SteveAJones Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 (edited) That's correct, but no-one has been able to say when in June. I'd love to see further details on specific dates. And in that book Mick Bonham claims the bass player was Steve Dolan as opposed to Chris Welch's book which says it was Dave Pegg. Meg Correction to typo in post #3: Hastings 6/28/68 according to 'Led Zeppelin: A Celebration' (earliest in June so far) Note they apparently made a very long trek up to Sheffield the next day, leading me to speculate this was among the first dates, if not the opening night of the tour. Edited August 9, 2008 by SteveAJones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynn Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 Sorry Meg, You posted again in between my 2 posts. I guess my 2nd post isn't very helpful since it still doesn't identify the exact date in June 68. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynn Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 And in that book Mick Bonham claims the bass player was Steve Dolan as opposed to Chris Welch's book which says it was Dave Pegg. Meg Regarding the bass player, again from Mick Bonhams book, a review from Tony Wilson of the Melody Maker: "If anyone comes close to the rather vague definition "Folk Rock" it must be Tim Rose. Powerful singing backed by his own electric, augmented by bass and drums on folk based numbers such as "Morning Dew", "Long Time Man" and "Hey Joe" provided a stirring session at Blaises in London last Sunday. These heavy, soulful numbers were balanced by lighter songs such as "Hello Sunshine" and a five string banjo number "Foggy Mountain Breakdown" which gave a chance for drummer John Bonham and bass guitar Steve Dolan to take solos." Hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 (edited) Regarding the bass player, again from Mick Bonhams book, a review from Tony Wilson of the Melody Maker: "If anyone comes close to the rather vague definition "Folk Rock" it must be Tim Rose. Powerful singing backed by his own electric, augmented by bass and drums on folk based numbers such as "Morning Dew", "Long Time Man" and "Hey Joe" provided a stirring session at Blaises in London last Sunday. These heavy, soulful numbers were balanced by lighter songs such as "Hello Sunshine" and a five string banjo number "Foggy Mountain Breakdown" which gave a chance for drummer John Bonham and bass guitar Steve Dolan to take solos." Hope this helps. Is there no evidence to suggest Pegg played bass on this tour, aside from a brief mention in A Thunder of Drums? Edited August 9, 2008 by SteveAJones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
widget Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 Unconfirmed Tim Rose tour dates: Bristol, Colston Hall Birmingham, Mothers Klooks Kleek Rasputins The Temple London, Hatchett's Just checking through Brum Beat magazine again, it appears most of the above dates are in August 1968 with Les Marshall on drums, with the exception of the Hatchett's appearance, which means we probably have most of the possible Bonham dates listed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynn Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 Is there no evidence to suggest Pegg played bass on this tour, aside from a brief mention in A Thunder of Drums? Steve, If you are asking about any evidence about Pegg playing bass in Mick Bonham's book, I'm not sure. I would have to sit down and give it a closer look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
widget Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 Is there no evidence to suggest Pegg played bass on this tour, aside from a brief mention in A Thunder of Drums? Steve, It's quite possible Dave may have played early on, but there is no review I know which mentions his name apart from being name dropped in Chris Welch's biography. Mick Bonham's book only talks about Steve Dolan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-ocean87 Posted August 20, 2008 Author Share Posted August 20, 2008 According to another site, these are all the dates with Tim Rose: 28 June 1968 » Hastings, England @ 29 June 1968 » Sheffield, South Yorkshire, England @ University of Sheffield, Student Union 2 July 1968 » Bournemouth, England @ Ritz Ballroom 4 July 1968 » London, England @ Royal Festival Hall 5 July 1968 » Hemel Hempstead, Hartfordshire, England @ Hemel Hempstead Pavilion 6 July 1968 » Ramsey, Cambridgeshire, England @ Gaiety Ballroom 7 July 1968 » Woburn, Bedfordshire, England @ Woburn Park 14 July 1968 » Kensington, London, England @ Blaises Club 15 July 1968 » Wolverhampton, West Midlands, England @ 16 July 1968 » London, England @ Marquee Club 18 July 1968 » Liverpool, England @ 19 July 1968 » Grimsby, England @ Grimsby Jazz Club 21 July 1968 » Nottingham, England @ Union Club 30 July 1968 » London, England @ Wood Green, Fishmongers Hall 31 July 1968 » Hampstead, London, England @ Hampstead Country Club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thozil Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Marquee ad for July 68 with Tim Rose on the 16th (with John Bonham?