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Led Zeppelin vs The Who

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I never said anyone on here is an idiot at all and thanks for pointing out my spelling mistakes. I am partially sighted so mistakes like that occasionally happen.

There is also nothing wrong with a debate about bands and music, and people should not get offended by it. Lots of my friends can't stand The Who and I respect their opinion. At the end of the day what we like and dislike is all subjective, and no one is really right or wrong.

I passionately care about music and love to have debates about it, as I am sure you all do on here. My favourite band is The Who and most of us know that the last great thing they did was Quadrophenia. Anything after that is almost cringe worthy to say the least.

They should also have called it quits when Keith Moon died and at least Led Zep had the good grace to call it a day, instead of limping on like The Who did to such embarrassing effect in the 1980s and beyond.

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I don't like Led Zepplin for many reasons. I have stated my opinion as to why. They have stolen a lot of songs from other people without acknowledgement.

If you really know about music then you would know this or perhaps you are burying your head in the sand. You say I am only 17 Wrong. You say I have a lot to listen too. Perhaps I do. I have spent nearly 30 years collecting records so think I can form an opinion on Led Zepplin.

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I did not say you were 17, that post was a reply to 'Stairway is NOT stolen's' comment..............as for the rest of your post, well I am well informed on the history of LZ, 40+ years listening/reading has seen to that.

Edited to add. Thanks Sathington, I had not refreshed the page, so I did not see your response.

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Although I like the (T)Who, they pale in comparison to Zeppelin on ALLLLLLLLLL levels.

Fixed that for you.

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Are these really the most thought provoking songs you could post on here? They sound pleasant enough but the last one in particular sounds like an English folk ballad, which is no bad thing I have to say.

Led Zep divide opinion and fans of the band blindingly think they are the best band ever. To the rest of us they are derivative and several court cases have proved this as Led Zep have tried quietly to pay off those whose music they did not acknowledge in the first place. I love the lyrics to 'That's The Way', especially the following thought provoking couplet, which must have taken ages to write.

That's the way...
That's the way it oughtta be
Oh don't you know now, mama said..
That's the way it's gonna stay, yeah.

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Are these really the most thought provoking songs you could post on here? They sound pleasant enough but the last one in particular sounds like an English folk ballad, which is no bad thing I have to say.

Led Zep divide opinion and fans of the band blindingly think they are the best band ever. To the rest of us they are derivative and several court cases have proved this as Led Zep have tried quietly to pay off those whose music they did not acknowledge in the first place. I love the lyrics to 'That's The Way', especially the following thought provoking couplet, which must have taken ages to write.

That's the way...

That's the way it oughtta be

Oh don't you know now, mama said..

That's the way it's gonna stay, yeah.

As opposed to these eloquent lyrics:

"I Can't Explain"

Got a feeling inside (Can't explain)

It's a certain kind (Can't explain)

I feel hot and cold (Can't explain)

Yeah, down in my soul, yeah (Can't explain)

I said (Can't explain)

I'm feeling good now, yeah, but (Can't explain)

Dizzy in the head and I'm feeling blue

The things you've said, well, maybe they're true

I'm gettin' funny dreams again and again

I know what it means, but

Can't explain

I think it's love

Try to say it to you

When I feel blue

But I can't explain (Can't explain)

Yeah, hear what I'm saying, girl (Can't explain)

Dizzy in the head and I'm feeling bad

The things you've said have got me real mad

I'm gettin' funny dreams again and again

I know what it means but

Can't explain

I think it's love

Try to say it to you

When I feel blue

But I can't explain (Can't explain)

Forgive me one more time, now (Can't explain)

I said I can't explain, yeah

You drive me out of my mind

Yeah, I'm the worrying kind, babe

I said I can't explain

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I've never bought into this Band A vs. Band B rubbish. It's so high school. I like both bands. Having said this I don't think The Who fans vs. Led Zeppelin fans is one-sided. IMO, certain Who fans buy into it as much as certain Zep fans.

