SteveAJones Posted June 20, 2017 Author Share Posted June 20, 2017 3 hours ago, JTM said: So why did they not Tazer her, or shoot to wound, a kneecap maybe. Seems they took the easy option "bang bang you're dead".. Police are not trained to "shoot to wound" and rightly so. 53 minutes ago, IpMan said: Then what is the reason & use of a Taser? Why are officers given Tasers if they are going to disregard it in such situations? I have several cousins who are current police offices and uncles who are retired police officers. The fact is, what you describe is a very recent phenomenon. Prior to the early 2000's, a police officers was trained to use deadly force as a last resort option only. In fact the Taser was developed to deal with non-firearm related threats and the company which makes them has marketing videos & literature which strongly backs this up. When police began buying the units they did so for this express purpose. Only in the past 15 years or so have Tasers job changed from this idea to immobilize a perp with a knife, club, bowling pin, etc. to being used principally as a glorified cattle prod to torture citizens who are either too shaken up to respond to commands quickly or just "because." The problem is police are now trained as a para-military force, us vs. them. Protect and serve died two decades ago, now the police have morphed into a street army where anyone not a cop is a potential threat to be neutralized. Tasers are not as effective and reliable as you keep insisting they are. Google it. That said, when someone is brandishing a weapon the use of deadly force is authorized and, as far as I'm concerned, the appropriate response. Spare me the "protect and serve died two decades ago" bullshit. People were shouting "No Justice, No Peace" back in 1993 and burning cities down in 1967 over so-called police brutality. People complained about Wyatt Earp as well, for that matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IpMan Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 33 minutes ago, SteveAJones said: Police are not trained to "shoot to wound" and rightly so. Tasers are not as effective and reliable as you keep insisting they are. Google it. That said, when someone is brandishing a weapon the use of deadly force is authorized and, as far as I'm concerned, the appropriate response. Spare me the "protect and serve died two decades ago" bullshit. People were shouting "No Justice, No Peace" back in 1993 and burning cities down in 1967 over so-called police brutality. People complained about Wyatt Earp as well, for that matter. Unlike modern police Earp never killed a man that was not actively trying to blow his head off with their own gun. Earp shot only one person before the infamous OK Corral incident, and that person shot at him first. Understand the difference? When a officer from the Wild West exercises more restraint than a modern law enforcement officer, I believe my point has been made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTM Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 5 hours ago, Stryder1978 said: It's called self-preservation. If someone comes at you with a knife, you are trained to stop them to save yourself. Only on silly TV shows and movies do you see people aiming to "wing" a perpetrator...... I can speak from experience having been an emergency responder for 14 years. So two grown men could not work out how to get a knife off the person wielding it, a person undoubtedly smaller and lighter than they are, what happened to the so called training, have these two grown men not been trained even the most basic martial arts. Two of them for ef sake. Imo they took the easy (I am really refraining here) option. Cheap and nasty law enforcement imo...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted June 21, 2017 Author Share Posted June 21, 2017 13 hours ago, IpMan said: Unlike modern police Earp never killed a man that was not actively trying to blow his head off with their own gun. Earp shot only one person before the infamous OK Corral incident, and that person shot at him first. Understand the difference? When a officer from the Wild West exercises more restraint than a modern law enforcement officer, I believe my point has been made. Let's cut to the chase. Your posts here make it clear you have pathological issues with all authority figures. 12 hours ago, JTM said: So two grown men could not work out how to get a knife off the person wielding it, a person undoubtedly smaller and lighter than they are, what happened to the so called training, have these two grown men not been trained even the most basic martial arts. Two of them for ef sake. Imo they took the easy (I am really refraining here) option. Cheap and nasty law enforcement imo...... So now we've gone from why not use tasers to why not use martial arts? You guys are so naive and completely full of shit. I can promise you ANYONE brandishes a knife at me they will take two in the chest EVERY time, and then I'll go home and sleep like a baby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sathington Willoughby Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 18 hours ago, IpMan said: Then what is the reason & use of a Taser? Why are officers given Tasers if they are going to disregard it in such situations? I have several cousins who are current police offices and uncles who are retired police officers. The