Here is something that rubs me the wrong way: People who make macaroni salad and then put waaaaaaay tooooo muuuuuuch mayo in it. The macaroni already absorbes a lot of mayo, no need to make is swimming in mayo. Someone will make mac salad and tell me how great it is, and then give me some and there almost as much mayo in it as macaroni and I want to puke. Same thing with coleslaw, it doesn't need to be like cabbage mayo soup. YUK!

Yeah, those are the Angels. I think that photo originally appeared in LIFE magazine. I was trying to tell where the location was in Bakersfield. Bakersfield still has a large contingent of 1%rs--- especially over in Oildale. I think back then there were a lot of Sportsters on the roads. I heard they all went to crap after AMF bought HD.

When she looked back over...

The ironic thing is they actually do use male rape as a means to dehumanize and intimidate and control other people in prison. But I think they didn't appreciate having that shown in a Hollywood film. It was against their "code" to talk about it.

You'll get used to it. Just try to picture a little girl complaining about somebody spilling beer on her Barbie doll, and then you'll understand how XXXXX thinks.

Remember these?

Oh and another thing Wally. I post tons of non political interesting stuff and photos in other thread on all kinds of topics, so no, everyone isn't just here in this community of Zep fans trying to stir shit, but 9/11 is a pretty important day to remember and to reflect on some things. You have no problem jumping in and whining some pipsqueak remark whenever YOU feel like it---on any subject, so you aren't exactly some innocent angel yourself.

So says the guy who wouldn't know the definition of patriotism if it crawled up his intestines and laid eggs. It makes ZERO sense to commemorate the dead on 9/11 without acknowledging how they died and WHO killed them. They didn't all just die of natural causes. It is appropriate to acknowledge that they were murdered is it not?

Has nothing to do with 9/11. Find another thread on that subject to talk about that. Besides, nobody here was defending that anyway. Really no comparison actually to what happened on 9/11. I really don't think those men flying the planes were indigenous to North America.

Straight Satans MC Venice Ca, circa 1966. There was a small connection between the Straight Satans M.C. and the Manson family via one Straight Satan member Danny DeCarlo. Danny was never involved in any murders, maybe some auto theft, but Danny was mostly hanging around the Manson family for the "free love" with the girls. Charlie wanted to recruit various white motorcycle gang members to help in his plans for a race war (Helter Skelter) against the Blacks. Guy on the left is Charlie Manson More Straight Satans

A few "one percenters" in Bakersfield, Ca

Tom Laughlin (Billy Jack) shot from the film "Born Losers" (1967) This shot was taken on Main St in Seal Beach, California

"Broadway Joe" Namath with Ann Margret during the filming of "C.C. & Company" (1970) Fits the "retro" theme here

Bill Hopper kind of looks like Dennis Hopper here.

Really cool pics Red, thanks for sharing! Is this one a shovelhead? I don't know which would be harder to ride, choppers with the tall arm numbing "ape hangers", or those little handle bars like the one's in this photo. What happens if you make need to make a sudden turn with these? Or I guess you just plan far enough ahead so you don't need to. Back in the late '60s and early '70s there were way more choppers down here than bobbers I think. Which do you like better? I saw one of those newer Triumph bobbers recently and thought it looked like a comfortable bike.

Is that the 9-11 tribute at Pepperdine University in Malibu? I used to live near there at Latigo Canyon Dr and PCH.

I agree. And it is correct to not only remember 9-11 but to be just as angry about it as the day it happened, and to make those responsible, as well as others who may wish to do the same remain on notice that they will pay a price for their medieval thinking and actions.

You're right Red. I hope people never forget. For my part I always do something to commemorate the day with a friend of mine. We have always taken off work on 9-11 starting from the first anniversary in 2002. For years there was always some commemoration somewhere here in the Los Angeles area, and this year despite some being planned, they were all cancelled due to the China plague. So on Friday we just headed up to Ventura county to a beach (trying to escape the smoke from the wild fires), and we enjoyed a day on the beach--- planting or American flag in the sand with a black "remember 9-11" ribbon. We have always felt it important to remember those who died, and never forget who are enemies are, lest we end up again in the same situation. Because the people who did that, and the philosophy behind them, is still out there, and is still the predominant view of a lot of people around the world. This "holy war" nonsense. We can't let them win those evil motherfuckers! May they burn in hell forever. Them and all those who believe in their evil philosophy.

I couldn't eat at Italian delis and meat markets for 5 years after watching the Sopranos. Every meatball sub I would eat I envisioned some big fat dead wiseguy laying on the butcher block in the middle of the night being diced up by a couple of greaseballs in the same place where some Guido meatcutter would come in in the morning and start grinding beef and pork for my sandwich. But I got over it. Now I only refuse to eat at Chinese places. No worries of humans being chopped up in the backroom... more like 4 legged things with skinny long tails.