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Are these really the most thought provoking songs you could post on here? They sound pleasant enough but the last one in particular sounds like an English folk ballad, which is no bad thing I have to say.

Led Zep divide opinion and fans of the band blindingly think they are the best band ever. To the rest of us they are derivative and several court cases have proved this as Led Zep have tried quietly to pay off those whose music they did not acknowledge in the first place. I love the lyrics to 'That's The Way', especially the following thought provoking couplet, which must have taken ages to write.

That's the way...

That's the way it oughtta be

Oh don't you know now, mama said..

That's the way it's gonna stay, yeah.

BTW are lyrics the only thing that constitute good music to you? Don't even start with instrumentation...

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Sathington you do not seem to have an informed opinion. So you pull The Who's first single I Can't Explain as an example of what you consider poor song writing. Of course Townshend was capable of writing throw away pop ditties, however, Led Zep padded out their albums with lots of Blues derivative filler and Pseudo intellectual occult nonsense.

They are plagiarists and they will soon be in court again.

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Sathington you do not seem to have an informed opinion. So you pull The Who's first single I Can't Explain as an example of what you consider poor song writing. Of course Townshend was capable of writing throw away pop ditties, however, Led Zep padded out their albums with lots of Blues derivative filler and Pseudo intellectual occult nonsense.

They are plagiarists and they will soon be in court again.

:rolleyes: Ok guy, you win. Thanks for putting me in my place! :bravo::notworthy::wave::shifty:

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Don't even start with instrumentation...

Why?

Moon and Entwistle are at a level that John and JPJ , as respectable as they are , have never reached .... and in my opinion , John and JPJ are the two most creative tasty forces Zeppelin has to offer.

Tommy and Quadrophenia are musically brilliant at a level far more original and creative than anything Zeppelin has to offer in comparison from there 9 disc catalog .... separating both Roger and Pete from the likes of a Plant or Page.

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Seeing as that you are only seventeen years old, for that "You Are Forgiven" (get it ?) You have a lot to listen to....May I ask how can there be ANY Led Zeppelin songs you don't like ?.

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Although I like the (T)Who, they pale in comparison to Zeppelin on SOOOOOO many levels.

How true

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I had to register on this site because Led Zepplin fans always provide me with a laugh. This non-stop comparing between the stodgy Led Zepplin and The Who is unbelievable. Why do Led Zep fans feel in so much competition with The Who?

Could it be that Keith Moon and John Entwhistle came up with the name Led Zepplin, when Page approached them about forming a band in 1968?

Led Zepplin are essentially a blue-based band whose albums are full of filler. Some of the comments I have seen on here about Led Zep being great song writers can only come from people who have no knowledge of the obscure sources that Led Zep stole most of their songs from without giving due credit or royalties to the originators of most of their songs.

It is a well-known fact that Led Zep purloined most of their songs from Howlin Wolf, Robert Johnson, Muddy Waters etc. However, Led Zep fans either do not know their musical history or choose to ignore this fact.

Arguably Led Zep’s greatest song Stairway to Heaven’s guitar intro was stolen from Spirit’s, Taurus. Led Zep toured with them in 1968 and Jimmy Page lifted the guitar riff without any acknowledgment of the source. Have a listen to Jack Jake Holmes’s Dazed and Confused and you would have to be deaf to not hear what Led Zep have done here. Jack Jake Holmes filed a lawsuit against Led Zep along with countless others over the years about Led Zep’s plagiarism.

This has never happened to The Who. The Who are originators and never sounded like they wanted to be a pseudo American blues based band. Pete Townshend was one of the most thoughtful, insightful and provocative songwriters of his time. Tommy and Quadrophenia for example, were concepts albums with a linear narrative that were eventually transferred to the big screen.

The Who released arguably the greatest live album of them all, Live at Leeds. Led Zep fans even have to compare John Bonham with Keith Moon and not surprisingly in their biased opinion Bonham comes out on top. Was Bonham really that good? The only argument Led Zep fans can put up is that he was a heavy hitter on the skins. But really he was a solid drummer and no more than that. You seriously can’t put him in the same league as brilliantly original drummers in the rock canon like Keith Moon, Mitch Mitchell and Ginger Baker.

