I prefer snooping on the more interesting personal moments such as WIAWSNB & BCW. If you can't sing about rogering your wife's sister, what's the point?

HA! Close enough 😉

What tunes did they join in on? I bet it was Dirty White Boy

Another movie with serious inaccuracies. Doc's family is quite upset at the portrayal he was estranged from his family when he in fact had a normal, strong connection with his family. BTW I know a LOT of Italians, young, old, mobbed up, etc. and none of them ever acted like that.

Are you trying to say movies such as Blazing Saddles or Silver Streak could not be made today?

Almost 40" of snow and a low of -1. We broke all snowfall records here. I believe I have done two weeks worth of workouts over the course of yesterday & today in regard to shoveling snow. I am sore in places I forgot I still had.

For me Jonesy's keys sounded silly. Much of Zeps keyboard stuff he used the mellotron, Hammond C3, electric piano, or piano. The synths of the 80's were great for Depeshe, Yazoo, and the other New Wave bands but Zep needed the orchestration for some of those songs. Kashmir is a perfect example. I would have preferred they abandoned the keys and put Jones on bass for Kashmir, would have sounded better than those crappy synths.

Give me a break, you are like the waiter that treats a table like crap the whole night and then sweetens up at the end trying to get a good tip. No sale amigo. You don't go about disrespecting people the majority of a post and then say, "agree to disagree" as if that will negate all your prior nastiness. Adios

You know Gibson, I do not insult you yet you seem to have a real problem with the opinion of others. Unless you can reply to my post like an educated, civilized adult, please do not bother. Have a great day

I believe you are missing what I am saying. Let me explain: Page beginning in 75' started to change his approach to playing in general. Page 68' - 73' was pretty much sticking with Pentatonic & blues scales for most of his structuring and then starting on HOTH to throw in a jazz scale (Dorian)in here and there (NQ). However, in his live approach beginning in 75' he begins to incorporate some pretty radical phrasings and dissonant chordings he never used before including obscure scales. I believe this was due to his attending a guitar clinic hosted by John McLaughlin in 74' who had pioneered the use of such with Miles Davis and Mahavishnu Orchestra. By 77' he was using these techniques even more, the problem was his ability to pull it off, coherently, fluidly was suffering due to his injury in 75' and later his addictions. However, on the night's he did pull it off he did indeed, IMO, play better overall than in 73' due to the greater diversity he was utilizing. A great example of this succeeding would be the 6-22-77 OTHAFA solo. I believe this is what Jimmy was trying to achieve and finally did. That is just one example, another would be his NQ solos on March 18th & 23rd 75'. Of course Tempe was a shit-show but from what I heard of Seattle, it was strong. I did not hear poor articulation or phrasing in any of the songs played in the video. The only complaints I have is TSRTS was played rather restrained by Page as well as SA, but both, IMO, were played well. I really liked his showing in both OTHAFA & NFBM. Just being honest but if you disagree, that is your right but the fact is some of those dissonant, weird runs he does beginning in 75' he was doing on purpose. If you check out McLaughlin's playing on Bitches Brew especially you will hear Mac doing similar techniques, though admittedly, in a much more coherent and focused manner. As posted above if Jimmy would have been clean, the musical direction he was going, he would have been amazing. As it was we need to remember, he has reinvented his playing style and approach three times (75', 83', and 95' to a lesser degree) which is damn impressive for any guitarist. If there is one phrase I can use to describe Jimmy, it would be always willing to take a chance in a live setting. How many professional players can make that claim?

According to Led Zeppelin: All the Songs, it is Bonham on backing vocal.

I know exactly what you mean MATE as I have seen Van Halen several times and have long tired of listening to EVH's frustrated, forced, "out of ideas" tapping and dive bombing the exact same in almost every song they play. Shit, you would think old EVH could at least change the arrangement of his solo's from time to time to sound interesting but no. Dude came up with a couple of brilliant ideas back in 77' and never changed a note. Sad.

and you have lost your mind. Jimmy was not sloppy on SA, in fact he plays the solo's cleaner on this version than most so I have no clue what the hell you keep on about. I am 50 years old, have been playing guitar since 15, and have played in several professional bands. I will be the first to point out shitty Page playing (Ft. Worth 77' a good example) but I will also point out when he plays well and the video of those four songs shows a very on point Page, especially for 77'. I cannot comment on the rest of the show (except STH which he played brilliantly), but those four songs above sounded very good. Maybe you are more of a note perfect, exactly as the records are played kinda guy and that is your right. For me, when an artist plays it exactly as on the records, that is a lame ass, lazy, safe as hell player which I have zero interest in listening to.

Yes please, PM me the link and thank you. Great job!!!

Damn, those songs are played near flawless by everyone. The only minor issue is Plant's voice cracking a few times here and there but otherwise the band is playing very well. Jimmy is playing at or above 73' level and his solos in SA, NFBM, & OTHAFA are breathtaking. The SA & NFBM solos are the best I have heard Page play those particular solos, the OTHAFA solo is almost as good as the 6-22 LA show and he does some pretty unique runs which are a true highlight, and TSRTS is played just as well, almost exactly, as done on TSRTS soundtrack. Jimmy was definitely clear and focused at the beginning of the show. Bonzo was not overplaying as he did on some night's such as 6-21 but instead played with power and finesse. I would take this version of TSRTS over 6-21 any day plus twice on Sunday. We also finally get to hear what the Alembic sounded like and was capable of. No longer does it sound twangy and flat but is rich, powerful, and fills out the sound much better than the Jazz Bass on SA & NFBM. However I do prefer the Jazz Bass for TSRTS & OTHAFA. Apart from this I have also heard STH from this show which is also a brilliant version. Unless the other tunes I have not heard are turkeys I do not understand the shit this show gets. IMO from what I have heard it is an excellent show, not a good show but an excellent show. Not just 77' excellent but the whole of Zep's career excellent. Please let me know if the rest of the show was just as strong.