fact is, what you describe is a very recent phenomenon. Prior to the early 2000's, a police officers was trained to use deadly force as a last resort option only. In fact the Taser was developed to deal with non-firearm related threats and the company which makes them has marketing videos & literature which strongly backs this up. When police began buying the units they did so for this express purpose. Only in the past 15 years or so have Tasers job changed from this idea to immobilize a perp with a knife, club, bowling pin, etc. to being used principally as a glorified cattle prod to torture citizens who are either too shaken up to respond to commands quickly or just "because." The problem is police are now trained as a para-military force, us vs. them. Protect and serve died two decades ago, now the police have morphed into a street army where anyone not a cop is a potential threat to be neutralized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IpMan Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 9 hours ago, SteveAJones said: Let's cut to the chase. Your posts here make it clear you have pathological issues with all authority figures. How so Steve? What I posted is historical fact, easily researched. Your response makes no sense and is akin to, "Hey....what's that over there..." being shouted during a game of three card monty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greengrass Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 wtf is all this squabbling about^^^ start another fuckin thread , entitle it - " I dont agree with you , Because" Btw... My across the street neighbour died yesterday. Mean old bastard , 84 yrs old , one of those " Gran Torino " type old codgers , but i'll miss him. He once called my dog a shit machine LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BledZabbath Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 On 6/20/2017 at 11:09 AM, IpMan said: Then what is the reason & use of a Taser? Why are officers given Tasers if they are going to disregard it in such situations? I have several cousins who are current police offices and uncles who are retired police officers. The fact is, what you describe is a very recent phenomenon. Prior to the early 2000's, a police officers was trained to use deadly force as a last resort option only. In fact the Taser was developed to deal with non-firearm related threats and the company which makes them has marketing videos & literature which strongly backs this up. When police began buying the units they did so for this express purpose. Only in the past 15 years or so have Tasers job changed from this idea to immobilize a perp with a knife, club, bowling pin, etc. to being used principally as a glorified cattle prod to torture citizens who are either too shaken up to respond to commands quickly or just "because." The problem is police are now trained as a para-military force, us vs. them. Protect and serve died two decades ago, now the police have morphed into a street army where anyone not a cop is a potential threat to be neutralized. I agree with you IpMan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greengrass Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 it figures... fuck this thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the chase Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 2 hours ago, greengrass said: wtf is all this squabbling about^^^ start another fuckin thread , entitle it - " I dont agree with you , Because" Btw... My across the street neighbour died yesterday. Mean old bastard , 84 yrs old , one of those " Gran Torino " type old codgers , but i'll miss him. He once called my dog a shit machine LOL I'm sorry about your neighbor greengrass.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greengrass Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 20 minutes ago, the chase said: I'm sorry about your neighbor greengrass.. Thanks man , one of a kinds are running out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the chase Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, greengrass said: Thanks man , one of a kinds are running out. They sure are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IpMan Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 3 hours ago, greengrass said: wtf is all this squabbling about^^^ start another fuckin thread , entitle it - " I dont agree with you , Because" Btw... My across the street neighbour died yesterday. Mean old bastard , 84 yrs old , one of those " Gran Torino " type old codgers , but i'll miss him. He once called my dog a shit machine LOL So sorry to hear of the passing of your neighbor Green. Look at it this way, maybe Steve will move in and restore the balance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted June 22, 2017 Author Share Posted June 22, 2017 2 hours ago, IpMan said: So sorry to hear of the passing of your neighbor Green. Look at it this way, maybe Steve will move in and restore the balance. I'm your Huckleberry. He did say he was running out of one of a kinds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvlz2 Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 (edited) 15 Years Ago: The Who's John Entwistle Dies By Martin Kielty June 27, 2017 John Entwistle's death attracted as much attention as he always had onstage with the Who. On June 27, 2002, at age 57, he died in a Las Vegas hotel room with a groupie