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I've said it before & I'll say it again... Rolling Stone is not a "music" magazine but a "pop culture" magazine so stop treating it as if it's some sort of slight against one's musical abilities when again the music the editorial staff does highlight (as well as movies & books) involves their slant on politics as well as their view on society & what they would like both to be rolled up into one compact ball. Sorry folks, Ritchie Blackmore will just have to take a back seat to John Lennon & Robbie Robertson in what the editors at RS think makes a better guitarist.

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Plaudits to you, the chase, for digging up that old RS poll...that is the one Taro was referring to. But I don't know what you did to your cut + paste code, but you night want to fix it so it is easier to read your post. It reads like scrambled eggs. ;)

Regarding the difference between the 2003 and 2011 polls: Apart from it being a craven attempt to generate controversy and page views, and an example of the paucity of imagination at Rolling Stone, the striking difference might be a result in a change of methodology.

I don't have the 2003 poll issue at hand, so I cannot say if it was a poll based on the editorial board or a vote taken amongst musicians or readers, or some combination of all three. The 2011 poll was however the result of a group of fellow guitarists...a poll of one's peers, one might say, and therefore, probably deserves more credence than a list drawn up by Jann Wenner and his acolytes.

It does show, that even fellow guitarists are wont to forget or underrate certain of your favourites...Roy Buchanan, for instance. So no guitarist poll will ever be perfect. It's the nature of the beast and folly trying to rank musicians anyway.

Here is attempt 2

http://www.listology.com/story/rolling-stone-100-greatest-guitarists

2003 list

I'm in a band and I've played guitar for 25 years. Some thoughts about the list.

1 Jimi Hendrix - Can't argue with this. With his output cut short, he could have been much greater.

2 Duane Allman of the Allman Brothers Band - Cetainly the greatest slide guitarist ever. Another career cut short.

3 B.B. King - I assume he's this high because of influence and what he accomplished in a long career. Technically, he's got the blues chops but doesn't really waver much from that.

4 Eric Clapton - I probably differ in opinion from many, but to me, Clapton peaked on Dekek and the Dominos and his solo records have been spotty at best. He was great for a time but never really blows me away.

5 Robert Johnson - Blues legend. Recordings aren't very listenable. Created so much but relatively unheard. I have trouble with this only because he really wasn't as good as many below him but without him, they wouldn't exist.

6 Chuck Berry - Should be no. 1 in my opinion. Created rock and roll guitar. People still try to copy his licks.

7 Stevie Ray Vaughan - Many people differ on Stevie. Some call him a Hendrix rip off. Either way, he was certainly a phenomonal guitar player.

8 Ry Cooder - Played so many different instruments and in so many different styles, it tends to water down his influence. Great player.

9 Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin - Always thought him a bit sloppy. Came up with great riffs and the Stairway solo is probably one of the greatest of all time.

10 Keith Richards of the Rolling Stones - Not sure about this. Great rhythm guitar player. Great song writer. Great guitar player? I'd put him around 25.

11 Kirk Hammett of Metallica - Some great stuff. Some crappy stuff. Would I put him this high? Probably not. Master of Puppets is a great guitar album though.

12 Kurt Cobain of Nirvana - No way. Yes he started grunge and alternate music. Was NOT a great guitar player. Wrote great songs. Should be around 50.

13 Jerry Garcia of the Grateful Dead - Never been a fan of the Dead so I feel that might unfairly lower my opinion of Jerry. I like some stuff but I've never listened to a Dead song and had the guitar work jump out at me.

14 Jeff Beck - Great player. Small amount of impressive recorded work. Besides Blow by Blow, not a lot of listenable stuff.

15 Carlos Santana - Very good. Impressive output. A bit repetitive in solo work. Great feel player.

16 Johnny Ramone of the Ramones - Started punk rock in America. Great player? Since any guitar player can learn a Ramones song in about 2 minutes, I would disagree. Influential but not great.

17 Jack White of the White Stripes - I have no idea why he is on the list at all let alone this high. The fact that Eddie Van Halen is at 70 and Jack White is 17 is a travesty. Rolling Stone has a huge bias towards this group.

