Electrophile Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 One last point, if your 14 or 16 year old daughter were being banged by some famous musician twice her age would YOU be ok with that? Exactly how much money are your children worth? If it were my daughter I would put her into treatment and have the musician locked up, if that did not work I would go to the MSM, pitch a fit and ruin the dirtbags career. Exactly what kind of treatment would you put her into? If she was doing drugs/drinking excessively along with fucking the middle-aged rock star, I can see putting her in a treatment facility/rehab center to get her head screwed back on straight, but if all she was doing was fucking the middle-aged rock star.......I don't know of any treatment facility that caters to that specific issue. Also, to clarify something that was mentioned up-thread, Jimmy Page and Lori Maddox was not a case of pedophilia, either borderline or otherwise. Pedophiles are attracted to prepubescent children, and Lori at the age of 14 was post-pubescent. I don't agree with what he did, but let's not drag the "p" word out if it's not necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSo1960 Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 Exactly what kind of treatment would you put her into? If she was doing drugs/drinking excessively along with fucking the middle-aged rock star, I can see putting her in a treatment facility/rehab center to get her head screwed back on straight, but if all she was doing was fucking the middle-aged rock star.......I don't know of any treatment facility that caters to that specific issue. Also, to clarify something that was mentioned up-thread, Jimmy Page and Lori Maddox was not a case of pedophilia, either borderline or otherwise. Pedophiles are attracted to prepubescent children, and Lori at the age of 14 was post-pubescent. I don't agree with what he did, but let's not drag the "p" word out if it's not necessary. Your right the term is hebephilia, but it is not denoted in the DSM IV the next rewrite will likely include. The term is very common is sex offender treatment circles of which I'm a part. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebephilia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sagittarius Rising Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 Exactly what kind of treatment would you put her into? If she was doing drugs/drinking excessively along with fucking the middle-aged rock star, I can see putting her in a treatment facility/rehab center to get her head screwed back on straight, but if all she was doing was fucking the middle-aged rock star.......I don't know of any treatment facility that caters to that specific issue. Also, to clarify something that was mentioned up-thread, Jimmy Page and Lori Maddox was not a case of pedophilia, either borderline or otherwise. Pedophiles are attracted to prepubescent children, and Lori at the age of 14 was post-pubescent. I don't agree with what he did, but let's not drag the "p" word out if it's not necessary. The treatment advised for a teenage child who is attracted (and caries out) sexual fantasies with a much older man would be both cognitive-behavioral and psychoanalytical. The cognitive-behaviorial would address the current behavioral issue and correct it, the psychoanalytical (especially Horney's or Sullivan's approach) would be to identify the early trigger for the behavior and address why the child has not moved passed or regressed to the Oedipal Stage which is causing the attraction to a father figure. Many times this is due to either a lack of bonding with a father figure or in more extreme cases sexual abuse by a male authority figure. As to the pedophilia, you are correct with the technical designation, however I stated borderline which depending on the person and circumstance it could possibly be. Psychology is not a hard science and therefore the lines can and will blur on occasion. Either way, from a legal standpoint it is wrong and punishable by incarceration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happiness Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 The treatment advised for a teenage child who is attracted (and caries out) sexual fantasies with a much older man would be both cognitive-behavioral and psychoanalytical. The cognitive-behaviorial would address the current behavioral issue and correct it, the psychoanalytical (especially Horney's or Sullivan's approach) would be to identify the early trigger for the behavior and address why the child has not moved passed or regressed to the Oedipal Stage which is causing the attraction to a father figure. Many times this is due to either a lack of bonding with a father figure or in more extreme cases sexual abuse by a male authority figure. As to the pedophilia, you are correct with the technical designation, however I stated borderline which depending on the person and circumstance it could possibly be. Psychology is not a hard science and therefore the lines can and will blur on occasion. Either way, from a legal standpoint it is wrong and punishable by incarceration. The girl I know who married a man twenty years older than herself and is still married to him almost four decades later had a good relationship with her father. It is not possible or wise to attempt to dump all cases into the same scenario. It isn't realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happiness Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 I'm not talking about psychology. There are no "blurred lines" between someone who is prepubescent and someone who is post-pubescent. That's a physical