That's right, it's a question of costs vs benefits. The skeptics regard this disease as not posing such a threat to society that mass medication with an experimental vaccine (and it's not actually a vaccine, ask the FDA) is justified. Adding to the skepticism is the fact that the vaccine makers are shielded from liability and propaganda must be employed to convince people to take it. It's fine if you disagree, but it's hardly an unreasonable position.

So, you understand the long-term effects of an untested vaccine simply from the ease of the procedure?

I've always loved the Boston show, despite the somewhat poor recording and crowd problems. Shows how on top of their game they were in July '73. And I've always thought the story around the cancelled '75 show was funny, even though it really wasn't very cool: Led Zeppelin Riot, Banned in Boston (celebrateboston.com)

Americans waste too much time watching sports (instead of, you know, actually participating in them, exercising, staying healthy etc.), so I can only hope things like this (it won't be just the Bills requiring it) are another nail in professional sports leagues' coffins. There's a big difference between mandating vaccines that have been thoroughly and reliably tested for diseases that (historically at least) pose a significant threat to the general population, in particular the young (who are the future after all), vs. the hysteria over covid, where a highly experimental vaccine (with liability granted to the pharmaceutical companies) being rushed out onto populations who face very little serious risk from the disease (particularly the young). At any rate, I doubt this will be done by an official legal mandate. It will be "privatized" through big corporations who are in league with the State (Big Finance depends on its life through the permanent bailouts of Central Bank machinations). Quite "liberal" and "progressive".

You're kidding me, right? Here's but two examples from just this week: https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/police-can-stop-anyone-just-for-being-outside-inside-ontarios-harsh-new-lockdown-measures https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2021/april/canadian-church-gracelife-alberta-closed-barricade-covid.html Basically, police state tactics (where the citizen must justify their activities to the police without any notion of reasonable suspicion) in response to what is, for the vast bulk of the population, a severe flu bug. Certainly, the political class supporting these measures don't seem to take the threat very seriously themselves, as they've been repeatedly busted violating their own dictates. I guess I could also mention the lockdowns which have destroyed the livelihoods of millions (except of course big business, always amusing to see those who style themselves political liberals defend the very worst excesses of crony capitalism), and the proposed introduction of internal ("vaccine") passports like the old Soviet Union. These all amount to effective bans on citizens organizing, protesting and communicating collectively, the very antithesis of a free and open society. Not to mention the effective deferral of public policy to a permanent, un-elected bureaucracy (e.g. hacks like Fauci who make arbitrary, ever-changing rationalizations for continuing the lockdowns). I am shocked that you actually believe that this virus poses such a threat that these measures are somehow deemed reasonable. Just doing what you're told, I guess?

And they were just as valid then as they were now. Do you realize the lethality #'s for the Spanish flu far, far exceeded anything even current governments are claiming about Covid-19, and the current response is far more draconian than anything the governments of 1918 (already empowered by war-time measures) implemented? This doesn't even quality as apples vs oranges, I'm afraid.

That's right (Zep and Sabbath are my two favorite bands, in that order). I probably should've chosen John Henry Osbourne, but oh well.

If they ever released the legendary jam w/Zep which likely happened during the Sabbath, Bloody Sabbath sessions (well, not so much a jam as noodling about in the studio, but still), that would be big news.

That's fine, but it seems like the pro-vaccination side here is far less civil than the anti-. (I'm not particularly religious so I have no real position on this aspect.) This is unavoidably a very controversial subject (mass medication with an untested vaccination [and it doesn't even qualify technically or legally as that], wide-scale suppression of economic activity and civil liberties, etc., all in response to a virus with a tiny death rate [0.3%] outside of nursing homes, it poses very little threat to the vast bulk of the population). It's being sold as a public health measure, so apart from the question of costs vs benefits, there also has to be discussion around who's doing the selling. If people want to discuss it, they need to be prepared to see positions that diverge from their own, not sit in an echo chamber. Otherwise just turn this thread into a poll (who's gotten/who hasn't, etc.). Maybe your real problem here is with the moderators?

Ah yes, tolerance and commitment to open debate on full display here, I see. Speaks volumes, truly.

Probably he's over-exposed, but I can think of worse people the media could anoint as the go-to guy for hard rock/metal related things, he's got good taste in music, e.g.: Probot - Probot (Full Album) - YouTube

Anyone who thinks this is ending any time soon is simply delusional. Pfizer CEO says third Covid vaccine dose likely needed within 12 months (cnbc.com)

Not just the US, but even the cucked and captive populations of Western Europe are pushing back against all of this. (Which probably explains in part why, less than three months back in power, the US Deep State is trying to start war on three fronts.)

This kind of thing is always exciting news, but it doesn't look like the Sabotage reissue will have as many goodies as the Vol. 4 reissue.

England and Wales showing negative excess deaths: • Excess deaths in England and Wales 2021 | Statista Hmm, I don't suppose whatever this thing is, it simply accelerated deaths of people who would have soon died anyway?

https://www.deconstructingconventional.com/post/18-reason-i-won-t-be-getting-a-covid-vaccine

DARPA Is Working On An Implantable Microchip To Detect Virus | ZeroHedge

I would do: 1. Offenburg 2. Vienna 3. Hamburg 4. Essen 5. Berlin 6. Munich 7. Lyon 8. Nancy 9-10. Paris 11. Nuremburg 12. Stockholm

Yes, the 17th is an underrated/overlooked version, much like the show as a whole.

That kind of explains its appeal to me as well. When I started getting into Zep bootlegs in the early 90's, '75 shows were hard to find, for a while all I had for NQ was the cut Dallas version, Earl's Court (May 24th), and the Feb 12th MSG show. When I got this LA show, I was blown away by how different it was. Not long after I got the famous Seattle show and I could better see the evolution of the song, but the March 25th version will always have an edge in sentimental value.

Just listened to Baton Rouge, should probably give it more credit than I have, it's a nice, compact version (19 minutes being compact for '75).

Been revisiting a lot of these, I have to say, the March 27th LA version really is very good, it deserves to come up a few slots, definitely above both Dallas versions in my rankings.

Whole Lotta Love. I was already into hard rock like AC/DC and Van Halen, but after hearing WLL I instantly knew Zep was special.

Sure. He obviously uses the strat on the 23rd, but is it certain he also uses it on the 18th? I've seen this claimed many times, but I can't really hear it (nothing obvious like tremolo on the 23rd).

I think the jazz/piano comments above nicely explain why I don't love the Earl's Court versions like I do Feb/Mar. Earl's Court doesn't have the jazzy feel of the West Coast, but it also lacks the dark feel from the first leg of the tour. The Earl's Court versions are still great and very much worth listening too, just not as good as the US versions earlier in the year.