18 John Frusciante of the Red Hot Chili Peppers - Good player. Fun licks. A little high but Rolling Stone had to put some names on here that some of their readers would recognize.

19 Richard Thompson - Good player that not alot of people have heard of. Hard to find his CDs as many are out of print.

20 James Burton - Country guitar picker. I haven't heard anything from him so I won't comment.

21 George Harrison - Way too high. Nice slide guitar player. Not a great guitarist.

22 Mike Bloomfield - Great blues player.

23 Warren Haynes - Joined the Allman Brothers in 1989. Nice player. A little high on the list.

24 The Edge of U2 - Hard for me to comment on Edge. Created a style of playing. Did some really nice stuff. Not a great solo player though.

25 Freddy King - Another early blues player.

26 Tom Morello of Rage Against the Machine and Audioslave - Always thought every Rage song sounded exactly the same. Too high on the list.

27 Mark Knopfler of Dire Straits - Should be higher. Great style. Great solos. Amazing stuff.

28 Stephen Stills - Very good player. Doesn't show off a lot but has the chops. Some acoustic work is very complex.

29 Ron Asheton of the Stooges - Sigh. I guess he's here for the same reason the Johnny Ramone is here.

30 Buddy Guy - Great blues player.

31 Dick Dale - The King of Surf Guitar. Great player. One of the fastest ever.

32 John Cipollina of Quicksilver Messenger Service - Never heard any of their music. Can't comment.

33 & 34 Lee Ranaldo, Thurston Moore of Sonic Youth - Great at making feedback noises. Created a new guitar style.

35 John Fahey - Brilliant folk guitar player. Probably only about 10 guys on this list could even play his stuff.

36 Steve Cropper of Booker T. and the MG's - Played as a studio musician on countless records. Great solo player.

37 Bo Diddley - Blues innovator.

38 Peter Green of Fleetwood Mac - Haven't heard a lot of his stuff, but what I have was pretty good.

39 Brian May of Queen - Love his guitar work and sound. Amazing stuff. Should be way higher. Listen to the Sheer Heart Attack album (not the song) if you don't agree. Metalica even covered a song from it.

40 John Fogerty of Creedence Clearwater Revival - Swamp guitar at its finest.

41 Clarence White of the Byrds - Hard for me to pick out exactly what he played on the Byrds songs. Not sure about him.

42 Robert Fripp of King Crimson - Another group I never liked but he's obviously good.

43 Eddie Hazel of Funkadelic - Should be in the top 10. Equal to Hendrix.

44 Scotty Moore - Pioneer guitarist on many Elvis songs.

45 Frank Zappa - Should be in the top 10. Insane at 45. Half the guys above him couldn't play his stuff with a year of practice.

46 Les Paul - Most people only think of him as making the guitar. Was a great player also.

47 T-Bone Walker - Early blues player.

48 Joe Perry of Aerosmith - Some good stuff. Some stuff recorded while stoned and sounds horrible.

49 John McLaughlin - Influential jazz guitar player. Should be higher.

50 Pete Townshend - Created the windmill and some of the greatest guitar songs ever. Not a great soloist but should be higher.

51 Paul Kossoff of Free - Ok with this placement.

52 Lou Reed - I don't think even Lou Reed would put himself this high. Wrote some great songs though.

53 Mickey Baker - Early guitarist that played a lot of session work. Was on many big hits.

54 Jorma Kaukonen of Jefferson Airplane - Love Jorma. Brilliant player. Should be higher. Solo work and Hot Tuna stuff better than Airplane songs.

55 Ritchie Blackmore of Deep Purple - Great soloist.

56 Tom Verlaine of Television - I like his stuff alot, especially the Matthew Sweet Girlfriend album.

57 Roy Buchanan - Great blues player.

58 Dickey Betts - Held his own with Duane Allman, I think that counts for higher than 58.

59 & 60 Jonny Greenwood, Ed O'Brien of Radiohead - Here because the band is popular. I love Radiohead but not "greatest" guitar players.