designation in a human being that either exists or does not exist. I never disputed the fact that legally, something like that happening now would get the man in a world of trouble. What I disputed is calling Jimmy Page a pedophile, either borderline or flat-out. Lori Maddox was not a prepubescent child when she had a relationship with him, which means that he was not and is not a pedophile. Period. It is irresponsible to call someone a pedophile when they are not. Amen. I just thought of something to add to that. My first boyfriend....I was thirteen. I never did more than kiss because I felt I was too young, but when I got back in touch with him a couple of years ago he told me he thought I was around twenty one even though I told him my age. I guess his memory wasn't that good and he was seventeen and at the time he told me he was twenty one. The reason we broke up was because I refused to let him go any further, but the point is he apparently thought I was much older than I was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSo1960 Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 Perhaps we could all get back on the topic. Foreigner always bugged me...anybody feel the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happiness Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 Perhaps we could all get back on the topic. Foreigner always bugged me...anybody feel the same? I like a few of their songs. Meatloaf. Nickelback. Thrasher metal of any type. I think Metallica is the only metal band I like and I dislike all country except for John Prine. Loads of new music I can't stand. I think they use glitz to make up for incompetence. The whole lady GaGa type scene. I don't even like Janis Joplin except for a couple of tunes. Her voice to me is like nails on a chalkboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electrophile Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 Perhaps we could all get back on the topic. Foreigner always bugged me...anybody feel the same? They're alright. I have to admit having a secret love for I Want To Know What Love Is, even though it's the archetype for the power ballad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happiness Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 They're alright. I have to admit having a secret love for I Want To Know What Love Is, even though it's the archetype for the power ballad. That is an awesomely beautiful song though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electrophile Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 I agree, that's why I love it. I love the message, and I love the vocals, especially at the end. It's one of those songs that I think more people really love, but won't admit to loving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happiness Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 I heard a song in the radio I can't stand about an hour ago. Heterosexual Man. I find the lyrics extremely offensive. I think it is done by The Odds although I don't know if I would dislike all of their music. I seem to recall their previous hit not being bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSo1960 Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 I like a few of their songs. Meatloaf. Nickelback. Thrasher metal of any type. I think Metallica is the only metal band I like and I dislike all country except for John Prine. Loads of new music I can't stand. I think they use glitz to make up for incompetence. The whole lady GaGa type scene. I don't even like Janis Joplin except for a couple of tunes. Her voice to me is like nails on a chalkboard. I loved Janis, but I'm with you on the thrasher metal, Black metal, though I love Metallica. I don't like country or western music (he he) but like I said earlier I keep going back to the 70's and I'm never disappointed when it somes to hard rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happiness Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 I agree, that's why I love it. I love the message, and I love the vocals, especially at the end. It's one of those songs that I think more people really love, but won't admit to loving. I actually think it is one of the most meaningful, both emotionally and spiritually valuable songs of the modern era. If people are afraid to admit it, perhaps they are afraid of their own emotional vulnerability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happiness Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 I loved Janis, but I'm with you on the thrasher metal, Black metal, though I love Metallica. I don't like country or western music (he he) but like I said earlier I keep going back to the 70's and I'm never disappointed when it somes to hard rock. I couldn't stand Black Sabbath in high school but some of their very early stuff has grown in me. 60s British Invasion music is my favorite and I like a lot of world music. Country music is a funny thing eh? It seems to be a strong like or dislike. Not much of a middle road. I don't like pop music either. Dreadful stuff. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happiness Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 You know, you got me thinking. I have noticed that if a song's lyrical content is offensive, I have a hard time listening to it no matter how good the instrumental aspect might be. I think that might be why I tend to prefer instrumental music. It also allows me to concentrate on the musical progressions without distraction. I think that is one of the things I love about songs like Black Mountain Side/ White Summer. And remember the debate about Dazed and Confused? It was the bass that was similar to the original guitar but even still not the same. That is something about Jimmy's playing that many other guitarists don't have. They need a vocalist to carry them while for him it is more of a hinderance. That is at least my personal opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happiness Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 Perfect example of offensive lyrical content. When I was a kid I loved the song Love is The Drug. When I got older I understood the lyrics more and was offended that cheap meaningless sex was referred to as love which is the case in alot of modern music which is why songs like I Want to Know What Love Is is so important. It leads me to wonder if the songs we listened to in our youth combined with what we read and saw on TV contributed to the societal problems we have today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sagittarius Rising Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 I apologize for bringing my career into this forum, it really was a poor choice on my part and I did not mean to offend. Please forgive my lack of judgement in this matter. Also, I don't like speed or death metal either. I don't like lyrics (especially rap) which degrade women in general. Everything else I pretty much listen to. Opera, classical, country, folk, world, etc... If it's good I listen. Johnny Cash and Merle Haggard are great examples of good country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 They were and still are very much in love. Age is a funny thing. Maturity is more of an issue when it comes to something like marriage. It was in Canada. Pele is Hawaiian. She was with Ted for several years but it didn't last, actually. Ted's current wife is Shemane. They've been together for many years now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betteremily Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 Ambrosia: "Precious and few these moments we share..." and Captain & Tennille, that Muskrat Love thing was just awful One other thing, I like the Carpenters sometimes but those two looked way too much alike, it was creepy. Oh wait, I don't like the Osmond's either. Finally, most everything post 1999, I think the world really did end, musically at least. THE OSMONDS? REALLY? They fit the rock star bill? Jesus Christ. What is this world coming to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 Steve's rationale for a 30 year old adopting a 17 year old so... Oh, stop. They stayed together for more than ten years! . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happiness Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 I apologize for bringing my career into this forum, it really was a poor choice on my part and I did not mean to offend. Please forgive my lack of judgement in this matter. Also, I don't like speed or death metal either. I don't like lyrics (especially rap) which degrade women in general. Everything else I pretty much listen to. Opera, classical, country, folk, world, etc... If it's good I listen. Johnny Cash and Merle Haggard are great examples of good country. Don't apologize. It is actually something worth talking about and should probably have its' own thread. I don't know if Steve realizes that the way he sometimes says things is shocking to say the least and I often wonder if he is serious or being a smart ass without realizing the way it comes across. I am so pleased to read that you don't like music that degrades women. Sometimes I wonder if there are any real men in the world. You just showed me there is. There is a song on the radio called Porn Star Dancing. I can't get to the remote to change the station fast enough. Alot of that type of music actually makes me feel physically nauseated. I am a hyper sensitive person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happiness Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 Oh, stop. They stayed together for more than ten years! . I think it's the way you said if you would have seen her, you would understand why Ted had to have her. I got grabbed just outside of high school once by a guy the size of a bear and it took two people to get his arms off from around me. His hands were on my boobs and I was screaming and crying. I have been in contact with one of them lately and he said to me one day....Well, you couldn't really blame him. You were a hottie. I didn't have the nerve to say anything about it until the last time he called. I said because guys found me attractive did not give them permission to touch me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austrianzeppelin Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 there are quite a few for various reasons, but the 2 who top the list are Chad Krueger from Nickelback for pretending to be a rockstar when he actually seems like a youknowwhat, and Gene Simmons for being Gene Simmons to start with and plenty of things thereafter.... but hate is too strong a word really....i am lover not a hater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bong-Man Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 This man and his monkey organ have annoyed me for over 40 years. Just hearing him being interviewed is enough to make me vomit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Fills the Air Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 meatlof and kylie minogue. I heard it on the grapevine that Meat Loaf can be a real git. I'm not keen on Kylie either. I personally find Bono to be very irritating - too preachy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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