Anyway that is enough from me. As soon as I have posted my thoughts I will close my account on this Led Zep site.

Oh just one more thing.

Led Zep’ so called classic Whole Lotta Love opening lyrics are as follows

You need coolin', baby, I'm not foolin',

I'm gonna send you back to schoolin',

Way down inside honey, you need it,

I'm gonna give you my love,

I'm gonna give you my love.

Haha, such thoughtful and insightful lyrics these.

The Who and Pete Townshend meanwhile.

We'll be fighting in the streets

With our children at our feet

And the morals that they worship will be gone

And the men who spurred us on

Sit in judgement of all wrong

They decide and the shotgun sings the song.

Won't Get Fooled Again.

The Who will always be more culturally significant than Led Zepplin for many reasons, including the fact that Pete Townshend was a brilliant songwriter, who tapped into a peculiarly British sensibility. Townshend was one of the most intriguing and original writers of the 60s and 70s. Townshend had a relentless stream of ideas, and was able to pick a towering guitar riff out of the air at will. Townshend gave voice to teenage angst with a myriad of great songs in which Led Zep or rather Jimmy Page could only dream about writing. Led Zep songs sang at you and The Who's songs sang to you and about you.

Fuck off you twat, this is a Led Zeppelin forum, if ya think Zep were thieves and shite, go on the The Who forum and debate Peter Townsend's surfing of the internet - maybe Peter Townsend and Gary Glitter can get into a debate with each other...

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Fuck off you twat, this is a Led Zeppelin forum, if ya think Zep were thieves and shite, go on the The Who forum and debate Peter Townsend's surfing of the internet - maybe Peter Townsend and Gary Glitter can get into a debate with each other...

ha! I thought about going there but didn't, he probably would've responded with a Lori Maddox reference. Oh well, looks like he was a man of his word and left. Hopefully...

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I had to register on this site because Led Zepplin fans always provide me with a laugh. This non-stop comparing between the stodgy Led Zepplin and The Who is unbelievable. Why do Led Zep fans feel in so much competition with The Who?

Could it be that Keith Moon and John Entwhistle came up with the name Led Zepplin, when Page approached them about forming a band in 1968?

Led Zepplin are essentially a blue-based band whose albums are full of filler. Some of the comments I have seen on here about Led Zep being great song writers can only come from people who have no knowledge of the obscure sources that Led Zep stole most of their songs from without giving due credit or royalties to the originators of most of their songs.

It is a well-known fact that Led Zep purloined most of their songs from Howlin Wolf, Robert Johnson, Muddy Waters etc. However, Led Zep fans either do not know their musical history or choose to ignore this fact.

Arguably Led Zep’s greatest song Stairway to Heaven’s guitar intro was stolen from Spirit’s, Taurus. Led Zep toured with them in 1968 and Jimmy Page lifted the guitar riff without any acknowledgment of the source. Have a listen to Jack Jake Holmes’s Dazed and Confused and you would have to be deaf to not hear what Led Zep have done here. Jack Jake Holmes filed a lawsuit against Led Zep along with countless others over the years about Led Zep’s plagiarism.

This has never happened to The Who. The Who are originators and never sounded like they wanted to be a pseudo American blues based band. Pete Townshend was one of the most thoughtful, insightful and provocative songwriters of his time. Tommy and Quadrophenia for example, were concepts albums with a linear narrative that were eventually transferred to the big screen.

The Who released arguably the greatest live album of them all, Live at Leeds. Led Zep fans even have to compare John Bonham with Keith Moon and not surprisingly in their biased opinion Bonham comes out on top. Was Bonham really that good? The only argument Led Zep fans can put up is that he was a heavy hitter on the skins. But really he was a solid drummer and no more than that. You seriously can’t put him in the same league as brilliantly original drummers in the rock canon like Keith Moon, Mitch Mitchell and Ginger Baker.

