Stargroves Tangie Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Yeah, the Beatles didnt do anything groundbreaking or significant. On an episode of Beavis & Butthead, they were watching a video (it might have been Madness), and Beavis asks Butthead what band it is. Butthead says "I think this is those asswipes the Beatles. They ruined music." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninelives Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Thanks man! I am still a fan of Michael's, although he has had alot of personal problems, but you cannot deny the man's talent! I also grew up with the Jackson 5 too. I am also a Madonna fan too, I think she's cool. I just love the 80's music!! I love a lot of 80s music too. I don't know how I feel about Madonna being inducted. She was really more of a cultural icon (whether one agrees or not) than musically innovative so I don't know if it makes sense or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dzldoc Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Thanks man! I am still a fan of Michael's, although he has had alot of personal problems, but you cannot deny the man's talent! I also grew up with the Jackson 5 too. I am also a Madonna fan too, I think she's cool. I just love the 80's music!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUCK'EYE' DOC Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 I think that it is absolutely absurdly ridiculous that Madonna is in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Her music is not rock, but is pop music at it's worst. Just shows how much power and influence that she has. That is what got her into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. She has no talent, she was just a sensationalist weilding her influence on impressionable girls in the 1980's to become a supposed fashion icon. She became popular and rich for her antics outside of music and the media is afraid to get on her bad side so they put her up on a undeserved pedestal and thus give her even more power and influence. I could not tell you a single song that she sang except for "Like a Virgin", and I only know that song from the Bridgette Jones movie. And Deep Purple should have been in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame long ago. Next to "Stairway to Heaven" their "Smoke on the Water" has to be the second most recognized rock song of all time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lzfan715 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 I don't know who exactly is in there and who isn't. I do know that Madonna is in there, and I think that is the biggest load of bull I have ever heard. What did she do for rock music? Establish what it isn't? I do not like Madumba one bit. (sorry about the pun there, I thought it was funny when it popped into my head. Maybe it's just because I'm a teenager who finds such things funny.) Her stuff is also in the Hard Rocks, I know because I saw it, right by John Bonham's drum, that I touched even though the sign said no touching. I simply couldn't resist the urge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanie_72 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 That was wonderful, great memories, thanks for sharing the link!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PennyLane Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Thanks for the memories of the 80's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danelectro59 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Should: Deep Purple, Iron Maiden, any others? Shouldnt: Well personally I dont like Pink Floyd or The Beatles but any others? I'm surprised you weren't thrown on the fire. I brought this subject up soon after I joined as was put directly in my place about the no. of times this had come up. Oh well, I agree that the RRHOF, should be renamed The Rock & Roll Hall of Shame (or sham) The Beatles? Telling me your joking, smoked something funny, or severely bumped your head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JethroTull Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 (edited) I think The Sonics should be in the RARHOF. They have influenced the whole garag rock and punk scene. They are punk rock Gods! They were way ahead of their time. Their version of Louie Louie from '66 makes the Kingsmen's and all the other versions sound like Mel Tormé. Check out the guitar breaks and Gerry's screams, f'n fantastic! Hi Swede, When I first saw your post, I looked forward to the videos of the band you touted. I have to admit, I was a bit disappointed. Here is my analysis after thinking about this for a day or two......Maybe they were ahead of their time, but compared to what else was out there at the time, it comes off as a bit lame. Compared to the bands of the first British Invasion during the mid-60's, The Sonics would have never amounted to anything more than a cult band(which they were). When "their time" did come, let's say