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sixpense Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Some rare audio of Tim Rose at the BBC with John (Bonzo) Bonham supporting on drums. Bonzo toured with Rose from June 28 1968 to approx. August 7 1968. During this time Jimmy Page was looking for members to replace former Yardbirds Keith Relf and Jim McCarty who quit the band. It was either on July 12 or 19 where Jimmy would witness Bonzo playing with Tim Rose and was blown away by his performance and knew without a doubt who would play the drums in his band. (Keep in mind Bonzo is still playing a smaller Ludwig Kit; It wouldn’t be till January 1969 where the big 26” bass drum would enter the scene.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JXpmiB5M0Q Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeplz71 Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 13 minutes ago, sixpense said: Some rare audio of Tim Rose at the BBC with John (Bonzo) Bonham supporting on drums. Bonzo toured with Rose from June 28 1968 to approx. August 7 1968. During this time Jimmy Page was looking for members to replace former Yardbirds Keith Relf and Jim McCarty who quit the band. It was either on July 12 or 19 where Jimmy would witness Bonzo playing with Tim Rose and was blown away by his performance and knew without a doubt who would play the drums in his band. (Keep in mind Bonzo is still playing a smaller Ludwig Kit; It wouldn’t be till January 1969 where the big 26” bass drum would enter the scene.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JXpmiB5M0Q I've heard this BBC session before. Don't think it's Bonzo on drums unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
76229 Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, sixpense said: Some rare audio of Tim Rose at the BBC with John (Bonzo) Bonham supporting on drums. Bonzo toured with Rose from June 28 1968 to approx. August 7 1968. During this time Jimmy Page was looking for members to replace former Yardbirds Keith Relf and Jim McCarty who quit the band. It was either on July 12 or 19 where Jimmy would witness Bonzo playing with Tim Rose and was blown away by his performance and knew without a doubt who would play the drums in his band. (Keep in mind Bonzo is still playing a smaller Ludwig Kit; It wouldn’t be till January 1969 where the big 26” bass drum would enter the scene.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JXpmiB5M0Q I was under the impression his dates with Tim Rose were 3rd July to 31st? Page saw him in London on the 31st at the Country Club, Hampstead. Supposedly Bonzo told Peter Grant after he'd joined the New Yardbirds that he'd committed to do the Isle of Wight festival with Rose and was "encouraged" by Grant to change his mind. Edited November 1, 2018 by 76229 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixpense Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, 76229 said: I was under the impression his dates with Tim Rose were 3rd July to 31st? Page saw him in London on the 31st at the Country Club, Hampstead. Supposedly Bonzo told Peter Grant after he'd joined the New Yardbirds that he'd committed to do the Isle of Wight festival with Rose and was "encouraged" by Grant to change his mind. You are correct. I mixed up the dates of Page seeing Plant vs Bonham. 7/31/18 is correct. Dates come from Evenings with Led Zeppelin: The Complete Concert Chronicle 1968-1980 by Dave Lewis and Mike Tremaglio Edited November 1, 2018 by sixpense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Podraza Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 On 8/9/2008 at 7:50 AM, SteveAJones said: Hi. In 1968 when John left Tim's band, I replaced John on the drums. I don't remember Dave Pegg being the bass player at all. It was so long ago but I do remember that Colston Hall Bristol was my first gig with Tim. If that's any help. Les Podraza In 1968 when John left I took over Is there no evidence to suggest Pegg played bass on this tour, aside from a brief mention in A Thunder of Drums? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Les Podraza said: Hi. In 1968 when John left Tim's band, I replaced John on the drums. I don't remember Dave Pegg being the bass player at all. It was so long ago but I do remember that Colston Hall Bristol was my first gig with Tim. If that's any help. Les Podraza Les Podraza?! Wow. Welcome to the forum. I'm humbled that you took the time to reply. Forum -- here's the debut Galliard album Strange Pleasure featuring Les Podraza on drums. Galliard were formed in Birmingham, in the summer of 1968. Featuring Andrew Abbott (bass), Geoff Brown (vocals), Dave Caswell (saxophones), Richard Pannell (guitar), Les Podraza (drums) and John Smith (woodwind), this innovative group recorded their first album for Decca's DERAM NOVA imprint in 1969, released 1970. Like many other NOVA acts, Galliard failed to achieve the commercial success they deserved. Both "Strange Pleasure" and their follow up release "New Dawn" are among the most collectable and valuable records of the Progressive Rock genre. Edited April 20, 2020 by SteveAJones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thozil Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 A few clippings from Melody Maker (second one mentions a Bonham solo) (July 6th, 13th and 20th, 1968). Also, re the Tim Rose appearance on Top Gear (July 1st, 1968), although Dougie Wright is listed as the drummer (source), that sure does sound like it could be Bonzo. Maybe it's just wishful thinking. Have a listen here. Track 1 - Roanoke: drumming with his hands (1:55) Track 2 - Foggy Mountain Breakdown On Rye With Mustard: multiple drum rolls (e.g. 4:34 & 5:00-5:20) Track 3 - I Guess It's Over: drum rolls throughout [triplets?] (e.g. 6:40, 7:00, 8:16, 8:20 ...) Track 4 - Long Haired Boy: multiple rolls throughout but harder to make out (e.g. 11:00) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgeholder Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 1 hour ago, thozil said: Also, re the Tim Rose appearance on Top Gear (July 1st, 1968), although Dougie Wright is listed as the drummer (source), that sure does sound like it could be Bonzo. Maybe it's just wishful thinking. Have a listen here. Track 1 - Roanoke: drumming with his hands (1:55) Track 2 - Foggy Mountain Breakdown On Rye With Mustard: multiple drum rolls (e.g. 4:34 & 5:00-5:20) Track 3 - I Guess It's Over: drum rolls throughout [triplets?] (e.g. 6:40, 7:00, 8:16, 8:20 ...) Track 4 - Long Haired Boy: multiple rolls throughout but harder to make out (e.g. 11:00) Sounds like Bonzo to me. Nothing jumps out as "No way that's Bonzo". In fact, the fills on track 2 are very 'Good Times, Bad Times' to my ears, the triplets near the end also. I think it's him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paimonus Rex Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 On 4/4/2008 at 1:16 PM, SteveAJones said: Unfortunately, google and the internet in general is not very helpful for researching the pre-Zeppelin recording and performance history of Plant and Bonham. Only persistent, painstaking research of newspaper archives and collaboration with others ever seems to bring these details to light. And that's why you are vital to this entire operation. The house would be THAT empty without you. I truly appreciate everything you do for us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Podraza Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 On 8/9/2008 at 11:57 AM, widget said: Unconfirmed Tim Rose tour dates: Bristol, Colston Hall Birmingham, Mothers Klooks Kleek Rasputins The Temple London, Hatchett's Just checking through Brum Beat magazine again, it appears most of the above dates are in August 1968 with Les Podraza (later of Galliard) on drums, with the exception of the Hatchett's appearance, which means we probably have most of the possible Bonham dates listed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Podraza Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 On 4/20/2020 at 11:37 PM, SteveAJones said: Les Podraza?! Wow. Welcome to the forum. I'm humbled that you took the time to reply. Forum -- here's the debut Galliard album Strange Pleasure featuring Les Podraza on drums. Galliard were formed in Birmingham, in the summer of 1968. Featuring Andrew Abbott (bass), Geoff Brown (vocals), Dave Caswell (saxophones), Richard Pannell (guitar), Les Podraza (drums) and John Smith (woodwind), this innovative group recorded their first album for Decca's DERAM NOVA imprint in 1969, released 1970. Like many other NOVA acts, Galliard failed to achieve the commercial success they deserved. Both "Strange Pleasure" and their follow up release "New Dawn" are among the most collectable and valuable records of the Progressive Rock genre. Thank you. Sorry for the late reply!! I feel humbled being here on this site. This was an unbelievable time for me. