you were an author, artist or composer, you would feel very differently." So, among your many other talents you're also a mind-reader? I should just save time then and let you write my posts for me. "Unfortunately there are many people who are not discriminating and who only listen to music for free, because they can. You are not typical." So the dedicated music lovers should be punished for the sins of the masses? This is a music forum dedicated to Led Zeppelin, where other music geeks can gather and share their love of not only Led Zeppelin but other forms of music. Most of us buy our records or buy the iTunes downloads and are not thieves. It's nice to have a thread where if you're stuck at work on the computer, you can click on a YouTube clip that someone has posted and have some cool jams to listen to while working. Why deprive us of that joy just because you feel not enough people who listen to YouTube will buy the album?? As you can see from what others have posted, YouTube clips have helped plenty of people make a decision to buy an album...an album that otherwise would not have been sold. "You've made so many bigoted remarks on this forum, I'm not surprised by your sexism." Where to begin with this broadside attack? Frankly, since when is schoolmarm a sexist term? I have used it towards men and women alike. It's a good word that comes in handy when people display priggish behaviour. As for my "many bigoted remarks"...please direct me to these so-called remarks. It's true that I am bigot when it comes to stupidity and politically correct gobbledy-gook. I don't care for people who parrot dogma, whether it is left or right. But if by "bigot" you are accusing me of being a racist or sexist, then you've lost me. Am I a bigot because I had the temerity to suggest that ISIL/ISIS didn't have other Muslims' best interests at heart, let alone the rest of the people who have to inhabit this planet? Am I a bigot because I don't swallow some of the propaganda you post? You act like you're the only one who has been to the Middle East and therefore the only one who knows the "truth". "What a joke. Prince made a major movie in the 1980s, which I am sure is widely available, via Netflix etc. He's hardly an unknown artist struggling for recognition!" Oh please...Prince's profile is hardly what it was in the "Purple Rain" days. Not that it matters anyway as pertaining to this discussion...YouTube shouldn't only be for unknown artists struggling for recognition. Yes, Prince is a major artist, but you'd be surprised how few people have any clue about his music post-"Diamonds and Pearls", which came out way back in 1991. I have even come across a sizable segment of people who self-identify as Prince fans who have lost touch with what he's been up to lately, and much of that is due to his making it hard for people to discover his music on the internet. Radio certainly doesn't play Prince as much as they once did in the past. Thanks to a lack of clips available on YouTube, people also have no idea how amazing Prince still is in concert. One of the things that helped Daft Punk explode was their incredible gig at Coachella. As word spread and people were able to see it on YouTube the legend grew. Prince had a similarly epic performance at Coachella. Only he didn't allow any of it to appear on YouTube and there was no buzz that built off that performance. I still have to work hard to convince people to take a chance on seeing Prince in concert because they have all these preconceived notions about him and his music. One YouTube concert clip would help so much in wiping away these false notions people have. As for his movies, I don't watch movies on YouTube or any other online service. "Amazon allows you to sample songs before you buy them. Isn't that also why bands make official music videos." Hahaha, thanks for the laugh. To quote yourself, "What a joke." Since when does a 10 or 30 second sample give you an idea of what a song is like? Can you reduce a song of many shifts and moods such as "Ten Years Gone" or "In the Light" to a short snippet? I have tried to listen to some unknown bands thru Amazon's samples and it is frustrating...if a song has a slow beginning, then the sample ends before you even hear a lyric. As for bands making videos...um, just where are these videos being shown? MTV and VH1 don't show any music videos as far as I can tell. In fact, the only way I have seen most of my favourite bands videos has been thru Vevo or YouTube. Otherwise I would never have known these videos even existed. Goldfrapp, Tame Impala, Sigur Ros, Bjork, PJ Harvey, Broadcast, Melody's Echo Chamber, Keren Ann, Flaming Lips, Wilco, Black Angels, Flying Lotus, Black Keys, White Stripes, Beck, Sia, Uncle Acid & the deadbeats...every day I discover an unknown video thanks to YouTube. I'll give you another example of a band that can't fit in Amazon's sample pigeonhole...Sleep. Sleep's "Dopesmoker" album is one continuous slab of music...it is one track that is just over an hour long. You can't play a 30 second sample and expect that to be enough to convince people to buy the album. You'll never hear the album played on radio, either, due to its lack of radio-sized "songs". Other than lending your buddy your own "Dopesmoker" album or making a cassette or cd copy to pass along, YouTube is the most convenient and best way to let other people know about this record in a fair way that gives them enough opportunity to explore what the music is like. "Just an assumption without evidence on your part." Errr no...it is an assumption on your part. When someone tells me "thanks for sending me that YouTube clip...it sounded so good I went and got their album" that goes down in my book as evidence. Anecdotal evidence it may be, but it is still a real fact...something that happened due to cause-and-effect. When that person then shares it with their friends and so on and so on, even if only 10% of those people buy the album, that is still nothing to sneeze at. "There are many ways to become known besides FM radio, including Pandora, Spotify, and, of course, concerts! Who is living in the Stone Age? LOL." Yada yada yada...I wasn't saying YouTube was the only way to become known. I was reacting to your screed that people who use YouTube are stealing. If you're laughing because I would rather play my own albums and create my own playlist than listen to some drone programming Pandora or Spotify, fine...have at it. But it has zero to do with the fact that YouTube is a benefit to bands, not a hindrance.