around 1976/77/78, it was too late. Well thanks for that post..... Hmmmm....wikipedia has an interesting write-up on the lads..I'll do some more homework. Edited December 20, 2008 by JethroTull Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtPepper67 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Rush and Deep Purple should definitely be in, it's incredible those bands haven't been inducted yet. Madonna and Michael Jackson shouldn't be at all, they have nothing to do with rock and roll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickZepp Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 It's not about whether the artist is considered a "rock and roll" artist that sings "rock" music, but it is their contributions to music in general. It's the rock and roll hall of fame not the music hall of fame. If you think of it as contributions to music than Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Hadyn etc should all be in the rock and roll hall of fame. It's not the music hall of fame, it's the rock and roll hall of fame. There is nothing in Michael Jackson's music outside of maybe the Jackson 5 that I consider rock and roll. Same with Madonna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JethroTull Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 (edited) How depressing is this? The Eagles are in!! Edited December 21, 2008 by JethroTull Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedZep1969 Posted December 21, 2008 Author Share Posted December 21, 2008 It's not about the bands one likes, it's about their contribution to rock 'n roll music. I don't think there are too many performers that shouldn't have been added to the list, they all had their part ; But there are probably some bands that deserve a place there but didn't get it. touche then i guess i take that back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanie_72 Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 It's the rock and roll hall of fame not the music hall of fame. If you think of it as contributions to music than Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Hadyn etc should all be in the rock and roll hall of fame. It's not the music hall of fame, it's the rock and roll hall of fame. There is nothing in Michael Jackson's music outside of maybe the Jackson 5 that I consider rock and roll. Same with Madonna. Duh, I know that. I was going in the direction that the term "rock and roll" is used in general terms to cover all music although these people mentioned aren't actually "rock" singers. Hey, there are lots of R&B artists in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame too, so are you saying they don't deserve to be there either just because they don't sing "rock music"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tophat Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 Genesis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swede Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Hi Swede, When I first saw your post, I looked forward to the videos of the band you touted. I have to admit, I was a bit disappointed. Here is my analysis after thinking about this for a day or two......Maybe they were ahead of their time, but compared to what else was out there at the time, it comes off as a bit lame. Compared to the bands of the first British Invasion during the mid-60's, The Sonics would have never amounted to anything more than a cult band(which they were). When "their time" did come, let's say around 1976/77/78, it was too late. Well thanks for that post..... Hmmmm....wikipedia has an interesting write-up on the lads..I'll do some more homework. As songwriters, I would not call them inovators, but definitely sound wise. All though their first single "The Witch", from 1964, does have a bit of an unusal chord structure for the time. They sound like a cross between Little Richard on acid and early Kinks playing punk. Their sound was extremely distorted. It's quite an irony they are touring all over the world today having huge crowds, while back in the sixties they reached success only within the Seattle area and the west coast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ady Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Previously Considered Artists The artists listed below have been nominated (but not inducted) or have consistently received several votes in the Nominating Committee or have been discussed but have never been nominated (through the 2007 Inductions). Artist - First Eligible The “5” Royales 1981 ABBA 1998 Afrika Bambaataa 2005 Albert King 1987 Alice Cooper 1994 The Average White Band 1998 The B-52's 2004 Bad Company 1999 Barry White 1998 Beastie Boys 2007 Ben E. King 1986 The Big Bopper 1983 Big Brother & the Holding Company 1992 Billy Ward & The Dominoes 1979 Blind Faith 1994 Blood Sweat & Tears 1993 The Blues Project 1991 Bobby Womack 1992 Boz Scaggs 1990 Canned Heat 1992 Captain Beefheart 1991 The Cars 2003 Cat Stevens 