61 Ike Turner - Not a fan.

62 Zoot Horn Rollo of the Magic Band - Played on Trout Mask replica. Not sure why here's on the list.

63 Danny Gatton - Virtuoso player, mostly rockabilly.

64 Mick Ronson - Played with Bowie and Ian Hunter. Not as well known as he should be.

65 Hubert Sumlin - Blues guitarist for Howlin' Wolf.

66 Vernon Reid of Living Colour - Really like his playing. Relatively short life span of the group affects his rating.

67 Link Wray - If you've seen a Quentin Tarantino movie, you've heard Link Wray.

68 Jerry Miller of Moby Grape - Moby Grape has some nice guitar work but I'd put 20 other guys on this list first.

69 Steve Howe of Yes - Should be way higher. Very complicated intricate guitar work.

70 Eddie Van Halen - Should be in the top 10. This is insane.

71 Lightnin' Hopkins - Early blues player.

72 Joni Mitchell - Very complicated player. Lots of strange tunings. Very melodic. Not a soloist though.

73 Trey Anastasio of Phish - I like Try a lot. Should be higher.

74 Johnny Winter - Should be in the top 20 or at least ahead of the other blues players. Great player.

75 Adam Jones of Tool - Like Tool's songs. Guitar never stood out to me. Guess i need to listen more closely.

76 Ali Farka Toure - West African player. Never heard of him. Can't comment.

77 Henry Vestine of Canned Heat - Uggh. Going to the Country is one of my all time least favorite songs. Maybe other stuff is good.

78 Robbie Robertson of the Band - Very underrated. Great "feel" guitarist. His guitar sounds searing on The Last Waltz. Should be higher.

79 Cliff Gallup of the Blue Caps - Played guitar for Gene Vincent (Bee Bop a Lula). Early impressive guitarist.

80 Robert Quine of the Voidoids - Also of Television. Like his work of Matthew Sweet's albums.

81 Derek Trucks - Nephew of Virgil. Competent player.

82 David Gilmour of Pink Floyd - Comfortably Numb is one of the greatest solos ever. Should be way higher.

83 Neil Young - Not a great player but well known. I like his songs a lot but it doesn't make him one of the greatest 100 guitarists.

84 Eddie Cochran - Died early. Good pinoneer guitarist (Summertime Blues).

85 Randy Rhoads - Should be in the top 10. Amazing player. Died too young.

86 Tony Iommi of Black Sabbath - More of a riff player than known for solos. Probably why he's at 86.

87 Joan Jett - I have no idea why she's on this list. Where's Bonnie Raitt? She could play circles around Joan Jett. Looking good in leather pants gets you on the list I guess.

88 Dave Davies of the Kinks - I love the Kinks. Dave created some of the great early guitar styles.

89 D. Boon of the Minutemen - Haven't heard any of his stuff. Can't comment.

90 Glen Buxton of Alice Cooper - Very good player.

91 Robby Krieger of the Doors - Hate the Doors but respect Kreiger.

92 & 93 Fred "Sonic" Smith, Wayne Kramer of the MC5 - On here for one song - Kick Out The Jams.

94 Bert Jansch - Never heard his work.

95 Kevin Shields of My Bloody Valentine - Like Sonic Youth, the wall of distortion and sound. Not technically impressive.

96 Angus Young of AC/DC - He's better than you think.

97 Robert Randolph - Pedal Steel player. Have not heard him.

98 Leigh Stephens of Blue Cheer - ????

99 Greg Ginn of Black Flag - Good punk guitarist.

100 Kim Thayil of Soundgarden - Pretty good guitarist.

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^ No Rory Gallagher in top 100 = Only Fit For Toilet Paper.

And I don't care whether this was compiled from the votes of RS staff, guitarists or the general pubic: they can all take a long hard suck on my arse.

Robin Trower always gets ignored on these polls too.

So doesn't Frank Marino, Todd Rundgren, Rod Price, Allan Holdsworth, Pat Metheny .. all amazing players.

Tony Iommi at 86?

OMG. Jimmy Page would not be happy with you. "Black Mountain Side."?

Those aren't my comments... I posted the link.

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Plaudits to you, the chase, for digging up that old RS poll...that is the one Taro was referring to. But I don't know what you did to your cut + paste code, but you night want to fix it so it is easier to read your post. It reads like scrambled eggs. ;)

Regarding the difference between the 2003 and 2011 polls: Apart from it being a craven attempt to generate controversy and page views, and an example of the paucity of imagination at Rolling Stone, the striking difference might be a result in a change of methodology.

