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pujols05

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  1. Exactly. I'm guilty of it...usually they're well produced, but haven't purchased such a creature for a good while now.
  2. I've long thought putting LZ (or Mr Page or Mr Plant, probably) on the cover of music magazines like these was likely to boost circulation. Anyone have any hard numbers to confirm or refute that?
  3. Jimmy said the 50th anniversary would be marked with "all manner of surprises", right? “There’ll be Led Zeppelin product coming out, for sure, that people haven’t heard, because I’m working on that." Was it just the Rock And Roll / Friends single? I'm definitely breathing!
  4. I was never a big fan of the studio track, but came to love the '77 versions (more than '75), especially on Destroyer. Now, even the studio version has grown on me. I listened to PG yesterday and was thinking about what may have influenced decisions on '75 setlists. We know Ten Years Gone had difficulties for live performance that were resolved for '77. But why not "In the Light," or "Custard Pie" or "The Rover"? We'll never know, but wild guess that we would have heard more of PG on the fall '75 tour that never happened. What might have been.
  5. Just enjoyed this show last week. Four stars there for me. To my ears, JPJ initially goes in a direction that seems to foreshadow the '77 versions, and then comes back toward the '75 versions, but not quite the usual, as you say. For me, it's just not quite focused enough. Which is a strange thing to say for a "jam" song.
  6. Messed up my dates. Meant 3-14, not 3-10. I had 3-12 once, but it was a poor audience recording. I don't have much listening stamina for those.
  7. For some reason couldn't edit my original. What I mean to say here is each 1975 show that I have...
  8. 1975 is my favorite tour...aided in no small degree by the amount of many excellent soundboards (sounding better than soundboards from other tours). I tend to listen to the '75 shows on their anniversary dates when I can. It can be a bit much at times...yes, there can be too much live Zeppelin at some point. And, this year...it wasn't quite as enjoyable as it has been. Maybe I've overdosed on these shows in recent years. In 2011, I did some spreadsheet calculations using my iTunes star ratings for each song of each 1975 show to calculate which show would come out on top. I even did a variation with weighting some songs (OTHAFA, Kashmir, NQ, D&C). That was a few soundboards ago and since I'm sitting at home with time on my hands...I decided to do it again so I can comment with some competence. For the record, the only '75 audience shows I have are the LA Forum tapes. I'm usually pretty ambivalent about non-soundboard recordings, so my '75 collection isn't as extensive as others'. CAUTION: Geek zone ahead. Unweighted, my top five in order are: 2-12, 3-11, 3-5, 2-14, 3-27. If counting Earl's Court, 5-25 would be 3rd Weighted switches it up a bit: 3-11, 2-12, 3-5, 3-27, and a tie of 3-3 and 2-28. 2-14 falls to 6th (tied with 3-19) and 5-25 would be 7th. The "average" score for a US show was 4.01 (out of 5) weighted and 5.38 weighted. Both 2-13 and 2-16 were 4.00, so I guess they're average shows. And, 2-16 and 3-4 were right on 5.38 for weighted. I'm surprised 2-12 stands out here. It IS a very notable show and for recording quality at least it should be in every collection. But...I thought some of the recent '75 SBs had surpassed it in overall show quality. Maybe not. Or...maybe subconsciously I'm using 2-12 as a bar for every other show. I view 3-21 as simply another very good 1975 soundboard rather than a Holy Grail (Deus Ex Machina). I was surprised to find that based on an average of the average, 3-21 comes out "below average" weighted (5.00) and unweighted (3.93). Haven't listened to it for more than a year, so maybe I'm due. Other below average shows: 2-10 (surprised, but I don't have any 5-star tracks here) 3-10 (always saw it as a dud...but a 5-star NQ) 3-17 (this one also a dud, at least early...no 5-star track) 3-20 (very surprised by this, but hurt by an average D&C and only NQ gets 5 stars) The first two LA shows, but this is probably me grading the quality of the audience recording rather than the performance So, that's what I get using my head. A mixed bag.... Using my heart, some years ago I landed on 5-25 as my ultimate LZ live show just because the vibe is so amazing. Even though I'd put it top, I don't think any one song that night is a "best ever," so it's a bit ironic. And...I've never bothered with the audience recordings from Earl's Court. Maybe I should stop hoping for SBs from those. As for U.S. shows in '75, my favorites show up well this way (3-11, 2-12, 3-5, 3-27) By the way, I don't have a single performance of NQ ranked less than 4 stars. Always a highlight of a '75 show for me (all-time fave is 5-24).
  9. Pretty much anything from 5-25-75....he was unstoppable that night. "If your brain hurts...see the man walking around selling hot brains." And of course at the end, "Charles Shaar-Murray, wherever you are (well-timed lick from Jimmy) keep taking the pills." And, this from 2-12-75 after NQ: "John Paul Jones, piano. Jimmy Page, electric guitar. Raymond Thomas, Jimmy Page’s road manager. Ian Knight, in charge of the smoke machine that didn’t work. Peter Grant, our manager. Everybody!”