sleeping beside him. He'd suffered a heart attack brought on by cocaine usage, and fueled by a undiagnosed condition. The Who has been set to launch a large-scale tour the following day. Nicknamed the Ox for his larger-than-life physical bearing and attitude, and nicknamed Thunderfingers for the noise he delivered through his bass amps, Entwistle was perhaps a heavier influence on rock music than many people realized. He's pioneered the use of powerful amplification, using 200 watts of power when most bands used 50. The move helped cement the success of the Marshall company, and led to the Who achieving an entry in The Guinness Book of Records for playing the loudest rock concert in history. Entwistle has also pioneered the use of feedback in music and smashing his instrument, with Jimi Hendrix following suit after seeing Entwistle do it. Entwistle, who'd gone to school with bandmate Pete Townshend, developed a playing technique that allowed him to get the best out of his colleagues. Neither Townshend nor drummer Keith Moon (who died in 1978) were standard performers on their instruments, and so Entwistle adopted a style that saw him delivering more lead material than traditional bass performances. Rumors abounded that his lifestyle had left him with financial problems, and that the Who's semi-regular reunions since splitting in 1983 were a way for the band to help prop up their bass player's band account. But by the time the 2002 tour was being prepared, Entwistle reported that the band was working on new material and that there was no end in sight. In an interview recorded soon before his death , he said, "I used to be more prolific, but it became a way of life that I didn't like. I didn't want, on my days off, to shut myself in the studio writing." Still, he admitted, scoring writing credits 'means you earn a lot more money." His sudden death forced the rest of the band into a quandary. Singer Roger Daltrey later said, "For once we had a choice of whether to stop or go on. We added up the number of people the tour would employ and it added into the thousands." He had an additional reason for wanting to continue. "I felt we should go on to show people our age that we are in the drop zone," he said. "What do you do when your mates die? You can't stop living. You've got to go on." But he deferred the final decision to Townshend, whose choice to continue might have been based on the way he was dealing with the tragedy. "I couldn't afford to feel anything -- I could see how feeling things was affecting Roger," he said. "He was shaking. He couldn't even hold a cup of tea. I thought, 'I've got to keep myself composed,' and the way I did that was I cut myself off from my feelings." After a handful of cancellations, the Who returned to action on July 1, 2002, at the Hollywood Bowl with Welsh session bassist Pino Palladino, who remained in the fold until last year. The show was dedicated to Entwistle, and Townshend told the crowd, "It is difficult." Late, he admitted that, on looking across the stage and noting his late colleague's absence, "I wanted to die." But Daltrey noted that, after the first show, "it didn't get any more difficult." But the Ox had left the band with some of his bullish determination -- left as officially a duo, Townshend and Daltrey took stock of their famously fractious relationship, decided their friendship was more important than anything else and went back to work. (In 2004, Daltrey joked that his first reaction to Entwistle's death was "Oh, f--, I'm left with the miserable one.") Townshend wrote the 2004 song "Old Red Wine" about Entwistle, inspired by the bassist's penchant for expensive bottles, no matter how bad they tasted. "Sometimes they were terrible -- he's be drinking mud half the time," said the guitarist, adding that the overall image matched his vision of Entwistle, complete with heart disorder. "When he died, he was this wonderful, mature, elegant casing, but he was a bit muddy inside. It was a secret until you opened the bottle. In Las Vegas, someone opened the bottle." Ultimate Classic Rock Photo of the Hard Rock Casino in Vegas my friend took at the time. Edited June 28, 2017 by luvlz2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greengrass Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Update on my dead neighbour - His estate sale is this week. vomitus .... ugh yesterday I walked over there and looked around , I couldn't buy any of this old guys (hey YOU, get outta my yard!) stuff. He had some really nice afterlife offerings though.... with the typical greedy offspring/family type prices. I guess when you're deadgone , you're fame/fortune is in your beneficiaries hands....like it really matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingzoso Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 My oldest cousin passed away earlier yesterday. He was only 52 years old. He was a big and strong man who was a corrections officer in a Houston prison. He was a great guy who always treated the people in prison with respect. He was also a die-hard Harley Davidson rider. Some rare disease took his life early today. His name was Joe, Junior and he passed away in Houston, Texas with dozens of his family members right by His side. Unfortunately, I could not be there to say My last respects. He was 52 and I am 46 years old. He knew that I am a die-hard Led Zeppelin fan and He was a die-hard