1991 Chaka Khan 2003 The Chantels 1983 Cheap Trick 2002 Chic 2002 Chicago 1994 Chuck Willis 1982 Cliff Richard & the Shadows 1985 The Commodores 1999 Conway Twitty 1984 Country Joe & the Fish 1992 The Crystals 1988 The Cure 2003 Darlene Love 1988 Deep Purple 1993 Def Leppard 2004 Depeche Mode 2006 Devo 2003 Dick Dale 1987 Donna Summer 1999 The Doobie Brothers 1996 Doug Sahm 1998 Dr. Hook 1996 Dr. John 1993 The E Street Band 1998 Electric Light Orchestra 1996 Emerson, Lake & Palmer 1995 Esther Phillips 1975 Eurythmics 2006 The Faces 1995 Fela 1996 The Five Keys 1976 The Five Satins 1981 The Flying Burrito Brothers 1994 The Gap Band 1999 Genesis 1993 Grace Jones 2000 Gram Parsons 1992 The Harptones 1978 Herman's Hermits 1990 The Hollies 1989 Hot Tuna 1995 Huey “Piano” Smith and the Clowns 1984 Iron Butterfly 1993 Iron Maiden 2004 The J. Geils Band 1995 Jack Scott 1980 The Jam 2002 Jeff Beck 1992 Jethro Tull 1993 Jimmy Cliff 1992 Joe Cocker 1994 Joe Tex 1990 Johnny Ace 1980 Johnny Burnette and the Rock N Roll Trio 1981 Johnny Hallyday 1985 Johnny Winter 1994 Judy Collins 1986 Junior Parker 1983 Junior Walker & the All-Stars 1990 Junior Wells 1990 KISS 1999 Kraftwerk 1996 The Last Poets 1995 Laura Nyro 1992 Lee Andrews & the Hearts 1979 Lee Dorsey 1986 Linda Ronstadt 1994 Little Anthony & the Imperials 1984 Lou Reed 1997 Love 1991 Manfred Mann 1988 The Marshall Tucker Band 1998 Mary Wells 1986 MC5 1991 Metallica 2007 The Meters 1994 Mick Jagger 1995 Mitch Ryder 1991 The Monkees 1991 The Moody Blues 1989 Neil Diamond 1988 Neil Sedaka 1984 New York Dolls 1998 Nick Drake 1994 Pat Boone 1980 Patsy Cline 1982 Paul Anka 1983 The Paul Butterfield Blues Band 1988 Peter Gabriel 2002 Peter Tosh 2001 Poco 1994 Procol Harum 1992 Randy Newman 1990 The Replacements 2006 Ringo Starr 1995 Roxy Music 1997 Rufus Thomas 1988 Ry Cooder 1995 Simple Minds 2004 Slim Harpo 1986 Sonny & Cher 1990 The Spencer Davis Group 1990 Steve Miller Band 1993 Steve Winwood 1996 The Stooges 1994 Sugarhill Gang 2004 T. Rex 1993 Teddy Pendergrass 2002 Ten Years After 1992 Three Dog Night 1994 Tim Hardin 1991 Tina Turner 1998 Todd Rundgren 1995 Tom Waits 1998 Tommy James & the Shondells 1991 Treacherous Three 2005 The Turtles 1990 Wanda Jackson 1983 War 1996 Yes 1994 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickZepp Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 Duh, I know that. I was going in the direction that the term "rock and roll" is used in general terms to cover all music although these people mentioned aren't actually "rock" singers. Hey, there are lots of R&B artists in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame too, so are you saying they don't deserve to be there either just because they don't sing "rock music"? R&B isn't that far from Blues and rock music. Which is the essence of rock and roll. There's a clear line from the blues musicians of the 30s and 40s to most of the music in the 60s and 70s. That line got blurred in pupular music by the 80s and 90s although there are some acts in the 2 decades that were rock and roll. There's a lot of acts that were. Michael Jackson's earlier stuff may be just enough to get him in the R&R hall of fame. But everything after Thriller really didn't do anything for me. All Madonna ever did was show-womanship. I don't think you can consider any of her music actually good or rock and roll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickZepp Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 You have to change the years on some of these since the R&RHOF didn't exist till 1987 I think(or was it 86?) But here's the acts I put in there some of these are just because they are too influential to be left off Albert King 1987 Alice Cooper 1994 Bad Company 1999 Barry White 1998 BeastieBoys 2007 Ben E. King 1986 The Big Bopper 1983 Blind Faith 1994 Blood Sweat & Tears 1993 Boz Scaggs 1990 Canned Heat 1992 The Cars 2003 Cheap Trick 2002 Chicago 1994 Chuck Willis 1982 The Commodores 1999 Conway Twitty 1984 - Probably closer to boarder line, but he just happened to go into country music. If Conway went into pop like a Neil Diamond he would have been idolized there. Deep Purple 1993 Depeche Mode 2006 Donna Summer 1999 The Doobie Brothers 1996 Electric Light Orchestra 1996 Emerson, Lake & Palmer 1995 Eurythmics 2006 The Faces 1995 Genesis 1993 The Hollies 1989 The J. Geils Band 1995 Jeff Beck 1992 Jethro Tull 1993 Joe Cocker 1994 Johnny Burnette and the Rock N Roll Trio 1981 Johnny Winter 1994 Lou Reed 1997 Love-Or Arthur Lee 1991 Manfred Mann 1988 Metallica 2007 The Moody Blues 1989 Neil Diamond 1988 New York Dolls 1998 Pat Boone 1980 Patsy Cline 1982 -Best voice in the history of music IMHO Peter Gabriel 2002 Procol Harum 1992 Rufus Thomas 1988 Simple Minds 2004 Sonny & Cher 1990 The Spencer Davis Group 1990 Steve Miller Band 1993 Steve Winwood 1996 The Stooges 1994 Sugarhill Gang 2004 T. Rex 1993 Three Dog Night 1994-Or just put in Hoyt Axton who wrote half their