H. E. Pennypacker Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Does anyone else think they should have just scrapped Hot Dog off ITTOD and put Darlene instead? It's gold, and clearly a better song than Hot Dog. It was recorded at the ITTOD sessions. No clue why they left it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matjaz1 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Well if you think they made a mistake, you got the answer! Welcome to the forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sathington Willoughby Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 No way! Hot Dog is awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matjaz1 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Yeah, it's more worked out arrangement wise and it has got a very strong chorus! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sathington Willoughby Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Yeah, it's more worked out arrangement wise and it has got a very strong chorus! I'll say it again, it's a very fun song to play on guitar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Does anyone else think they should have just scrapped Hot Dog off ITTOD and put Darlene instead? It's gold, and clearly a better song than Hot Dog. It was recorded at the ITTOD sessions. No clue why they left it out. Because it's not as good as you think. It has some moments, but it's clumsy and doesn't groove nearly as well as "Hot Dog" and "South Bound Saurez". It's clearly a work-in-progress, as most of the other ITTOD sessions-era stuff on Coda are. The only Coda song that warrants a place on ITTOD is "Wearing and Tearing". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Other than the early tracks (I Can't Quit You, We're Gonna Groove & Poor Tom) Darlene is easily my favourite song on Coda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matjaz1 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 I like it too, it's cool how Robert repeats 'and I love you' at the end , it gets more and more intense and Jonesy's soloing on piano with the chords! Great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles J. White Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Does anyone else think they should have just scrapped Hot Dog off ITTOD and put Darlene instead? It's gold, and clearly a better song than Hot Dog. It was recorded at the ITTOD sessions. No clue why they left it out. NO FUCKING WAY!!! Hot Dog is a GREAT tune, but it would have been cool if they had simply added an additional track to the album which in this case would have been Darlene assuming they would have had time to finish it the way they wanted it to sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Lord Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 No. They got the track arrangement for ITTOD just right. The only ITTOD outtake that isn't semi-disposable is Wearin' and Tearin'. Although I am very appreciative of Ozone Baby and Darlene, I can easily see why they did not make the final cut. Hot Dog is a Zeppelin masterpiece, and a test of people's true appreciation of their diversity. Such an amazing little ditty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi_Zep_Fan87 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Oh Christ! Hell NO! Please! Let ITTOD stay the way it is, OK? "Darlene" is an OK song, in my book. I like the guitar riffs but I'm not crazy about it. "Hot Dog" (as I mentioned earlier in another thread) just screams fun and makes a bold album like ITTOD, all the more unique! Apart from other gems like "South Bound Suarez", "Fool In The Rain" and "Carouselambra", "Hot Dog" is definitely one of the essential elements of ITTOD! The album itself will end up getting terribly botched up, if "Hot Dog" was replaced by "Darlene". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul carruthers Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 I love ITTOD, and I've expressed my love for that album in other threads... but, I've always felt that if I had to take one track away from ITTOD and replace it with a CODA track, I might substitute South Bound Saurez for Darlene... Maybe it's just me who feels that way. And as much as I love the bassline for Ozone Baby, I'm not sure if there's a place for that song on ITTOD. I feel the same way about Wearing and Tearing.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NealR2000 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 I actually like Hot Dog but I can see why some fans didn't care for it at the time, and also why it had no live performance future in any of the future Zep and solo ventures. It seems to have been a song that meant a lot to them at the time. I recall the grins and fun the band had with it at the Knebworth shows where they showcased it. It comes across as very Robert and we know how he, more than any of them, went with these fleeting musical impulses of the time. Robert was certainly the ever-onward driver of the band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chef free Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 I really like ll three of the ITTOD session outtakes but I wouldn't want to change the original album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirchzep27 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 I could see Darlene working on the record. But I think Darlene, fool in the rain and south bound suarez would gel too well together, would create too much flow for the record...although ofcourse there's carouselambra on there...so we are not talking about an album of symmetry anyway. I sorta see hot dog like the crunge...something weird and cool, a disjointed flow to the listening experience...while adding a fun factor to a record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike S Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 i personally think Hot Dog is a lot of fun, i think i would have left it on, but the neat part is that perhaps with the new remasters we get to see what the the bands take on this question is -M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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