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bouillon Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 ^ Now that's what I'd call totally insane. That has to be an out-house. Who could possibly live in those nightmarish surroundings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouillon Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 .......and CN is the only track I can bear to listen on The Wall:)......NO I mean, how can anyone who knows Floyd well ever listen to The Wall after having listened to masterpieces like See Emily play, Careful with that axe Eugene, Arnold Layne, etc. I think poor Syd would be turning in his grave:( I prefer to think Syd would be laughing. However bad The Wall is, just remember things could have been even worse if the rest of the band had chosen to go with Pros & Cons of Hitch-Hiking instead... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTM Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Bloody 'ell....After I hit the pre order button for TDSOTM immersion edition (will order the other sets nearer release dates) I was left thinking what the fuck do i want with a DSOTM Scarf, a pile of Coasters and a handful of m Marbles........Shit my misssus thinks i'm obsessed...Can't wait to show her this when she gets home a little later.............But y'know I wish it was all mine.............This collection really is impressive..a real labour of love.................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvlz2 Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Bloody 'ell....After I hit the pre order button for TDSOTM immersion edition (will order the other sets nearer release dates) I was left thinking what the fuck do i want with a DSOTM Scarf, a pile of Coasters and a handful of m Marbles........Shit my misssus thinks i'm obsessed...Can't wait to show her this when she gets home a little later..... Hilarious johnthomasmoby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenman Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 I prefer to think Syd would be laughing. However bad The Wall is, just remember things could have been even worse if the rest of the band had chosen to go with Pros & Cons of Hitch-Hiking instead... I think the real problem was that the band needed money to pay the taxman after there investments collapsed so rushed out The Wall with Waters fully at the helm, a position he didnt give up until he left the band. I don't think its any coincidense that Comfortable Numb was actually written by Gilmour during his solo album sessons, if the Wall had been delayed another year I'm guessing he could have come up with more good music to match to Waters concepts and removed some of the more annoying and whiney moments aswell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electrophile Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Well yes, the band was in financial straits, which explains why they recorded the album in the south of France, as opposed to their Britannia Row Studios in London. They were tax exiles, much like every other major act of the 70s that hailed from England. They didn't "rush" the album though, in so much as their record label offered them a larger advance if they finished the album before Christmas 1979, and that is what eventually led to Rick getting kicked out of the band. He didn't know about this offer from the record label and went on vacation with his family as planned. When Roger called him (or when he was notified in any event) about the change in plans, he refused to cut his vacation short and said he'd come back when it was over to put down his keyboard parts. This greatly angered Roger, who felt that Rick hadn't been pulling his weight the last couple albums, and this was essentially the straw that broke the camel's back. Roger threatened to pull the master tapes of everything they'd been working on so far if Rick didn't leave the group, which was essentially blackmail because without that album, there would be money and all of them had families and large homes and bills and whatnot to take care of. So maybe it would have been better for the history of the band at the very least, had the record label not offered them more money if they finished the album sooner than expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouillon Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 So maybe it would have been better for the history of the band at the very least, had the record label not offered them more money if they finished the album sooner than expected. Or if Roger hadn't been such a beastly bully. The Wall was a curious phenomenon, to say the least. I vaguely recall the press reports in the build-up to the album's release, which mentioned some kind of grandiose multi-part epic called 'Another Brick In The Wall,' so of course I was expecting something like SOYCD. And then all we got was a trite little tune repeated three times in varying hues of awfulness. Over here, I think the album was released on a Saturday, and John Peel premiered the whole thing the day before in his Friday night show. I sat in the bath to listen to it...and on first listen, it actually sounded pretty good - unusually for a PF album for me. Both DSOTM and WYWH went completely over my head on first listen. Anyway, the next morning at school, everyone was talking about it. I think my contribution was something like 'Well it was a bit weird - one good song every 20 minutes or so, with a load of crap in between them'...then we all rushed out to buy it in the afternoon. Of course, never again did it sound as good as that first bath-time listen...sure, we all got heavily into 'the concept, maan', and even ended up discussing its themes of alienation and existential angst in Religious Studies...but overall it was a huge disappointment. But the strongest and bitterest memory I have of the album is of the afternoon I bought it, sitting there in the precinct poring over the lyrics while I waited for my bus. A very cute girl, whom I knew by sight from the pub, came and sat down next to me with her friend and said hello. Being the shy and retiring kid I was back then, I muttered something like 'Do you know me?' 'No, but I'd like to,' she said . 'What are you doing later?' 'Um, I'm going home to listen to this', I said, and showed her my purchase. 'Floyd? I thought you were a punk!', quoth she. Ah, so she had noticed me before... 'Er, well, I am, but I like Floyd too'. 'Well', she said, 'my parents are out tonight, why don't you come round my house to listen to it?' 