Anjin-san Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 >Yes, that point would have begun during the "Dark Ages" of Europe, when Islam was a shining light of medical, astronomical and mathematical knowledge. Without the Moslem preservation of the Greek classical texts, very few would have survived until today, it was the Christians who sytematically destroyed these great texts.< Not really,they survive to this day. >Guys, don't forget that the Western Media's exhibition of Islam is terribly bent and warped. It focuses on extremists in the Sunni and Shi'ite sects but ignores moderate Moslems and moderate Moslem sects, like the Sufis and the Ismailis. Most Moselms, like most Christians, don't really "practice" their religion, they pay it lip service and that's about all.< Hence the problem.Yet the Sunni and Shi'ite,like all religions seem to be in extreme,... >I'm sure most of the fellows in the Page/Plant Cairo Orchestra were ostensibly Muslims.< You know that as fact? >Oh, and if you want to hear some Led Zeppelin influenced Middle-Eastern "world music," < Zep was making -world music- before it was called that,.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reswati Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 ^^^^^^ The members of the Egyptian orchestra bear names like: Ali, Ibrahim, Mohamed which are in fact Muslim names. Hossam Ramzy is follower of scientology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anjin-san Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 [>Ibrahim< You mean Abraham,which is Hebrew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reswati Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 The arch father Abraham (Hebrew) is called Ibrahim in the Quran. If the guy in the band were Jewish his name would most logically be Abraham indeed, but the tour book lists the member by the name of Ibrahim Abdel Khalek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anjin-san Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 The arch father Abraham (Hebrew) is called Ibrahim in the Quran. If the guy in the band were Jewish is name would most logically be Abraham indeed, but the tour book lists the member by the name of Ibrahim Abdel Khalek. Try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reswati Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Try to name me some Jews or Christians called "Ibrahim", oh honorable pilot. (Lol, please meet Ibrahim Goldstein and his almost identical twin brother Mohammed Ibrahim-Isa Jones) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anjin-san Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Try to name me some Jews or Christians called "Ibrahim", oh honorable pilot. (Lol, please meet Ibrahim Goldstein and his almost identical twin brother Mohammed Ibrahim-Isa Jones) Timeline Bro? Abraham is in the Torah. You get that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beetleron Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 i'm with this guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reswati Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 I get the principle of time, and also that the name Abraham (or before that he was called Abram) was used earlier by the Jews (even though Abraham was from Ur/Mesopotamia). Yet the person who was in the Hossam Ramzy band was called "Ibrahim", which is a version of the name "Abraham" used by Muslims, not Jews and neither Christians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anjin-san Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 I get the principle of time, and also that the name Abraham (or before that he was called Abram) was used earlier by the Jews (even though Abraham was from Ur/Mesopotamia). Yet the person who was in the Hossam Ramzy band was called "Ibrahim", which is a version of the name "Abraham" used by Muslims, not Jews and neither Christians. Try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cecil. Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 The Black Marble Slab ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reswati Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Try again. Merda taurorum animas conturbit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul carruthers Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe (Liverpool) Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 I was born a Roman Catholic, but I don't believe or care about religion, it just causes friction between communities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiMiHeNdRiX1967 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 I like God, don't like the Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedZeppfan77 Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 I prefer spirituality. Religion divides people. Religion can bring people together also. So I must take you on regarding your comment. This is a land mine of a subject just like Abortion and polotics. Perhaps we should have had a poll asking if members beiieve in a higher power rather than the specific reigion they belong to? ps. In my edit I must add that now we have this gay marriage rights thing coming right at us. The election may be affected by it. Right now they say 53 percent are in favor. Up 60 percent from a few months ago. They are attributing it to the Black vote and their siding with Obama. I think it runs much deeper. Gays are coming out of the closet in hoards. . TV shows are based on it. And I believe many people have just thrown in the towel. Personally, I do not care what they do. Go get married if you wish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anjin-san Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Merda taurorum animas conturbit. "The excrement of bulls disturbs souls / throws souls into confusion" That? BTW :Abraham (Arabic: إبراهيم ʾIbrāhīm, pronounced [ʔibraːˈhiːm]) is recognized in Islam as a prophet and apostle of God and patriarch of many peoples. In Muslim belief, Abraham fulfilled all the commandments and trials which God tried him with over his lifetime. Abraham (Hebrew: אַבְרָהָם (help·info), Modern: Avraham, Tiberian: ʼAḇrāhām, Ashkenazi Avrohom or Avruhom, Arabic: إبراهيم Ibrāhīm, Ge'ez:አብርሃም ʼAbrəham, Greek: Aβραάμ, Russian: Авраам), whose birth name was Abram, is the eponym of the Abrahamic religions, among which are Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAS Posted May 23, 2012 Author Share Posted May 23, 2012 ^ I was curious about the particular religion. Plus if I just put in "Higher Power" someone would get offended for referring to their religion or deity in a lump with all the others and say something about it or threaten to jihad and we'd have a bigger argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAS Posted May 23, 2012 Author Share Posted May 23, 2012 ^ I was curious about the particular religion. Plus if I just put in "Higher Power" someone would get offended for referring to their religion or deity in a lump with all the others and say something about it or threaten to jihad and we'd have a bigger argument. This was pointed at LedZeppFan77 but someone else posted while I was typing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sagittarius Rising Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 "The excrement of bulls disturbs souls / throws souls into confusion" That? BTW :Abraham (Arabic: إبراهيم ʾIbrāhīm, pronounced [ʔibraːˈhiːm]) is recognized in Islam as a prophet and apostle of God and patriarch of many peoples. In Muslimbelief, Abraham fulfilled all the commandments and trials which God tried him with over his lifetime. Abraham (Hebrew: אַבְרָהָם (help·info), Modern: Avraham, Tiberian: ʼAḇrāhām, AshkenaziAvrohom or Avruhom, Arabic: إبراهيم Ibrāhīm, Ge'ez:አብርሃምʼAbrəham, Greek: Aβραάμ, Russian: Авраам), whose birth name was Abram, is the eponym of the Abrahamic religions, among which are Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Great job there buddy, you made Reswati's point for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anjin-san Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Yet the person who was in the Hossam Ramzy band was called "Ibrahim", which is a version of the name "Abraham" used by Muslims, not Jews and neither Christians. I did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reswati Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 I did? Yes, thanks. Bighugwithoutlatinphrases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anjin-san Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Nope,and where was the Latin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reswati Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Lol, unthankful brat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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