Kiss Fan. We had often had, in the past, fun debates of who was the best and greatest band from the 1970's. I would always win because I would always point out that Ace Frehley was a big fan of Jimmy Page. I am not a person who cries often, but I am so sad that my first and oldest cousin in no longer around to talk to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted July 3, 2017 Author Share Posted July 3, 2017 On 7/1/2017 at 1:48 AM, kingzoso said: My oldest cousin passed away earlier yesterday. He was only 52 years old. He was a big and strong man who was a corrections officer in a Houston prison. He was a great guy who always treated the people in prison with respect. He was also a die-hard Harley Davidson rider. Some rare disease took his life early today. His name was Joe, Junior and he passed away in Houston, Texas with dozens of his family members right by His side. Unfortunately, I could not be there to say My last respects. He was 52 and I am 46 years old. He knew that I am a die-hard Led Zeppelin fan and He was a die-hard Kiss Fan. We had often had, in the past, fun debates of who was the best and greatest band from the 1970's. I would always win because I would always point out that Ace Frehley was a big fan of Jimmy Page. I am not a person who cries often, but I am so sad that my first and oldest cousin in no longer around to talk to. I'm sorry to hear this, kingzoso. I believe you will find he is still around to talk to, though not in the literal sense. I find we do continue relating to those we care about. Coincidentally, I'll be in Houston for a few days after the 4th of July. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 On 7/1/2017 at 2:48 AM, kingzoso said: My oldest cousin passed away earlier yesterday. He was only 52 years old. He was a big and strong man who was a corrections officer in a Houston prison. He was a great guy who always treated the people in prison with respect. He was also a die-hard Harley Davidson rider. Some rare disease took his life early today. His name was Joe, Junior and he passed away in Houston, Texas with dozens of his family members right by His side. Unfortunately, I could not be there to say My last respects. He was 52 and I am 46 years old. He knew that I am a die-hard Led Zeppelin fan and He was a die-hard Kiss Fan. We had often had, in the past, fun debates of who was the best and greatest band from the 1970's. I would always win because I would always point out that Ace Frehley was a big fan of Jimmy Page. I am not a person who cries often, but I am so sad that my first and oldest cousin in no longer around to talk to. Very sorry to read this. My condolences to you and your family. Godspeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingzoso Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 6 hours ago, SteveAJones said: I'm sorry to hear this, kingzoso. I believe you will find he is still around to talk to, though not in the literal sense. I find we do continue relating to those we care about. Coincidentally, I'll be in Houston for a few days after the 4th of July. Thanks Steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingzoso Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 5 hours ago, Walter said: Very sorry to read this. My condolences to you and your family. Godspeed. Thanks Walter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvlz2 Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 On 6/30/2017 at 11:48 PM, kingzoso said: My oldest cousin passed away earlier yesterday. He was only 52 years old. He was a big and strong man who was a corrections officer in a Houston prison. He was a great guy who always treated the people in prison with respect. He was also a die-hard Harley Davidson rider. Some rare disease took his life early today. His name was Joe, Junior and he passed away in Houston, Texas with dozens of his family members right by His side. Unfortunately, I could not be there to say My last respects. He was 52 and I am 46 years old. He knew that I am a die-hard Led Zeppelin fan and He was a die-hard Kiss Fan. We had often had, in the past, fun debates of who was the best and greatest band from the 1970's. I would always win because I would always point out that Ace Frehley was a big fan of Jimmy Page. I am not a person who cries often, but I am so sad that my first and oldest cousin in no longer around to talk to. I'm really sorry to read about your loss. My condolences to you and your family as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingzoso Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, luvlz2 said: I'm really sorry to read about your loss. My condolences to you and your family as well. Thank You luvlz2. Coming from you, Steve and Walter, this means a lot. I forgot to mention that Joe was also a good guitar player who had a band who were pretty popular (in the mid 80's) in the Houston area. The name of his band was Wicked Jester. Edited July 4, 2017 by kingzoso Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindwillie127 Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 John Blackwell, gone at 43 yrs old....damn! RIP man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redrum Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 John Blackwell, gone at 43 yrs old....damn! RIP man Way too young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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