Kinda difficult for one guitarist to play six guitar parts, some in different tunings, simultaneously. IMO to sound right they needed a co-lead situation / multi-instrumentalist to support both Page & Jones. Of course the Goldilocks situation would have had old Robert learn to at least play a decent rhythm guitar to fill out the sound as well. A perfect example of a relatively simple song which just never sounded right live was Sick Again. s soon as Jimmy goes into the solo the song sounds thin as hell without the rhythm guitar. I agree with that stupid three necked guitar, plus it sounded like shit compared to the 12 string Ovation he used on the first leg of the tour. It would be one thing if he used two necks for one song but all the video I have seen where Jones uses the three necked monster, he only plays one neck during a single song. I mean how hard is it to put a guitar down and pick up another between songs? It really made a difference hearing those Zep tunes with Porl (now Pearl) Thompson playing rhythm / co-lead, especially TSRTS. Big difference. Same with the Crowes. I believe we may be on the same "page" with this one

Yep, my three biggest critiques are as follows: Should have given Grant an ultimatum in 74' - Swan Song is yours to manage, don't do drugs (yes hypocritical but still an employee), we will get a new, capable road manager going forward. Should have added a second guitarist for live shows in 75' due to the overly demanding nature of post Zep IV tunes live. Demand all band members manage their "vices and be professional while on-stage." Should have gone on a several year hiatus beginning in 80' and not even have done the European tour. If Steely Dan can release albums and not tour, why not Zep? I know...never woulda happened.

I am sure he does still play, unfortunately it is only around the house and most likely acoustic only due to his worry about causing damage to his house. Sadly, I believe Jimmy is retired as a player in public. He just wants to cement the Zeppelin legacy at this point and that is truly a shame. Oh well. IMO Jimmy should get a silly wig, some Renaissance clothes, and join Ritchie Blackmore. It could be called Blackmore's Page 🙂

Or at least not without additional musicians right. WLL live I always loved and thought it just as good as the studio but different. My fav version is still Berlin 1980 as it is really unique. Achilles is a different animal altogether. I like many of the live versions and it is amazing they were able to pull it off to the degree they did knowing Jimmy used 6 different guitar parts in the studio. IMO Zep should have added a second guitarist in 75' as the studio stuff from HOTH on was usually too demanding for just three musicians and a singer to pull off live.

This we will agree to disagree as I know several jazz drummers who think Bonham a very good drummer who indeed had swing. I am not a drummer (guitar payer for 35 years) and as such I seek out the opinions of actual drummers. As most of my musical peers are jazz players they are a wealth of knowledge.

You really cannot make anyone understand if you cannot present a valid, knowledgeable argument. I respect your opinion though, just hoping for a greater technical reasoning for your position along the lines the guy in the video gave for his. Though I do have semi-controversial comment: Regarding the high business acumen both Page & Grant had, the fact that both succumbed to addiction which ultimately destroyed the band was beyond irresponsible. Sure, it was the 70's but when management goes off the rails, holy shit! 1974 and the apathetic attitude toward Swan Song was the first sign the band needed to either give Peter an ultimatum or find new management. Most are not aware but both Queen and Elvis were considered for Swan Song however both declined due to lack of follow-up by Grant. Queen in particular was very, very keen to join the label but after so many unreturned calls they moved on. SS was in the right place at the right time to either start the careers of some of music's brightest talent or take them to the next level but no, the only other act they had which really went anywhere was Bad Company. Talk about a missed opportunity. Grant's main focus from 74' on should have been Swan Song, not Zep as they had solidly made it by then. Just imagine Zep with sober, strong management from 75' on. So there is my controversial opinion, Grant was the best thing for Zeppelin from 68' - 73' and then the absolute worse thing for Zeppelin after 74'.

Please explain your statement and give detailed reasons and examples why you believe my statement was false. Here is a nice little video to substantiate my position made by an actual drummer. Enjoy:

Pretty much anything regarding live playing is really just armchair quarterbacking and has little merit. Page's playing declined because of booze & heroin, both of which explain the how and why he could suck on one song and be brilliant on the next. Booze will completely ruin any manual dexterity if you are wasted. Heroin, being an opiate comes in waves. Case in point, his screw ups in 75' were booze related, that is why he was so damn good before the drum solo and would devolve to shit after. Heroin explains 77'- 83' to a T. If he had good smack and did not take too much he played excellent. If he had sub-par smack or took too much he would be great during one song, then the next he could suck because of a heroin rush, and then back to brilliance. As for setlist, poor choices (MD & guitar solo back to back) that's easy to explain. It was 77', Plant was coked up, Page was on smack as was Bonham, and being the height of rock stardom and hedonism they all wanted some action during the show. Of course they made bad choices, so did Clapton, Bolin, Jaco, Bird, etc... the list goes on. All of them the best of the best and all of them total shit when high. I get a little tired of the critiquing of Zeppelin when other bands who did the same thing seem to get a pass. At least Zep never made racist remarks to an audience unlike Clapton and Slick. Rant over

This is an absurd statement, sorry, but true. GTBT, Royal Orleans, Hot's of for Nowhere, and FITR are just four examples of subtlety, technique, and his playing with time signatures which are up there with the best of jazz & rock drummers.

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