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Podraza Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 On 8/8/2008 at 3:13 AM, widget said: The manager for Tim Rose was a guy called Jack Beale and his booking agent was Terry King. During his tour in the UK Tim Rose was based in a serviced apartment at Eaton Place. Steve here are more dates which can be confirmed with NME and Melody Maker reports: May 4 1968 (Sat) Boston Tea Party June 1968: Rose returns to the UK after earlier Feb-March 68 tour. June 29 1968 (Sat) Sheffield, Students Union July 1 1968 (Mon) Radio session - BBC1 "Top Gear" with John Peel (songs recorded include "Roanoke", "Foggy Mountain Breakdown (On Rye With Mustard)", "I Guess It's Over", "Long Haired Boy"), later broadcast on August 11. July 2 1968 (Tue) Bournemouth, Ritz Ballroom July 4 1968 (Thu) London, Royal Festival Hall July 5 1968 (Fri) Hemel Hampstead, The Pavilion July 6 1968 (Sat) Ramsey, Gaiety Ballroom July 7 1968 (Sun 7pm) Woburn Abbey Pop Festival July 8 - 13 1968: Proposed short tour to Yugoslavia is cancelled. July 15 1968 (Mon) Wolverhampton - venue unconfirmed July 18 1968 (Thu) Liverpool - venue unconfirmed July 19 1968 (Fri) Grimsby, Grimsby Jazz Club July 20 1968 (Sat afternoon show) Beckenham, Mistral Club July 20 1968 (Sat evening show) London, Middle Earth July 21 1968 (Sun) Nottingham, Union Club July 23 1968 (Tue) Spain, Majorca (cancelled) A few days after Bonham left Tim Rose on the 31st, Rose postponed his tour until he could audition another drummer, this turned out to be a Brummie called Les Podraza (later of Galliard). Podraza had heard there was going to be a vacancy for the drumming spot after visiting music store Drumland in Birmingham and being tipped off by store manager Mike Evans, who had previosuly chatted with Bonham. Incidently, Drumland sold Bonham his first Ludwig kit. After the 31st, returns: August 11 1968 (Sun) Sunbury, 8th National Jazz and Blues Festival. August 16 1968 (Fri) London, Marquee (Tim Rose's final tour show). Returns to the US. August 23 1968 (Fri) "The New York Rock Festival", Singer Bowl, Flushing Meadows Park, Queens. Playing at this festival Jimi Hendrix dedicated "Hey Joe" to Tim Rose. August 31 1968 (Sat) TV appearance - Germany, Beat Club performance "Long Haired Boy" Unconfirmed Tim Rose tour dates: Bristol, Colston Hall Birmingham, Mothers Klooks Kleek Rasputins The Temple London, Hatchett's At the 8th National Jazz and Blues Festival staged in Sunbury, Middlesex (9th-11th August), Joe Cocker was scheduled to appear. I have yet to confirm if Bonham played with Cocker on this date. Also after joining Led Zeppelin, Bonham was scheduled to appear with Chris Farlowe at the Droitwich, Worcester-Bank Holiday Bluesology Festival, on the 1st-2nd September. Grant got on the phone to the promoter and put a stop to Bonham's appearance. Meg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrlowry Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Wow, I'm listening to the BBC sessions now, can't say if it's Bonzo or not but 1. It sounds like a quality, powerful drummer for sure. 2. Tim has a great voice and a really good band. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brillbrill Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 maybe i should post this to another thread - but would love to know which drummers Bonzo cited as his influences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoso_ledzep4_yy Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 Bonzo, Pre-Zep !! This is some very rare audio of Tim Rose from an alleged BBC performance on John Peel's show. The date is given as recorded on July 1, 1968 and broadcast on July 7. As far as I know, there is no other known recording of Bonzo with Tim Rose, nor are there any photos that I could find of Bonzo playing with Tim Rose. Apparently he only played with him for a brief time in mid 1968. There is a video here on YouTube that is also from BBC broadcasts of Tim Rose, but that does not sound like Bonzo on drums, to me. This recording however is unquestionably Bonzo, IMO. Here is a link to the website where I found it, and the complete audio. Tim Rose - In Session - 1968 - Past Daily Soundbooth – Past Daily: A Sound Archive of News, History, Music 4:33 - "Good Times Bad Times." (LOL) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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