Picks in colour caps... Week 8 Schedule Thursday Oct. 23 San Diego @ DENVER Sunday Oct. 26 DETROIT @ Atlanta Falcons...Two teams that flounder on the road play a game thousands of miles from home many time zones away...who will suck harder, Matty Ice or Matthew Stafford? My hunch is that Matty Ice will and Detroit will eke out a "road" victory for a change. BALTIMORE @ Cincinnati Buffalo @ NEW YORK JETS...somehow I feel Percy Harvin might give the Jets a boost before his attitude destroys the locker room. Chicago @ NEW ENGLAND Houston @ TENNESSEE MIAMI @ Jacksonville Minnesota @ TAMPA BAY SEATTLE @ Carolina...Always dangerous picking Seattle on a cross-country road trip but I find it hard to believe this team could lose three in a row. St. Louis @ KANSAS CITY PHILADELPHIA @ Arizona...Arizona and Carson Palmer are due to stumble some time. INDIANAPOLIS @ Pittsburgh...What in the dickens is going on in Pittsburgh? Could there be a coaching change at the end of this season? Oakland @ CLEVELAND...Might we see Johnny Football at last? Green Bay @ NEW ORLEANS...Still loyal to pottedplant's team, especially at home...but there is something off with Brees and company; that Detroit game was theirs and they shot themselves in the foot. Monday Oct. 27 Washington @ DALLAS...Throw out the records when division rivals play...but Dallas' offensive line and Murray should mash the Taters.

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No nicknames, jabe?

"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers." ~ Shakespeare Henry VI Are you for real? Lighten up ferchrissakes. I can't exactly share the exact vinyl album I am listening to at any particular time via the forum in real time...maybe if I had Skype, which I don't. Posting a YouTube video is the closest facsimile one can get. But the sound of a YouTube clip is still inferior to the real album, so only someone who didn't care about music wouldn't bother getting the actual album of something he/she liked. Aside from some assorted live clips, there isn't a YouTube song or album clip I've posted where I don't own the corresponding actual album. So take your schoolmarm scolding somewhere else. I love Prince's music but he's an idiot regarding his stance on YouTube. Who knows how many album sales he's lost because it's impossible to share with friends any clips of his stuff. Most people won't take a chance on new music unless they can sample it first to see if it is to their liking. I have introduced people to countless bands thru the use of YouTube clips and that leads to those bands selling more albums and concert tickets thru an ever expanding fan-base. If you are stuck in the Stone Age and are just relying on radio to get your music out to the people, you're going to go the way of the dinosaurs and the Dodo bird.

Sweet birthday wishes to a kind lady, Sweet Virginia! May your teams do you proud this year! Happy birthday to you! Cheers.

Or the guts to pick Jacksonville...et cetera, et cetera...

Week 8 Schedule Thursday Oct. 23 San Diego @ Denver Sunday Oct. 26 Detroit @ Atlanta Falcons - WARNING! This game is being played in London Baltimore @ Cincinnati Buffalo @ New York Jets Chicago @ New England Houston @ Tennessee Miami @ Jacksonville Minnesota @ Tampa Bay Seattle @ Carolina St. Louis @ Kansas City Philadelphia @ Arizona Indianapolis @ Pittsburgh Oakland @ Cleveland Green Bay @ New Orleans Monday Oct. 27 Washington @ Dallas

Wow! We have a 5-way tie for first this week...Anjin-san, apantherfrommd, jabe, jb126, and Walter all came in at 11-4. Congratulations on your picking prowess! jabe gets his first star of the season! As for the season standings, no major movement but jb126 is beginning to separate herself from us plebes. Oh, and sound the trumpets! zepscoda has broken the .500 mark for the year at last. Week 7 Results Anjin-san: 11-4* apantherfrommd: 11-4* jabe: 11-4* jb126: 11-4* Walter: 11-4* paul carruthers: 10-5 Strider: 10-5 zepscoda: 10-5 Bong-Man: 9-6 ebk: 9-6 (blame it on the crud) in_the_evening: 8-7 LedZeppfan77: 8-7 mack: 8-7 Season Standings after 106 games: 1. jb126**: 73-32-1 2. Walter**: 69-36-1 3. Anjin-san***: 68-37-1 4. apantherfrommd**: 66-39-1 4. Bong-Man*: 66-39-1 5. ebk**: 63-42-1 5. jabe*: 63-42-1 5. paul carruthers: 63-42-1 5. Strider: 63-42-1 6. mack: 62-41-1 7. in_the_evening: 60-45-1 8. LedZeppfan77*: 59-46-1 9. zepscoda: 54-50-1 * = winner of a week

Happy birthday indeed to one who blazes a happy path thru life...chillumpuffer! May the Rioja flow and the buds bloom forever and ever. Happy birthday! And to Sathington and any other Super Bowl-babies I missed in the past week or so, a belated happy birthday to you all! May the Zeppelin Spirit keep you flying! Cheers!