bigger songs. Tina Turner 1998 Todd Rundgren 1995 Tom Waits 1998 Tommy James & the Shondells 1991 The Turtles 1990 War 1996 Yes 1994 Here's a list of boarder line guys, their music may just not be good enough in my ears. ABBA 1998 - Abba should maybe be on the list just cause they've sold a billion records or whatever it is The B-52's 2004 Cat Stevens 1991 The Cure 2003 Def Leppard 2004 Herman's Hermits 1990 Iron Butterfly 1993 Iron Maiden 2004 KISS 1999 - I do think their music is better than people think, but they are seen more as an image band, so that hurts their music. The Marshall Tucker Band 1998 Randy Newman 1990 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmie ray Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 Always interesting to see the list of those not inducted. But some are offshoots of bands that were inducted, so that's understandable. Steve Winwood and Hot Tuna are my two favorite live acts to see regularly, but if Traffic and Jefferson Airplane are already inducted, I think that's adequate. Genesis, Jethro Tull, Yes, ELO, and Three Dog Night are some of the most suprising ones left out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danelectro Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 Duh, I know that. I was going in the direction that the term "rock and roll" is used in general terms to cover all music although these people mentioned aren't actually "rock" singers. Hey, there are lots of R&B artists in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame too, so are you saying they don't deserve to be there either just because they don't sing "rock music"? Yep. People tend to forget where rock and roll started. By comparison rock's pioneers sounds pretty tame compared to what the definition of rock has become. Madonna sounds like Hardcore compared to Bobby Darin singing something like Danke Schön. It's important to remember rock and roll covers a lot, A LOT, of ground. From Chubby Checker to today's Screamo bands, by definition it's all rock. I'm pretty sure Michael Jackson and Madonna fit in there somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanie_72 Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 Yep. People tend to forget where rock and roll started. By comparison rock's pioneers sounds pretty tame compared to what the definition of rock has become. Madonna sounds like Hardcore compared to Bobby Darin singing something like Danke Schön. It's important to remember rock and roll covers a lot, A LOT, of ground. From Chubby Checker to today's Screamo bands, by definition it's all rock. I'm pretty sure Michael Jackson and Madonna fit in there somewhere. I agree danelectro! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jahfin Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 ABBA 1998 - Abba should maybe be on the list just cause they've sold a billion records or whatever it is Abba have no doubt been influential but record sales don't figure into the criteria for induction into the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame. I still don't believe Madonna belongs in there. I understand why Wenner and company chose her but that doesn't mean I agree with it. Back in 2006 when I visited the Hall in Cleveland they had one of Britney's stage costumes on display as one of the exhibits so you can pretty much count on her being inducted once she's eligible. I'm sure some will argue that she belongs in there too (for many of the same reasons as Madonna) but I also don't agree with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUCK'EYE' DOC Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 Abba have no doubt been influential but record sales don't figure into the criteria for induction into the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame. I still don't believe Madonna belongs in there. I understand why Wenner and company chose her but that doesn't mean I agree with it. Back in 2006 when I visited the Hall in Cleveland they had one of Britney's stage costumes on display as one of the exhibits so you can pretty much count on her being inducted once she's eligible. I'm sure some will argue that she belongs in there too (for many of the same reasons as Madonna) but I also don't agree with it. Hi Jahfin, I was just at the Hall of Fame and no Brittney items in sight. Maybe they received too many complaints and removed them LOL. There is no way one can justify inducting her in the RRHOF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jahfin Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 Hi Jahfin, I was just at the Hall of Fame and no Brittney items in sight. Maybe they received too many complaints and removed them LOL. There is no way one can justify inducting her in the RRHOF. If Madonna got inducted then Britney's a shue in. Same vapid pop fluff without even a hint of "rock n' roll" in sight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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