Anyway that is enough from me. As soon as I have posted my thoughts I will close my account on this Led Zep site.

Oh just one more thing.

Led Zep’ so called classic Whole Lotta Love opening lyrics are as follows

You need coolin', baby, I'm not foolin',

I'm gonna send you back to schoolin',

Way down inside honey, you need it,

I'm gonna give you my love,

I'm gonna give you my love.

Haha, such thoughtful and insightful lyrics these.

The Who and Pete Townshend meanwhile.

We'll be fighting in the streets

With our children at our feet

And the morals that they worship will be gone

And the men who spurred us on

Sit in judgement of all wrong

They decide and the shotgun sings the song.

Won't Get Fooled Again.

The Who will always be more culturally significant than Led Zepplin for many reasons, including the fact that Pete Townshend was a brilliant songwriter, who tapped into a peculiarly British sensibility. Townshend was one of the most intriguing and original writers of the 60s and 70s. Townshend had a relentless stream of ideas, and was able to pick a towering guitar riff out of the air at will. Townshend gave voice to teenage angst with a myriad of great songs in which Led Zep or rather Jimmy Page could only dream about writing. Led Zep songs sang at you and The Who's songs sang to you and about you.

There's always that guy. He even had to sign up for the forums :bubble:

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zeppelin has so much more talent their songs powerful and meaningful to lifes journey

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There's always that guy. He even had to sign up for the forums :bubble:

He must have been bored or had a day off or something, he was lurking in here all day waiting for victims lol.

Greg-Luzniak-Baby-Gruff-and-Troll-Three-

zeppelin has so much more talent their songs powerful and meaningful to lifes journey

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Fuck off you twat, this is a Led Zeppelin forum, if ya think Zep were thieves and shite, go on the The Who forum and debate Peter Townsend's surfing of the internet - maybe Peter Townsend and Gary Glitter can get into a debate with each other...

Interesting comment , yet not relevant in anyway.

The gentleman was probably searching through different musical forums , very common amongst fans of good music , saw a thread comparing his favorite band against Zeppelin , and read what he found to be utter non sense , and responded.

As for the Townsend comment , that again is irrelevant , has nothing to do with music and creativity , where as Zeppelin's very well documented lack of credibility in some of there song writing , is extremely relevant.

I will say this , Page's enormous love for his at times borrowed music , allows him to create some true magic out of other people's music , that may not have been all the listenable without Jimmy's talented touch.

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Interesting comment , yet not relevant in anyway.

The gentleman was probably searching through different musical forums , very common amongst fans of good music , saw a thread comparing his favorite band against Zeppelin , and read what he found to be utter non sense , and responded.

As for the Townsend comment , that again is irrelevant , has nothing to do with music and creativity , where as Zeppelin's very well documented lack of credibility in some of there song writing , is extremely relevant.

I will say this , Page's enormous love for his at times borrowed music , allows him to create some true magic out of other people's music , that may not have been all the listenable without Jimmy's talented touch.

Well seeing you called it irrelevant ... allegations of a musical genius surfing kiddie porn for research or whatever have to be taken far more seriously than another musical genius not crediting an obscure music source from 1928 or 1968.. They're not even in the same ballpark..

One act is worthy of a cash settlement and some embarrassment ...

The other act is worthy of 10 years in jail and your name being mud for all eternity.

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Well seeing you called it irrelevant ... allegations of a musical genius surfing kiddie porn for research or whatever have to be taken far more seriously than another musical genius not crediting an obscure music source from 1928 or 1968.. They're not even in the same ballpark..

One act is worthy of a cash settlement and some embarrassment ...

The other act is worthy of 10 years in jail and your name being mud for all eternity.

Oh so true. It just shows how intimidating Page is to many people. His brilliance makes him a target; not Townshend though. He's never been a contender as "the greatest". He was a solid entertainer, but far from great.

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