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  1. Mithril46

    Eddie Van Halen slamming Page

    Well this just shows how chaotic the "bootleg world" can be, interesting stuff I and many others had probably not known. Also even Zep had to use audience shot footage in the HTWWW at points. Without boots and all these smoke and mirrors scenarios, you'd lose a lot of fun and adventure, and probably some cash on unscrupulous operators.
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    Eddie Van Halen slamming Page

    Page was known to be a bit inconsistent even at excellent/great shows. First Eddie said Jimmy played like he had broken fingers. Although around the same time EVH did mention Zep l and Zep ll were great albums. Later on as I said Eddie did praise Page as a visionary if a bit erratic technically. Also, it's rock solid that no one except Millard ever heard the 6/21/77 show before the "official release" in 83'-84' ? Of course Millard is the man, but you're talking underground and bootleg stuff. I'm sure some bootleg fans don't even realize that in Zep's time the original sources for shows were small tape recorders, ?? small reel to reels ??, a few boards, and taping a vinyl boot !!!( possible EQ tweaks, fake stereo, noise reduction, blah, blah.). So when was "Destroyer"(the 27th, a weak show) officially released ? I saw it in a few record stores and flea markets, 4-disc vinyl set. Strider by the way made some excellent points, some of these shows were circulating not that much later than the shows themselves.
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    Eddie Van Halen slamming Page

    I just have to point something out in case it's not known. I have a few EVH interviews from the late 80's on, and Eddie doesn't quite take back his earlier statements. But he does say he would love to get inside Jimmy's brain to see how he came up with his brilliant compositions, and also says when Jimmy solos, he speaks. But then Eddie says Jimmy also doesn't always pull off or execute his ideas live, and to some degree I think Eddie has a point. Interestingly enough, although Eddie has incredible chops, if you listen to early live VH boots, Eddie often plays incredibly raw AND sometimes has to cut a solo short to get back to the song, just like Jimmy sometimes.
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    New "Song Remains The Same" 2CD/4LP/3DVD Deluxe Set

    Why aren't cassette versions of TSRTS ever entered into the package ?I had a pretty good Kenwood Stereo and it sounded great. Also, pretty sure there was a Japanese Laserdisc version of TSRTS( not a boot, tctally official). Not sure about the sound, probably very rare and $1000+. Maybe.........
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    Robert Plant's recent set lists

    So another words Robert is not singing any of his solo tunes, it's all Zep ?? A funny joke, but I guess I'LL look this up myself. I'm I'm not a fan of Robert's since Fate Of Nations anyway, but this is interesting.
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    Does 'Coda' Count?

    It is absolutely official, but the album WAS not including Bonzo's input, and Zep wasn't like other bands with easily replaced ( well not always easy)members. You take Bonzo out, you are removing an absolutely hard wired part of the Zep structure, the whole structure collapses. Again, word games, subtleties. Like the Celebration Day release, it says Led Zeppelin( I have it somewhere, does it actually say that ?)but really it's the remaining members and Jason Bonham. However Jason had really gotten damn good, and at that point I guess the rest of the band, and Jason's lineage now made him an official band member(?!?!?!). If there had been a tour, would it be Led Zeppelin, or Led Zeppelin featuring Jason Bonham , or some other title ? Just pointing out there are different and possibly very valid reasons to support a number of views , particularly CODA.
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    Does 'Coda' Count?

    Well, to. Me the Physical Graffiti analogy doesn't hold because the "old" songs were put on while the band was still an active unit. Coda was released two yrs after the band broke up. Yes it's an official release, but the band was kind of forced to do the album. And the band members had to overdub in 81'-82' to shine up and complete some of the songs. I think that as a whole the forced album doesn't count, but obviously the band (had?) full creative control and they are Zep songs, so I have to play word games and say as individual songs they count. I definetly thought Coda was not a bad album, but it's simply not on the track compared to all other official studio releases, Bonzo had no input on it, for starters. Again, a game of semantics.
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    Maybe Jimmy for the 50th will remaster his authorized photo book. I think any object that exists can be remastered. So don't lose hope. Maybe posters and tour programs, and legit Zep t-shirts will be remastered. Ha Ha.
  9. I expect nothing, but I hope the live stuff mentioned comes out. It is a bit painful to see these anniversary dates come and go, with serious fans then stating. some other significant date stuff may be released. Of course we can't forget that apart from the live BBC dates/sessions Page will always go overboard on processing any live official release, even replacing some notes from a solo or even adding a 2nd guitar(The Ocean, among others, from HTWWW). What irks me much more( at least with boots you still have something to listen to) is that I simply don't believe there aren't quite a bit more alt versions of songs, or songs with different arrangements guitar wise with experimental overdubs, etc. I've said this many times, Jimmy is not a trained arranger/conductor etc. like JPJ, he has to physically hear an arrangement, play parts and then overdubs( If he wants)), and then assess the results from the board. Now to say that Jimmy just trashed the previous overdubs, just recorded over them, or just told Eddie Kramer or whomever was the co-engineer, Hey, do whatever you want with those alt takes, throw them out if you wish, is preposterous. I will admit, songs like Stairway, Kashmir, but not too many others, there is a lot of boot stuff that has ample messing around " stuff ". Of course some songs came together very quickly for the band in the studio, they only did two or three takes, tops, so some songs just didn't have much variation. And JIMMY, he's lost a lot of credibility and respect downgrading the Zep stock. Stlii love him, but not what he says'.
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    The Trouble with Bonham. 1978-80