'Yeah', piped up her friend, who until then had been silent. 'Cheryl really likes you, and she likes to FUCK'. At that point, I made my excuses - something about preferring to listen to new albums without distractions - and left. And although I saw her again many times, I never got a second chance. DUH Maybe that's why I hate the album so much...although to be fair, it wouldn't have made a very good shagging soundtrack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidersandsnakes Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 Legend has it that many other top bands had "financial trouble" sometime in their careers....one e.g. is Iron Butterfly, but being INTELLIGENT artists, they didn't think of "commercializing" their music (like PF did with The Wall:)) and preferred to sit back and wait it out....the BIG diff being that IB will always be remembered as a WIMPLESS HUGE BAND while the future generations will remember THe Wall as Floyd's COMMERCIALLLY WIMPY album:)!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidersandsnakes Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 Let's face it, Floyd's downhill ride began when they outrageously ousted poor Syd:(:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenman Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 Well yes, the band was in financial straits, which explains why they recorded the album in the south of France, as opposed to their Britannia Row Studios in London. They were tax exiles, much like every other major act of the 70s that hailed from England. They didn't "rush" the album though, in so much as their record label offered them a larger advance if they finished the album before Christmas 1979, and that is what eventually led to Rick getting kicked out of the band. He didn't know about this offer from the record label and went on vacation with his family as planned. When Roger called him (or when he was notified in any event) about the change in plans, he refused to cut his vacation short and said he'd come back when it was over to put down his keyboard parts. This greatly angered Roger, who felt that Rick hadn't been pulling his weight the last couple albums, and this was essentially the straw that broke the camel's back. Roger threatened to pull the master tapes of everything they'd been working on so far if Rick didn't leave the group, which was essentially blackmail because without that album, there would be money and all of them had families and large homes and bills and whatnot to take care of. So maybe it would have been better for the history of the band at the very least, had the record label not offered them more money if they finished the album sooner than expected. If you look at the time scale for the bands previous work the Wall did seem to come out rather quickly, Darkside, Wish You Were Here and Animals were several years in the making where as Gilmour and Wright were busy doing solo work for much of 78. The other crucial difference for me is that The Wall was never "road tested", pretty much all of the Floyds very best work seemed to evolve that way going from Interstellar overdrive to the mid period classics like Set The Controls and Careful with that Axe though Echoes to much of Darkside, Wish You Were Here and Animals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidersandsnakes Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 PF's album title The Final Cut says it all....if the band wanted to "go commercial", they should have stopped at TFC:):)!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenman Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 PF's album title The Final Cut says it all....if the band wanted to "go commercial", they should have stopped at TFC:):)!!!! I'm not the biggest fan of The Final Cut but I don't really see how anyne could think it was a sign of the band going "commerical", Waters having too much influence resulting in a rather bland sound wiith a preachy concept perhaps but not one aimed at selling masses of albums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electrophile Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 The Final Cut is their lowest-selling album. It's also IMO, their worst. I don't see how "commercial" that album is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouillon Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 The Final Cut is their lowest-selling album. It's also IMO, their worst. I don't see how "commercial" that album is. Commercial suicide, if anything. I must've listened to it, grudgingly, maybe 5 times in my life. Brings to mind a madman ranting away in the pulpit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidersandsnakes Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 When I say "commercial", I mean changing the style of a band in order to sell more rather than keep the quality standard high. I couldn't care less if a record sells millions of copies....GOOD FOR THE ARTISTS IF THEY DESERVE IT......., as long as it's NOT WIMPY. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouillon Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 I don't think Waters thought The Final Cut (or The Wall, for that matter) were likely to sell squillions, and they hardly represented a commercialisation of their style. If anything, they represented the sound of a man imploding under the weight of his own self-importance. I can't speak for US fans, but part of the reason The Wall sold well over here was almost certainly down to the success of the pre-released Brick Part 2 single, which sold a shitload cos it was their first single over here since 1968, and probably lured a bunch of stigs into buying the album cos after hearing Brick, they expected an upbeat dance album... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2bitnogoodjive Posted July 4, 2011 Author Share Posted July 4, 2011 The Final Cut is their lowest-selling album. It's also IMO, their worst. I don't see how "commercial" that album is. Not their all-time lowest, that's Saucerful of Secrets. It was their lowest-selling album isince Meddle. However, it did sell over 3 million copies worldwide. Not exactly a commercial flop by any stretch of the imagination, unless the name of the band is Pink Floyd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidersandsnakes Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 I don't think Waters thought The Final Cut (or The Wall, for that matter) were likely to sell squillions, and they hardly represented a commercialisation of their style. If anything, they represented the sound of a man imploding under the weight of his own self-importance. I can't speak for US fans, but part of the reason The Wall sold well over here was almost certainly down to the success of the pre-released Brick Part 2 single, which sold a shitload cos it was their first single over here since 1968, and probably lured a bunch of stigs into buying the album cos after hearing Brick, they expected an upbeat dance album... Did Floyd need to do a "dance album"?????!!!.....they must have been real LOW in popularity and credibility to that SICK move :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electrophile Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 If you think Pink Floyd were at a low popularity or credibility-wise in 1979, you clearly know nothing about the band. The Wall (and The Final Cut) are not dance albums. So they didn't need to do one......and they didn't. Real simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Electrophile Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 The irony about that album title is that Pink Floyd didn't do "dance" songs, and even mocked that by having the dancers on the cover guyed to the ground. I thought it was a great tongue-in-cheek title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lzzoso Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Well yes, the band was in financial straits, which explains why they recorded the album in the south of France, as opposed to their Britannia Row Studios in London. They were tax exiles, much like every other major act of the 70s that hailed from England. They didn't "rush" the album though, in so much as their record label offered them a larger advance if they finished the album before Christmas 1979, and that is what eventually led to Rick getting kicked out of the band. He didn't know about this offer from the record label and went on vacation with his family as planned. When Roger called him (or when he was notified in any event) about the change in plans, he refused to cut his vacation short and said he'd come back when it was over to put down his keyboard parts. This greatly angered Roger, who felt that Rick hadn't been pulling his weight the last couple albums, and this was essentially the straw that broke the camel's back. Roger threatened to pull the master tapes of everything they'd been working on so far if Rick didn't leave the group, which was essentially blackmail because without that album, there would be money and all of them had families and large homes and bills and whatnot to take care of. So maybe it would have been better for the history of the band at the very least, had the record label not offered them more money if they finished the album sooner than expected. This is why I consider Led Zeppelin to be the Greatest Band of All-Time and a true Class Act. Led Zeppelin (as far as I know), was a band that was never in financial straits at any time during Their 12 year reign. Jimmy Page and Peter Grant made sure that that never happened. Both men were clever and shrewd businessmen. Jimmy Page was never as demanding or as self-centered as Roger Waters (and Roger is not even half as talented as Jimmy). Jimmy would never "threaten to pull the master tapes of everything they'd been working on". Led Zeppelin was a band of equals. Jimmy would never resort to "essentially blackmail" on Robert, Jonesy or Bonzo. Ever. By the way, if Pink Floyd was in financial straits during this time in their history, that can only because they were grossly mismanaged and/or not too wise with the way they handled their money. "Dark Side of the Moon" was an album that was released in 1973 and stayed on the Billboard chart for years and sold millions of copies. How Pink Floyd could be in "financial straits" is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouillon Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 By the way, if Pink Floyd was in financial straits during this time in their history, that can only because they were grossly mismanaged and/or not too wise with the way they handled their money. "Dark Side of the Moon" was an album that was released in 1973 and stayed on the Billboard chart for years and sold millions of copies. How Pink Floyd could be in "financial straits" is beyond me. I'm sure Electro can add more detail - so could I, if I could be arsed to look it up - but around the time between Animals and The Wall, they lost a ton of money when their investment arm went tits-up, either through mismanagement or fraud. Seems that, like most capitalist running dogs, the money they earned wasn't enough for them - they wanted even more. Of course, the irony will not have been lost on the author of the lyrics to the most famous song on DSOTM - though one suspects he will have failed to see the funny side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lzzoso Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 I'm sure Electro can add more detail - so could I, if I could be arsed to look it up - but around the time between Animals and The Wall, they lost a ton of money when their investment arm went tits-up, either through mismanagement or fraud. Seems that, like most capitalist running dogs, the money they earned wasn't enough for them - they wanted even more. Of course, the irony will not have been lost on the author of the lyrics to the most famous song on DSOTM - though one suspects he will have failed to see the funny side. To be completely honest, I could care less what somebody like electrophile could have to add to this. This chick has her own way of taking what someone says and trys to manipulate what others have said just to make her look good and the rest of us look bad. People like that are the worst kind of people in my opinion. Whatever you (or I) say is wrong while whatever they say is the absolute truth. And, by the way, it is very ironic that one of the best known songs by Pink Floyd is titled, "Money", when it seems that they did not have the sense to invest it right. Maybe the football team they bought and sing about was that bad that no one came to see them play. Maybe if they were as business "savvy" as Led Zeppelin and took notice to the way Led Zeppelin pulled things off, they would not have to resort to firing one of their own original members. P.S. I fully realize that Pink Floyd did not buy a football team. I was being sarcastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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