  10. Could this mystery board be this one?
  11. As my list shows, I do dig the '75 versions. There are many great ones. My top 10 would probably be 9 from '75 and the original version from TSRTS.
  12. For 3-27-75, I love how it seems like the jam is coming to a climax (around the 21 minute mark on my recording) and then it keeps going in a very tight but loose groove.
  13. Yes, this is hard. I have 17 live versions in iTunes marked 5 stars. 5-24-75. For me, this one will never be topped. 3-27-75 2-12-75 Original TSRTS 3-3-75
  14. Definitely a positive development. I Cannes't wait to see it.
  15. Yes, I definitely ascribe it to how personal and painful it still is. I hope I didn't imply that they should have done something regardless. I was nearly 9 in September of 1980 and didn't know.
  16. It's wonderful. I'm glad I have a copy and I sure waited a long time (pre-order in February 2018, receive 8 months later). But...What I would have liked is more context, more stories, and that means words. The back of the book has 16 pages of "annotations" from Jimmy, Robert and John Paul sharing comments about photos in the book, comments recorded while the book was in the works. The book would have been much improved if these quotes were in the body of the book next to the photos. And to be clear, I don't mean a comment for every photo of course...no need for something like "That's us on stage again. My hair is still long." In this age when people take photos of their coffee, I don't know if a picture says a thousand words anymore, so the actual words are still very much needed.And while 16 pages of comments is somewhat substantial, the first five years of the band's career, up to the release of "Houses", gets half the coverage, so from 1973 to now (admittedly with little to share after 1980) doesn't get as much attention. The 1980 Tour Over Europe passes without comment and six pages of photos. The 1975 Earls Court gigs, admittedly more important in the band's career, gets 8 pages. The 1973 U.S. tour gets 32 pages! I think a little more balance would have been better.Another improvement would have been if the three survivors had told us more about, for example, recording the songs we all love, or why they chose symbols for the fourth album, or what they loved about performing live and their favorite gigs. Like, how George Harrison's comment about a lack of ballads in the group's catalog inspired"The Rain Song." Or did the band really see a black dog going around Headley Grange and decided it was a good enough name for a song? And, really surprising, there aren't any comments about Bonzo's passing. Maybe that's too personal, but it seems a strange omission.
  17. No band can indefinitely sustain greatness. Looking back, we can easily (and subjectively) say this tour was better than that tour...Jimmy was better Europe '73 than USA '77. Plant was awesome in '72 but lost his voice in '75. But without doubt, we all would have gladly plunked down our cash for any ticket we could find and loved every minute of it. I do prefer '75 and earlier, but I can still find enjoyment from many '77 shows and even '80 has a number of gems. I'll never turn down a chance to hear more live Zeppelin. Why? There is undeniable magic in Led Zeppelin. I have a handful of Page/Plant shows that I hardly ever listen to because it's just not the same. In contrast, the 02 reunion show, for me, DOES have that magic. I had the miraculous opportunity to see David Gilmour in 2015 at the first Royal Albert Hall show. I would have much rather seen him in 2006, with a better set list and stronger voice. But I won't regret a second of the show I did see. The '77 tour was over the top indeed. Cutting back the show to maybe 2.5 hours might have been wise, but...the boys wanted to deliver I guess. I agree that the '77 versions of No Quarter were too peppy/jazzy. And too long (30 minutes). It's a sinister song, and the moodiness of that was largely lost in '77, unfortunately. I don't think there's one bum version in '75. The 1973 versions were fine, too, but I like them a bit longer ('75). Dropping Moby Dick might have been wise, too. I disagree on SIBLY. For me, right up to Berlin, it's a great, authentic moment and I would even say the '77 versions are best. As for more tracks from Presence, not sure what to say. Aside from Achilles and Nobody's Fault, they must have felt they weren't suited for live performance.
  18. Thanks! If clarification is needed, I should have said mundane performances....sluggish. Uninspired. Was 6-23 one where they got lost in Kashmir? It can be hypnotic. But the same (sluggish) can't be said of Achilles. Always a highlight.
  19. Fair question. I know some find the '75 setlist somewhat boring, but I don't. I enjoy a '77 show as much as the next fan, but there are niggles: setlist is a bit bloated, the pace can be sluggish (some performances of Kashmir are downright pedestrian), and we all know about Jimmy's less than precise playing on that tour. Probably the deciding factor for me is that '75 soundboards uniformly sound better (at least to me) than '77 soundboards, and I have wondered about that. Different system in '77? I'll take whatever it is.
  20. 1975 (preferably) or 1977, bring it on! Always ready to add a tasty soundboard to the collection.
  21. That's what I suspected. Wondering if the book in the SD is hardcover or a "paperback" like BBC sessions...
  22. Misery loves company, eh? *Perhaps* once it's actually shipped it will update to arriving on release date...but not really planning on it. .
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