So how did you like the English version as compared to the American "Hollywood" version of the Titanic story? Warning, I will probably ramble on a bit here, but I think the Titanic is a great movie theme to discuss. I personally prefer "A Night to Remember" due it being the closest to historically accurate of all attempts at telling that story. The '53 Hollywood version was far too "dramatized" compared to the English version, and I believe that is because in the English version they were content to make a film FOR the English movie goer in the style of a British historical drama and they made no bones about it. In the English version they were not influenced by Hollywood studio moguls to spice up the telling of the disaster, the Titanic story itself was already dramatic enough. What I never understood with the American Titanic films---and especially the more recent one with by James Cameron, is why on Earth did they feel the need to add so many fictional dramatic components to this tale? The true historical Titanic story if you were writing it as a fictional novel already has so many things in it which are already dramatic enough. Maiden voyage, largest and fastest steam liner ever made, a serious of failures any one of which that had not have occurred may have resulted in a less tragic result including the nearest ship close enough to been able to save everyone single person on the Titanic and RIGHT IN VIEW of the Titanic--- turned off their wireless radio early and didn't receive the SOS calls. And then beyond that thought the signal rockets were celebration rockets. Then the social component of how steerage class passengers were for too many minutes not allowed to move up the 1st class decks where the lifeboats were, and then so many lifeboats allowed to leave with many open seats available. You can't write a more dramatic story than what was already factual, so why add more stuff to it? Compare a film like Cameron's Titanic to the film "From Here to Eternity" which was a film set in the days just prior to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor and 100% fictional. If you are going to set a fictional tale within the framework of an actual historical event, then only FRAME it inside of that event and don't encroach into the history by adding anything to the context that doesn't belong there. That is exactly how "From Here to Eternity" handled that historic event and you are left with a very interesting drama INSIDE the real life event. Which is what was done in "The Sand Pebbles" too BTW. In both of those dramas the historical event could have been fabricated too, and it wouldn't matter to the telling of the story. I guess my gripe on this being a movie fan AND a fan of history, is that when Hollywood goes too far with historical dramas and makes too much shit up, then lots of stupid people end up believing that the Hollywood version is actually the history too. Films like JFK, Pearl Harbor, 300, Braveheart, Marie Antoinette, The Battle of the Bulge, The Patriot, and Titanic (1997) may be be entertaining, but they go far beyond creative license when it comes to dealing with the facts. Some facts you just need to respect enough to leave them alone. Especially if you owe any respect to the many who died in these real events.

Hey Red, Being that you are a bit of a 'gear head' you might enjoy this. If you are ever in Los Angeles look up the naval museum Lane Victory moored down in San Pedro. The ship is a restored and operating WW2 merchant cargo ship (Victory class). It is a floating museum, it even does a few day excursions each year. The ship is staffed with docents who were U.S. sailors who served--- a few going back to WW2, but sadly those now are nearly all gone. Of particular interest is the actual steam engine used in the making of The Sand Pebbles on display in one of the ship's cargo holds. Fox pictures acquired the engine from a marine scrap company; the engine I believe used to be in a whaling ship. The engine was then rigged up in the Fox pictures soundstage for the scenes in the film. After the film someone aquired the engine who lived in San Diego and then for 30 years it just sat in his backyard until he donated it to the Lane Victory museum where it has been restored and on display. And it actually operates. Not on steam, but electricity, and for demonstration. One of my favorite scenes in the Sand Pebbles was Jake Holeman (McQueen) trying to teach his "coolie" apprentice (played by Mako) how a "triple expansion" steam ("stim" in pidgen English/Chinese) engine works. This video of the Lane Victory engine room (no association to the Sand Pebbles engine) While on the topic, here is another video of an actual triple expansion operating steam engine from an English maritime floating museum. Glad there are still dedicated men who lovingly restore, operate, and display these wonderful pieces of history.

Great film, and tragic story. I watch it over again at least a couple of times per year. Hollywood no longer has the guts to make great films like these. Today everything is about robots, explosions, titties and other over the top CGI scenes made to titillate the sensibilities of people who's attention span for details or deeper thought are limited to the attention span of someone who gets most of their political or cultural content from a twitter feed. Most audiences today would be bored by a film like The Sand Pebbles, Lawrence of Arabia, Dr. Zhivago, From Here to Eternity, or In the Heat of the Night. Many young people sadly today have zero exposure to great cinema---same way all of their music is CRAP. Here is a really good synopsis of the film (two parts)