    The key here is more Robert as far as any substantial time off, than anything else. Besides Jimmy's comments, I really think noone said much about the future, because Robert as well didn't want to do the 80' US Tour pt.1. And Robert had had it with Zep's somewhat gangsterish atmosphere and Jimmy's almost shocking decline in physical health and playing skill due at least in part to the addiction(s)' taking over. About 6,7 years into Robert's solo career, in various interviews he would mention in a veiled manner how late Zep was heavily compromised by the addictions and lack of practice which to him hurt the live shows.
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    That's very interesting, I also think a key reboot may sound close to the "Outrider" period.I must confess I find the O2 show overall to be very good, but I can never listen to more than 45 mintutes at a time, the key change thing is so disconcerting at times, they aren't just dropping a half step like Ozzie or Rod Stewart, or the many older rockers etc. who still want to get out there. Actually, I'm a guitarist, and figuring out some of Jimmy's amazing licks from the WIC tour, even there some songs are a bit detuned, but nothing like 02 and even then those shows are from broadcasts where subtle detuning may create a much fatter bottom end. I think Robert is still great, he could still find a "way", but despite his own sometimes silly reasonings, and him still playing some Zep in his solo shows, I really think he would feel very demeaned doing the thrash-metal rumble tunings AND auto tune trying to get thru Zep sets. Jimmy's old, but don't forget that one finger wasn't still well by showtime, and by his Tower House affairs and other indications, like his rather animated manner at almost 75. So seemingly retired, unfortunately for now. Wouldn't be surprised if Jimmy just thinks he doesn't look anything like a rock star anymore, and that's that. I hope I get 5,000 replies to refute this idea.
  12. Yeah, every show had some points where there was some sort of massive geometric explosion of energy, if even for a few seconds, not infrequently brought on by one member's slight or radical departure from a "set" part. As mentioned even the final 07' show, and those public announcements, "The American Return of Led Zeppelin"(75'), Ha Ha, made it seem that the band's imminent return to live work was crucial to retaining the cosmic order. Which it was.....how so much energy could be created by 4 mega talented musicians is still something magical.
  13. Well, I see all the examples pretty well. For me , though, the 5/22 version of ALS, has quite a few totally sublime or blistering moments. Now, I am talking about close to the original recordings, not the cleaned up versions which although they aren't close to clipping and have better "EQ", just don't convey the original onslaught. This version has first of all probably the closest to thrash metal drumming Bonzo has ever done, and Page as well detours into many whiplash rhythm slams, and Jimmy's solo is just total frenzy and a totally schizophrenic mix of precise speed and sticky fingers. Again, you won't hear this from recent(even from a while ago)cleaned up versions. No other version of ALS is anything like this, there are many totally way over the top "Ancient battlefield" moments, although some may regard the version as too far from "proper".
  14. This is interesting, but Townsend and Harrison are so far apart stylistically. To me, Harrison was not really known for stadium shakxing power chords or reckless rock energy, whereas Townsend was a master at blowing the roof off whatever venue he was playing at. Harrison was far more adept at playing subtle solos with an interesting melange of influences, and adding interesting detail work to whatever band/guitarist he would be playing with. But a cranking rock guitarist, no. Townsend was a king of rock solid rhythm guitar, and a very good fingerpicker. Harrison was a damn good fingerpicker as well. I guess Townsend would have a slight edge, as I would argue that Townsend has likely had much more inflluence on guitarists. But I must mention that getting Harrison's skill set would be difficult, so many techniques and influences crashing together. Quite difficult comparison, almost two different worlds.
  15. What I find unfortunate is that it seems very apparent that Plant and Jones likely beyond those first box sets and remasters (early 90's) have given Jimmy a free hand in almost all future releases. I can't Imagine JPJ, steady and mellow as he is,accepting those almost criminal cuts in NQ . And Plant may have heard some of those lopsided changes to his voice in the movie/soundtrack, but I'm not sure Robert feels it's worthwhile to go wrestle with Jimmy . Zep has become a gigantic pyramid in music, but especially since that 2007 TSRTS release, Jimmy has cheapened the Zep Gold Standard, where every release really meant something and was very worthwhile.
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    Best live version of The Rain Song

    The challenge here is with minor exceptions Jimmy and Bonzo are pretty much staying with a script, the usual improvisation would not advance the song, Of course this is the mark of master musicians. On the other hand, Plant has more leeway, but even his "ad-limbs" fit and add more depth to the song. And JPJ, with the keys, mellotron, and later synths, probably had the most freedom with changing the arrangement....although just a bit. My fave is the TSRTS 7/28 one, although I've never heard a bad version. Interesting that even the 80' Europe tour had damn good renditions of this song.
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    Tower House