It's that early Sunday morning bravery everybody feels, haha. I do think the Jackoffs will eventually win a game and kind of feel this might be the week. Cleveland are no road monsters. But I have trouble picking a team with a quarterback named 'Blake Bortles'. So I'll stick with the Browns. What can Brown do for you?

I'm disappointed in Notre Dame's loss to FSU. I prefer Notre Dame to be highly ranked and undefeated if possible when they play USC. It makes it that much more satisfying when USC beats them. USC and Notre Dame will still be ranked when they meet...hopefully...but not as highly as people thought before the season. ND should still be in the top 10 even after losing to #3 FSU but USC won't be no higher than the mid-teens.

Another loss for Buffalo...this time a 4-0 wipeout at home vs. the Bruins. They're certainly tanking as Rick wishes.

Don't forget the rest of your picks, KB. Sunday is coming soon.

Thanks New England for holding on for dear life last night. The rest of my picks... Baltimore Green Bay Indianapolis Cleveland Chicago Buffalo New Orleans Seattle Washington San Diego Arizona Dallas Denver Pittsburgh

Oh man, you slay me.

:)

Gawd I hate Thursday football. It barely gives you time to regroup from the games just completed and assess the upcoming slate of games. New England Brady Bunch. Other picks later.

Three books that made a deep impact and have always stayed with me ever since reading them were: "In Cold Blood" Truman Capote "Helter Skelter" Vincent Bugliosi "The Executioner's Song" Norman Mailer But after a while, I got weary of reading true crime books...especially ones dealing with serial killers. I worry about Ann Rule's sanity sometimes, haha, dwelling on all that madness. I remember the Ted Bundy case well but have no further interest in him or his crimes. It's all a bit morbid.

WTF happened with my post? It didn't look like that on the pc last night when I posted the schedule but now on my phone the Chicago, Buffalo and Detroit games are in tiny print? I'll try to fix it at work today. Damn...it's too late, it won't let me edit my post. Sorry for the screwup. Hope it isn't too distracting.

Week 7 Schedule Thursday Oct. 16 NY Jets @ New England Sunday Oct. 19 Atlanta @ Baltimore Carolina @ Green Bay Cincinnati @ Indianapolis Cleveland @ Jacksonville Miami @ Chicago Minnesota @ Buffalo New Orleans @ Detroit Seattle @ St. Louis Tennessee @ Washington Kansas City @ San Diego Arizona @ Oakland NY Giants @ Dallas San Francisco @ Denver Monday Oct. 20 Houston @ Pittsburgh

Final tally for Week 6 ebk: 13-1-1* Anjin-san: 12-2-1 apantherfrommd: 12-2-1 jb126: 12-2-1 Bong-Man: 10-4-1 jabe: 10-4-1 paul carruthers: 10-4-1 Strider: 10-4-1 Walter: 10-4-1 in_the_evening: 9-5-1 LedZeppfan77: 9-5-1 zepscoda: 8-6-1 mack: 7-7-1 Season Standings after 91 Games: 1. jb126*: 62-28-1 2. Walter*: 58-32-1 3. Anjin-san**: 57-33-1 3. Bong-Man*: 57-33-1 4. apantherfrommd*: 55-35-1 5. ebk**: 54-36-1 6. mack: 54-34-1 7. paul carruthers: 53-37-1 7. Strider: 53-37-1 8. in_the_evening: 52-38-1 8. jabe: 52-38-1 9. LedZeppfan77*: 51-39-1 10. zepscoda: 44-45-1 * = Winner for a week

There are lots of songs Led Zeppelin recorded that at first glance don't seem "Led Zeppelin-like"...which of course made Led Zeppelin what they were in the first place: A band that didn't stay still or get bogged down in one genre or another. The very fact that you don't consider "Carouselambra" typical of Led Zeppelin is exactly why I do consider it a prime Led Zeppelin track. It goes against the grain of expectations, which is when Led Zeppelin was at their best. I wouldn't touch a thing on ITTOD...it is fine exactly as it is.

^^^ Haha, we were drinking Rolling Rocks while watching the football games today! Always have had a soft spot for RRs after a friend in the Army from Mead, PA introduced me to them. Regarding good California Cabernets...here is a list of my tried-and-true favourites...my go-to wineries: Heitz Cellars Far Niente Frog's Leap Cakebread Cellars Robert Mondavi Estate For more cheaper yet still good Cabernets, there are: Cupcake Hess Select Clos du Bois

There used to be a show on VH1 called "Storytellers" and I have always thought it was a shame Robert, Jimmy and John Paul never get together with some acoustic guitars and mandolins, etc., and talked about how some of their songs came about in exactly the relaxed, conversational manner Jimmy exhibits here in this BBC video. It would have been the perfect format for them. A great missed opportunity, in my book. I also used to wish Jones would bring along a recorder on tour, so he could play the "Stairway" intro properly on a recorder instead of using his moog or whatever keyboard he used. Although I did like the organ intros he used when I saw them in 1972...that was much more ethereal and effective than the way he did it in1973 and after.