I don't have the 2003 poll issue at hand, so I cannot say if it was a poll based on the editorial board or a vote taken amongst musicians or readers, or some combination of all three. The 2011 poll was however the result of a group of fellow guitarists...a poll of one's peers, one might say, and therefore, probably deserves more credence than a list drawn up by Jann Wenner and his acolytes.

It does show, that even fellow guitarists are wont to forget or underrate certain of your favourites...Roy Buchanan, for instance. So no guitarist poll will ever be perfect. It's the nature of the beast and folly trying to rank musicians anyway.

The previous list was compiled bu the ditor David Fricke.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-guitarists-of-all-time-19691231 -- 2003 list.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-guitarists-20111123 -- 2011 list.

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RS has a special edition of their 100 Greatest Gutarists of All Time out on news stands now. The issues I saw has nothing but the Guiatrists in there...

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The above is the issue of Rolling Stone that this new poll originally appeared in last year. Below is the same poll as published this year in a separate stand-alone issue by RS.

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The above is the issue of Rolling Stone that this new poll originally appeared in last year. Below is the same poll as published this year in a separate stand-alone issue by RS.

Thanks for posting those because I was beginning to get really confused (again).

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Thanks for posting those because I was beginning to get really confused (again).

Thanks for correcting that Strider. At first, I couldn't remember the cover exactly (I didn't buy it at $12...)

But, when I went back to the grocery store, I did notice that it was the Hendrix cover with the guitar on fire.

Sorry for the confusion Jafin. This is definitely the cover for the issue, but as already stated, it's the same poll results from Nov. of 2011. Just some extra articles added at the end.

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Here is attempt 2

http://www.listology...test-guitarists

2003 list

I'm in a band and I've played guitar for 25 years. Some thoughts about the list.

1 Jimi Hendrix - Can't argue with this. With his output cut short, he could have been much greater.

2 Duane Allman of the Allman Brothers Band - Cetainly the greatest slide guitarist ever. Another career cut short.

3 B.B. King - I assume he's this high because of influence and what he accomplished in a long career. Technically, he's got the blues chops but doesn't really waver much from that.

4 Eric Clapton - I probably differ in opinion from many, but to me, Clapton peaked on Dekek and the Dominos and his solo records have been spotty at best. He was great for a time but never really blows me away.

5 Robert Johnson - Blues legend. Recordings aren't very listenable. Created so much but relatively unheard. I have trouble with this only because he really wasn't as good as many below him but without him, they wouldn't exist.

6 Chuck Berry - Should be no. 1 in my opinion. Created rock and roll guitar. People still try to copy his licks.

7 Stevie Ray Vaughan - Many people differ on Stevie. Some call him a Hendrix rip off. Either way, he was certainly a phenomonal guitar player.

8 Ry Cooder - Played so many different instruments and in so many different styles, it tends to water down his influence. Great player.

9 Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin - Always thought him a bit sloppy. Came up with great riffs and the Stairway solo is probably one of the greatest of all time.

10 Keith Richards of the Rolling Stones - Not sure about this. Great rhythm guitar player. Great song writer. Great guitar player? I'd put him around 25.

11 Kirk Hammett of Metallica - Some great stuff. Some crappy stuff. Would I put him this high? Probably not. Master of Puppets is a great guitar album though.

12 Kurt Cobain of Nirvana - No way. Yes he started grunge and alternate music. Was NOT a great guitar player. Wrote great songs. Should be around 50.

13 Jerry Garcia of the Grateful Dead - Never been a fan of the Dead so I feel that might unfairly lower my opinion of Jerry. I like some stuff but I've never listened to a Dead song and had the guitar work jump out at me.

14 Jeff Beck - Great player. Small amount of impressive recorded work. Besides Blow by Blow, not a lot of listenable stuff.

15 Carlos Santana - Very good. Impressive output. A bit repetitive in solo work. Great feel player.

16 Johnny Ramone of the Ramones - Started punk rock in America. Great player? Since any guitar player can learn a Ramones song in about 2 minutes, I would disagree. Influential but not great.

