Cactus Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 When was this first incorporated into Dazed? I am mostly interested in the guitar part but lyrics as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattmc1973 Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 It wasn't played in the summer '72 tour, as it is absent on HTWWW, nor did it appear in Japan in October. According to Undeground Uprising website, it appeared on Dec 17, 1972 in Birmingham, England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cactus Posted April 8, 2008 Author Share Posted April 8, 2008 It wasn't played in the summer '72 tour, as it is absent on HTWWW, nor did it appear in Japan in October. According to Undeground Uprising website, it appeared on Dec 17, 1972 in Birmingham, England. But it's not on the Dec 16th show or any before it? Hmmm I will have to track it down. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mos6507 Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 It wasn't played in the summer '72 tour, as it is absent on HTWWW, nor did it appear in Japan in October. According to Undeground Uprising website, it appeared on Dec 17, 1972 in Birmingham, England. Is there a boot of that? I'd be interested in hearing how it first popped in and how developed it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cactus Posted April 8, 2008 Author Share Posted April 8, 2008 Is there a boot of that? I'd be interested in hearing how it first popped in and how developed it was. Yes, according to the Concert files Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eternal light Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 It had to be sometime after 1966 because "San Francisco (Be Sure to Wear Flowers in Your Hair)", a song written by John Phillips of The Mamas & the Papas to promote the June 16 to June 18, 1967 Monterey Pop Festival, and sung by Scott McKenzie, was first released in 1967. By 1973, Led Zeppelin's reworked version of the Holmes song Dazed and Confused featured lyrics sung by Robert Plant from either Scott McKenzie's "San Francisco" or Joni Mitchell's "Woodstock" during the transition part of the song. Page asked Plant to join the band in August of 1968. Matt's mention that Underground Uprising says the lyrics appeared on Dec 17, 1972 in Birmingham, England makes sense. There could have been an earlier appearance near October, 1968 when Jimmy Page re-worked Holmes' song Dazed and Confused. Alex Reisner lists tour dates from September 14, 1968 onward for the New Yardbirds; it's possible Dazed and Confused may appear in the setlists; the San Francisco lyrics probably appeared sometime between September, 1968-December 1973, an approximate 5 year interval. Reisner's earliest setlist is from January 10, 1969 at the Fillmore West, San Francisco, California, which featured Dazed And Confused; Plant may have included Phillips lyrics sung by McKenzie at this point to relate the song to the location. I'm guessing the Philips-McKenzie lyrics may have first appeared in Led Zeppelin's Dazed and Confused during one of the San Francisco shows. Reisner also indicates Led Zeppelin performed in San Francisco on January 9, 1969 at the Fillmore, so it could have been then. Any bootlegs from that period might clarify the if and when. Wiki indicates The Rising of The Zeppelin: Recorded at the Fillmore West, San Francisco, January 9th, 1969; original LP was released in red, green and blue. My best guess is the Philips-McKenzie lyrics sung by Robert Plant may have first appeared in Led Zeppelin's Dazed and Confused on January 9, 1969 at the Fillmore West, San Francisco. Here is a link to a recording of Dazed and Confused from the January 11, 1969 San Francisco date courtesy of Matt and Mike, earfarm.blogspot.com; I haven't listened to it yet. Scroll down to Dazed and Confused; it's in mp3 format. Sources: ledzeppelin.alexreisner.com/tourdates, earfarm.blogspot.com, wikipedia, www.mp3.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattmc1973 Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 ^ Uh, yeah, I'd say since Led Zeppelin didn't exist until late '68, that's a safe bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatbo Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 It wasn't played in the summer '72 tour, as it is absent on HTWWW, nor did it appear in Japan in October. According to Undeground Uprising website, it appeared on Dec 17, 1972 in Birmingham, England. they definitely played it at the alexandra palace in london on 12/22. there was a vinyl bootleg of it ("alexandra palace"), but i've never heard (or seen)the cd boot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattmc1973 Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 You can check the setlists of all the known boots here, and on Dazed it will say something like "includes 'San Francisco'"... http://uuweb.led-zeppelin.us/1972.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cactus Posted April 16, 2008 Author Share Posted April 16, 2008 I can confirm it was played on the 1972-12-08 Manchester show. According to the Concert File, the Glasgow show (1972-12-04) still included The Crunge. There is only one other show 1972-12-07 between then and the recorded Manchester show, so I would hazard a guess and say that Manchester is possibly the first occurrence. There is no known recording for the 12-07 show. I will attempt to find the Glasgow show then, and this mystery could be solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knebby Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 ^ Uh, yeah, I'd say since Led Zeppelin didn't exist until late '68, that's a safe bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eternal light Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 ^ Uh, yeah, I'd say since Led Zeppelin didn't exist until late '68, that's a safe bet. Is it really? I'm not saying the San Francisco shows were important or anything, especially in view of what happens in Nashville and a few other places. Not that it matters; after all it's only Led Zeppelin, a fleeting memory. But then again, the band was actually hot, or excuse me, in the words of Robert Plant "white hot" in those days, again not that it matters. It's just one of those things that was meant to be forgotten I guess. Fortunately, there is Nashville. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattmc1973 Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Is it really? I'm not saying the San Francisco shows were important or anything, especially in view of what happens in Nashville and a few other places. Not that it matters; after all it's only Led Zeppelin, a fleeting memory. But then again, the band was actually hot, or excuse me, in the words of Robert Plant "white hot" in those days, again not that it matters. It's just one of those things that was meant to be forgotten I guess. Fortunately, there is Nashville. What?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eternal light Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 What?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattmc1973 Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Roll your eyes if you want, but I'm serious, I have NO idea what you're talking about... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eternal light Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Roll your eyes if you want, but I'm serious, I have NO idea what you're talking about... I have no idea what you're talking about, so that makes two of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jsj Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Is it really? I'm not saying the San Francisco shows were important or anything, especially in view of what happens in Nashville and a few other places. Not that it matters; after all it's only Led Zeppelin, a fleeting memory. But then again, the band was actually hot, or excuse me, in the words of Robert Plant "white hot" in those days, again not that it matters. It's just one of those things that was meant to be forgotten I guess. Fortunately, there is Nashville. eh???!! i really dont follow this at all. i'd love to know what you're trying to say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eternal light Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 eh???!! i really dont follow this at all. i'd love to know what you're trying to say About the lyrics that Robert Plant sang from the song that John Phillips wrote for Scott McKenzie about San Francisco that premiered at the Monterey Pop Festival that was held in June, 1967? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsj Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Is it really? I'm not saying the San Francisco shows were important or anything, especially in view of what happens in Nashville and a few other places. Not that it matters; after all it's only Led Zeppelin, a fleeting memory. But then again, the band was actually hot, or excuse me, in the words of Robert Plant "white hot" in those days, again not that it matters. It's just one of those things that was meant to be forgotten I guess. Fortunately, there is Nashville. i know what the topic is about. what i didnt understand is what your reply to mattmc73 means Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eternal light Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 i know what the topic is about. what i didnt understand is what your reply to mattmc73 means Which part? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsj Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Which part? "I'm not saying the San Francisco shows were important or anything, especially in view of what happens in Nashville and a few other places. Not that it matters; after all it's only Led Zeppelin, a fleeting memory. But then again, the band was actually hot, or excuse me, in the words of Robert Plant "white hot" in those days, again not that it matters. It's just one of those things that was meant to be forgotten I guess. Fortunately, there is Nashville." that part. all of it, but particularly nashville, and what's meant to be forgotten? and why doesnt it matter? your truly, well and truly perplexed of tunbridge wells Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eternal light Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 "I'm not saying the San Francisco shows were important or anything, especially in view of what happens in Nashville and a few other places. Not that it matters; after all it's only Led Zeppelin, a fleeting memory. But then again, the band was actually hot, or excuse me, in the words of Robert Plant "white hot" in those days, again not that it matters. It's just one of those things that was meant to be forgotten I guess. Fortunately, there is Nashville." that part. all of it, but particularly nashville, and what's meant to be forgotten? and why doesnt it matter? your truly, well and truly perplexed of tunbridge wells Nashville is pretty important, but then it usually is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsj Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Nashville is pretty important, but then it usually is. crystal clear. a superb expansion upon your earlier point. nashville it is then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eternal light Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 crystal clear. a superb expansion upon your earlier point. nashville it is then. Except the lyrics in the song are about San Francisco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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