    Well, there persists the notion that Jimmy was some kind of forceful mastermind in Zeppelin. Early on in the launch, yes, but also Peter Grant right behind him. There are very few Zep stories with Jimmy or any other member stalking away in anger because their "vision" was being corrupted or diluted etc.. Probably 75% + of all successful groups in the 70's and 80's were quite volatile behind the scenes. In Zep, all the musicians were so talented that they played for the song, not obvious ego gratification. Well, after Bonzo's death, Jimmy knew what had been lost, and Jimmy just isn't a natural leader, so you had the Firm, with Paul Rodgers actually playing guitar( not too bad, but kind of generic) on various tracks. Robert is Jimmy's security blanket, and some fans don't realize that Jimmy can tie himself into knots with anxiety about many things. If Robert caved, I'm not sure Jimmy couldn't handle a big tour, he's old, but adrenaline has always carried him thru. And Jimmy wants only the 20,000 seat arenas, too bad.
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    The Trouble with Bonham. 1978-80

    Well I think the touring, back then it wasn't so easy to find good vegetarian food except in the largest cities, and not sure Jimmy would ante up all the delivery costs and hassles involved. I do remember reading that Jimmy was stuck many times with room service, and usually that was hamburgers and fries. Jimmy was vain, but I can't really see him watching his weight, unless you mean avoiding underweight, which of course would affect his playing. Even the Heroin, don't know if the weight loss was 100% drug related. Perhaps a stupid explanation, but when Zep started in with all the accidents and "bad luck", there are a few mentions that Jimmy was pretty unnerved and psychologically affected pretty negatively by all the bad events and vibes surr ounding the band starting somewhere about 75'. .???
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    The Trouble with Bonham. 1978-80

    Well Steve A. would know best but Jimmy was shipped off to a "health farm" once or twice in the mid to late seventies with some member of management( I think Phil Carson). However it was to fatten Jimmy up, some fans still don't know that Jimmy had a very sensitive stomach even before Zep. Overall heavy touring seemed to really aggravate his stomach trouble. Also there is speculation that Jimmy totally changed his blood before going to play in the U.S. ARMS shows, not sure if his previous U.K drug convictions mandated this. Or if that made withdrawal symptoms easier from heroin. Formal rehab, don't think so.
  20. I wouldn't get too excited about any of this. Remember that Jimmy has not really held up the "Zep Gold Standard" the last few releases, and I'm not sure Robert even cares much about what is and what should never be released. I can't even picture Robert calling Jimmy to argue about his future Zep release plans. Hope I'm wrong, but Robert has not shown much interest in this realm.
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    Wow! It finally happened!!!

    Yeah. I never listen to "Classic Rock Radio". The last time during regular programming you would hear "In The Light" or "Tea For One" was in the very early eighties at best. Although when the first box-sets and remasters came out, the situation did improve somewhat for a year or two. Actually "Fool In The Rain" is actually I'm told played a lot. My two cents is that I started to listen to FM rock stations about 1977, about 40 miles from NYC. So there were the local independent stations and a few city ones, and 4 or 5 of those often played for 30 or 45 minutes no commercial breaks, and played EVERY Zep song from all the studio albums released up to that point. Then the corporations..........
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    MOVIE QUESTIONS: The Song Remains The Same

    What about Jimmy apparently getting totally pissed off because some of the Shepperton shots showed he had gotten a little potbelly ? Or is this a cooked up scenario, although Richard Cole ( to believe or not to believe!?!??) had often said Page was quite vain.
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    Consoling Plant.

    Well not to shoot off, but Jimmy had for awhile before the 77' disasters started to be looked upon by Robert as a man headed for the abyss. So from my view( Not Robert's), I would hardly want a ghost of a person(Jimmy) attending something as serious and somber as a funeral. In theory it sounds good if Jimmy had attended, but junkies have only one master.
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    The Trouble with Bonham. 1978-80

    Well to me Bonzo was still capable of greatness in 77', overall played well at Knebworth, but a good portion of the 80' tour Bonzo just was not himself. IMO, he had an almost steeper decline than Jimmy. I have all the 80' shows and a good portion of the time Bonham is just keeping time, all of the skill set Bonzo usually had wasn't on display much. Obviously alcohol and being quite overweight hurt his stamina, apparently.
  25. Well some of Yes/Genesis stuff Jimmy could only play if he was constantly playing or practicing, which he clearly wasn't from about 75' on, if not earlier. The whole timing thing with Black Dog, actually in the main riff there is a dotted eighth note among the other eighth notes. If you miss that, yes, everything collapses.In the studio track Page mainly sticks locked in in the end solo, live Jimmy would often fight the beat and only occasionally play "along" with JPJ and Bonzo. Live, yes Bonzo would very noticeably be behind the beat, and vary on that as well. Which would be a major headache if you tried a live version with your band.