17 Jack White of the White Stripes - I have no idea why he is on the list at all let alone this high. The fact that Eddie Van Halen is at 70 and Jack White is 17 is a travesty. Rolling Stone has a huge bias towards this group.

18 John Frusciante of the Red Hot Chili Peppers - Good player. Fun licks. A little high but Rolling Stone had to put some names on here that some of their readers would recognize.

19 Richard Thompson - Good player that not alot of people have heard of. Hard to find his CDs as many are out of print.

20 James Burton - Country guitar picker. I haven't heard anything from him so I won't comment.

21 George Harrison - Way too high. Nice slide guitar player. Not a great guitarist.

22 Mike Bloomfield - Great blues player.

23 Warren Haynes - Joined the Allman Brothers in 1989. Nice player. A little high on the list.

24 The Edge of U2 - Hard for me to comment on Edge. Created a style of playing. Did some really nice stuff. Not a great solo player though.

25 Freddy King - Another early blues player.

26 Tom Morello of Rage Against the Machine and Audioslave - Always thought every Rage song sounded exactly the same. Too high on the list.

27 Mark Knopfler of Dire Straits - Should be higher. Great style. Great solos. Amazing stuff.

28 Stephen Stills - Very good player. Doesn't show off a lot but has the chops. Some acoustic work is very complex.

29 Ron Asheton of the Stooges - Sigh. I guess he's here for the same reason the Johnny Ramone is here.

30 Buddy Guy - Great blues player.

31 Dick Dale - The King of Surf Guitar. Great player. One of the fastest ever.

32 John Cipollina of Quicksilver Messenger Service - Never heard any of their music. Can't comment.

33 & 34 Lee Ranaldo, Thurston Moore of Sonic Youth - Great at making feedback noises. Created a new guitar style.

35 John Fahey - Brilliant folk guitar player. Probably only about 10 guys on this list could even play his stuff.

36 Steve Cropper of Booker T. and the MG's - Played as a studio musician on countless records. Great solo player.

37 Bo Diddley - Blues innovator.

38 Peter Green of Fleetwood Mac - Haven't heard a lot of his stuff, but what I have was pretty good.

39 Brian May of Queen - Love his guitar work and sound. Amazing stuff. Should be way higher. Listen to the Sheer Heart Attack album (not the song) if you don't agree. Metalica even covered a song from it.

40 John Fogerty of Creedence Clearwater Revival - Swamp guitar at its finest.

41 Clarence White of the Byrds - Hard for me to pick out exactly what he played on the Byrds songs. Not sure about him.

42 Robert Fripp of King Crimson - Another group I never liked but he's obviously good.

43 Eddie Hazel of Funkadelic - Should be in the top 10. Equal to Hendrix.

44 Scotty Moore - Pioneer guitarist on many Elvis songs.

45 Frank Zappa - Should be in the top 10. Insane at 45. Half the guys above him couldn't play his stuff with a year of practice.

46 Les Paul - Most people only think of him as making the guitar. Was a great player also.

47 T-Bone Walker - Early blues player.

48 Joe Perry of Aerosmith - Some good stuff. Some stuff recorded while stoned and sounds horrible.

49 John McLaughlin - Influential jazz guitar player. Should be higher.

50 Pete Townshend - Created the windmill and some of the greatest guitar songs ever. Not a great soloist but should be higher.

51 Paul Kossoff of Free - Ok with this placement.

52 Lou Reed - I don't think even Lou Reed would put himself this high. Wrote some great songs though.

53 Mickey Baker - Early guitarist that played a lot of session work. Was on many big hits.

54 Jorma Kaukonen of Jefferson Airplane - Love Jorma. Brilliant player. Should be higher. Solo work and Hot Tuna stuff better than Airplane songs.

55 Ritchie Blackmore of Deep Purple - Great soloist.

56 Tom Verlaine of Television - I like his stuff alot, especially the Matthew Sweet Girlfriend album.

57 Roy Buchanan - Great blues player.

58 Dickey Betts - Held his own with Duane Allman, I think that counts for higher than 58.

59 & 60 Jonny Greenwood, Ed O'Brien of Radiohead - Here because the band is popular. I love Radiohead but not "greatest" guitar players.

61 Ike Turner - Not a fan.

62 Zoot Horn Rollo of the Magic Band - Played on Trout Mask replica. Not sure why here's on the list.

63 Danny Gatton - Virtuoso player, mostly rockabilly.

64 Mick Ronson - Played with Bowie and Ian Hunter. Not as well known as he should be.

65 Hubert Sumlin - Blues guitarist for Howlin' Wolf.

66 Vernon Reid of Living Colour - Really like his playing. Relatively short life span of the group affects his rating.

67 Link Wray - If you've seen a Quentin Tarantino movie, you've heard Link Wray.

68 Jerry Miller of Moby Grape - Moby Grape has some nice guitar work but I'd put 20 other guys on this list first.

69 Steve Howe of Yes - Should be way higher. Very complicated intricate guitar work.

70 Eddie Van Halen - Should be in the top 10. This is insane.

71 Lightnin' Hopkins - Early blues player.

72 Joni Mitchell - Very complicated player. Lots of strange tunings. Very melodic. Not a soloist though.

73 Trey Anastasio of Phish - I like Try a lot. Should be higher.

74 Johnny Winter - Should be in the top 20 or at least ahead of the other blues players. Great player.

75 Adam Jones of Tool - Like Tool's songs. Guitar never stood out to me. Guess i need to listen more closely.

76 Ali Farka Toure - West African player. Never heard of him. Can't comment.

77 Henry Vestine of Canned Heat - Uggh. Going to the Country is one of my all time least favorite songs. Maybe other stuff is good.

78 Robbie Robertson of the Band - Very underrated. Great "feel" guitarist. His guitar sounds searing on The Last Waltz. Should be higher.

79 Cliff Gallup of the Blue Caps - Played guitar for Gene Vincent (Bee Bop a Lula). Early impressive guitarist.

80 Robert Quine of the Voidoids - Also of Television. Like his work of Matthew Sweet's albums.

81 Derek Trucks - Nephew of Virgil. Competent player.

82 David Gilmour of Pink Floyd - Comfortably Numb is one of the greatest solos ever. Should be way higher.

83 Neil Young - Not a great player but well known. I like his songs a lot but it doesn't make him one of the greatest 100 guitarists.

84 Eddie Cochran - Died early. Good pinoneer guitarist (Summertime Blues).

85 Randy Rhoads - Should be in the top 10. Amazing player. Died too young.

86 Tony Iommi of Black Sabbath - More of a riff player than known for solos. Probably why he's at 86.

87 Joan Jett - I have no idea why she's on this list. Where's Bonnie Raitt? She could play circles around Joan Jett. Looking good in leather pants gets you on the list I guess.

88 Dave Davies of the Kinks - I love the Kinks. Dave created some of the great early guitar styles.

89 D. Boon of the Minutemen - Haven't heard any of his stuff. Can't comment.

90 Glen Buxton of Alice Cooper - Very good player.

91 Robby Krieger of the Doors - Hate the Doors but respect Kreiger.

92 & 93 Fred "Sonic" Smith, Wayne Kramer of the MC5 - On here for one song - Kick Out The Jams.

94 Bert Jansch - Never heard his work.

95 Kevin Shields of My Bloody Valentine - Like Sonic Youth, the wall of distortion and sound. Not technically impressive.

96 Angus Young of AC/DC - He's better than you think.

97 Robert Randolph - Pedal Steel player. Have not heard him.

98 Leigh Stephens of Blue Cheer - ????

99 Greg Ginn of Black Flag - Good punk guitarist.

100 Kim Thayil of Soundgarden - Pretty good guitarist.

You know your stuff. I think in #94, you allude to Bert Jansch being a "mousy" player - not that you actually never heard his work?

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I don't think EC is really overrated as a musician because he is one of the all-time greatest. I do think his guitar playing tends to be slightly overrated because people fail to make the distinction between someone's guitar playing and their career as a whole. I think this is the same reason people like Kurt Cobain tends to come in pretty high. He wasn't very impressive on the guitar imo but he had a great overall musical career.

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